$120 million investment to boost rail capacity at Port Botany

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 27 Nov 2018 12:49
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

The thing is that we have had to go to rail inter-modal and external container yards in Sydney because there really is no other choice. The container trains remove so many trucks from the roads in the east it isn't funny. If they weren't operating the east would be even more of a car park then it already is.

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  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
What is the length of the container trains in and out of Port Botany? Another thread says 2 x PL + 20 x 40foot wagons, which is about 24m + 20 x 13m = 24 + 20 x 13 = 320m.

Another way to look at this is the length of the sidings. Unfortunately the following diagrams are not to scale, and only some sidings have measurements. http://www.sa-trackandsignal.net/Pdf%20files/ARTC/AR292.pdf

Patrick 1 & 2          600m
Qube Sidings          445m
Cooks River Loop  638m
Botany Yard Arrival 2  ???m
Botany Yard Arrival 1     ???m
Botany Yard Departure 1 ???m
Botany Yard Departure 2 ???m
Page Street Loop              ???m
Cooks Loop                           638m
Cooks River Run Round    ???m
James Transport            ???m
Marrickville U&D           1118m
Enfield Linx Siding  960m
Chullora West Sidings   790m
Chullora Freight  650m
Leightonfield Loop                1285m
Leightonfield 1 Siding                   ???m
Glenfield Loop                 1850m
Moorebank Transit E&W                677m
Moorebank Simta Sidings             666m (end in traverser)
Minto Container                   ???m
Menangle Park Main Line Refuge ????m

The speeds at turnouts and sharp curves of 200m radius are also not known.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
What happened to using some of Newcastle's BHP land for container traffic?
Must be getting congested down there.
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I think there is a court case coming up somewhere this year about the legality of the penalty fee impost on the PoN if it handled too many containers on the basis of anticompetitive behaviour.
  Matthew Chief Train Controller

What happened to using some of Newcastle's BHP land for container traffic?
Must be getting congested down there.

I think there is a court case coming up somewhere this year about the legality of the penalty fee impost on the PoN if it handled too many containers on the basis of anticompetitive behaviour.
james.au
I think it's way more complicated than simple 'anticompetitive behaviour'. When the government sold off the port operations they promised the buyers certain 'protections'.
Like 'Newcastle is bulk commodities port', 'Port Botany is a container port' and this won't change.

Later, NCL sees the congestion at Botany AND sees the writing on the wall about bulk coal exports so wants to get into containers in a way bigger way. But then Botany sticks its hand up and says 'but we were promised.....'.

Meanwhile, a gaggle of barristers who specialise in commercial contract law put their orders in for new luxury cars or that new yacht they wanted, as they will be busy with work for a while.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Is there any hard stats available that investments in rail to the Port of Botany is leading to more freight moving by rail to the port or even increased use of the Port of Botany in overall volume.  By having a decent rail line to the port is leading to more business for the port.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

In and out of Port Botany the trains are not that long, maybe 600 metres and definitely no longer then 900m. The big long 1.5km+ trains normally go through Sydney or make quick stops at yards in Chullora, Enfield and eventually Moorebank.
  Cubologist Station Staff

In and out of Port Botany the trains are not that long, maybe 600 metres and definitely no longer then 900m. The big long 1.5km+ trains normally go through Sydney or make quick stops at yards in Chullora, Enfield and eventually Moorebank.
simstrain
Fletcher's train uses Port Botany 3 times a week and it's often up to 1.3km long
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
In and out of Port Botany the trains are not that long, maybe 600 metres and definitely no longer then 900m. The big long 1.5km+ trains normally go through Sydney or make quick stops at yards in Chullora, Enfield and eventually Moorebank.
simstrain

SSR 'definitely' had three 1000m plus long trains at Botany last Friday.

T170 = 1050m
8148 = 1280m
8146 = 1073m

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  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The thing is that we have had to go to rail inter-modal and external container yards in Sydney because there really is no other choice. The container trains remove so many trucks from the roads in the east it isn't funny. If they weren't operating the east would be even more of a car park then it already is.
simstrain

This needs some exploration and for the record I do agree with the comment.  Port of Melbourne sits adjacent the CBD and would if you apply the same logic have needed to go back to rail for access to the port years ago but that did not happen.  A liberal government took great delight in removing rail access from the port and introducing more and more trucks.  The current ALP (been in power for over 20 years) of the last 25 or thereabouts have done nothing to turn this around.  Instead of taking the best possible approach and making rail the primary approach to container delivery the ALP have decided to place more and more trucks on the road and build a west gate tunnel for 50,000 vehicles per day to enter the city area.

Rail is desperately needed  but can the current proposal do enough for rail movement at the port?

there are no arrival yards and departure yards left for the port as this was torn up for the west gate tunnel and the project does not include the Webb Dock area which has major growth.

knowing all of this why did the ALP agree to another toll road to Melbourne CBD area with 1,000's of trucks a day using the road into the centre of Melbourne area?  Makes no sense to me at all.

The Port will then up charges for trucks and make it costly for tolls and trucks to use the tunnel.

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