The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
theanimal
No error there. If I say "I could fall off a cliff" but I take precautions and I don't, where is the error in that? To say something could happen implies that it might not, especially if preventative action is taken.

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  theanimal Chief Commissioner

mm,,, not over yet.
michaelgm
I am happy to wait 2 years and see what people are scared of next.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
Graham4405
Just on this, if the restriction's weren't put in place, we may well have had a lot more death, look at the U.K, look at the U.S.A, they are just getting through the first wave of infections and over 80k are dead, expect them to get 2nd and 3rd waves of infection.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
The question I understand now being investigated is how did the returned person test positive significantly beyond their original quarantine? Clearly they didn't catch it from a contact, because they all showed negative, and fortunately, they didn't manage to pass it on to a contact either.

Here's hoping that their positive test was a 'false positive' from the lab, but that doesn't instill huge confidence in me anyway.
Did they enter the country in NSW and do their hotel quarantine there?

There were reports that people were released from hotel quarantine there after two weeks with only a temperature check (an IR check at that, not a core temperature with an actual thermometer) and not an actual test for the virus. NSW seems to be placing a lot of faith in temperature

If you contract the virus without developing symptoms, you don't run a temperature. Singapore went hard on the temperature checks instead of proper testing and look how things have turned out there.
justapassenger
I managed to speak with her today - you’re correct, NSW Health dropped the ball YET AGAIN!

Quarantined on arrival in NSW, released, and cleared for domestic flight to Adelaide, based solely on the ‘result’ of a forehead IR temperature reading at the conclusion of her quarantine period.

For a ‘health’ organisation, NSW Health look very pro-disease, I wonder if many of them support anti vaccine movements, it sure looks from the outside that they might.
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
For a ‘health’ organisation, NSW Health look very pro-disease, I wonder if many of them support anti vaccine movements, it sure looks from the outside that they might.
Aaron
"Do not ascribe to malice that which may be explained by incompetence."
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
theanimal
So what would you have done?

a) Nothing

b) Something else?  

If b) please enlighten us with your expert solution
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The 50,000 to 150,000 death toll estimate was based on a death rate of 1% and no action being taken to combat the threat. Since every country has taken some form of action, it becomes a prognosis that can’t be disproved (unless one has access to the TARDIS).

PS: Currently, with 6270 recovered and a death toll of 98, Australia’s death rate is 1.5%.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Months prior to the Ruby Princess becoming a major source of the virus various readiness drills and scenarios were performed on the issue that actually ended up taking place how could this have happened?
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Months prior to the Ruby Princess becoming a major source of the virus various readiness drills and scenarios were performed on the issue that actually ended up taking place how could this have happened?
"NSWGR8022"



Political interference?
  7334 Chief Commissioner

Location: In the workshop wondering why I started 7334 in the first place
Months prior to the Ruby Princess becoming a major source of the virus various readiness drills and scenarios were performed on the issue that actually ended up taking place how could this have happened?



Political interference?
michaelgm
More likely just a plain old stuff up on Australia's part.

The actions on the part of the Ruby Princess / Carnival Cruises are quite possibly another thing altogether.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

The question I understand now being investigated is how did the returned person test positive significantly beyond their original quarantine? Clearly they didn't catch it from a contact, because they all showed negative, and fortunately, they didn't manage to pass it on to a contact either.

Here's hoping that their positive test was a 'false positive' from the lab, but that doesn't instill huge confidence in me anyway.
Did they enter the country in NSW and do their hotel quarantine there?

There were reports that people were released from hotel quarantine there after two weeks with only a temperature check (an IR check at that, not a core temperature with an actual thermometer) and not an actual test for the virus. NSW seems to be placing a lot of faith in temperature

If you contract the virus without developing symptoms, you don't run a temperature. Singapore went hard on the temperature checks instead of proper testing and look how things have turned out there.
I managed to speak with her today - you’re correct, NSW Health dropped the ball YET AGAIN!

Quarantined on arrival in NSW, released, and cleared for domestic flight to Adelaide, based solely on the ‘result’ of a forehead IR temperature reading at the conclusion of her quarantine period.

For a ‘health’ organisation, NSW Health look very pro-disease, I wonder if many of them support anti vaccine movements, it sure looks from the outside that they might.
Aaron
From the way that the NSW government is going so quickly with opening up everything, it looks like they have decided to give NSW Health a second chance.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
So what would you have done?

a) Nothing

b) Something else?  

If b) please enlighten us with your expert solution
bingley hall
i have continued to live my life, as i walk i see people without all of the protection that the "experts" seem to feel is necessary. I see them on a regular basis and geuss what? no one infected.

go to the local shops, no one with masks, the coffee shop - chicken shop - post office - pie shop - grog shop not wiping counters between custoners - no infections.

Talk to old mates in train crewing, drivers guards and station assistants no one has caught corona, even though they are carrying a mix of people from different cultures.

Went to the Dentist on Monday for a $510 extraction that hurt like hell. Dentist on one side, nurse on the other side with the vacuum, breaching the 1.5 metres, asked them, no one they know has been infected.

Went and bought fuel, funnily enough no one raced out to wipe the pump - where is the list of people infected by fuel pumps?

this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.

As a sociopath i am more than happy to practise social distancing, but this is redicilious. Unless we restart the economy where will we be?

I lost my job in march because of Covid, so retired again and am living on my super. There are thousands who do not have that ability.

We need to think what is the greater good for the greatest number.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
So what would you have done?

a) Nothing

b) Something else?  

If b) please enlighten us with your expert solution
i have continued to live my life, as i walk i see people without all of the protection that the "experts" seem to feel is necessary. I see them on a regular basis and geuss what? no one infected.

go to the local shops, no one with masks, the coffee shop - chicken shop - post office - pie shop - grog shop not wiping counters between custoners - no infections.

Talk to old mates in train crewing, drivers guards and station assistants no one has caught corona, even though they are carrying a mix of people from different cultures.

Went to the Dentist on Monday for a $510 extraction that hurt like hell. Dentist on one side, nurse on the other side with the vacuum, breaching the 1.5 metres, asked them, no one they know has been infected.

Went and bought fuel, funnily enough no one raced out to wipe the pump - where is the list of people infected by fuel pumps?

this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.

As a sociopath i am more than happy to practise social distancing, but this is redicilious. Unless we restart the economy where will we be?

I lost my job in march because of Covid, so retired again and am living on my super. There are thousands who do not have that ability.

We need to think what is the greater good for the greatest number.
theanimal
So,

You go to the doctors because you have a chest infection and he gives you a course of antibiotics that are meant to last for 10 days....but you feel better after 5 days.... you're not 'infected' anymore so you throw the rest of the tablets in the bin. Do you?

You go skydiving, freefalling from a great height but you know that you have to do something sooner or later to avoid death, so you pull the ripcord and deploy the parachute....you are now floating gently back to earth, completely under control....now you're only 500 feet above the ground, still totally in control of the situation....you are safe, so is this when you get rid of your parachute? Is it?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.
theanimal

Y2K was potentially very real if your chosen software couldn't handle it. Well before Y2K the software we ran at work had a major meltdown when we hit a leap year, producing non-sensical data. The company that wrote it had gone out of business and I had to do a quick re-write of the date calculation routines and recompile every program that used them. If something seemingly simple like an extra day in a year can create havoc, imagine what suddenly going backwards by 100 year can do if the software doesn't understand it.

Anyway, as IT Manager I used Y2K as leverage to replace my employer's ageing fleet of PCs with some up to date ones. Had to get the tightwad management to spend some money somehow!
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.

Y2K was potentially very real if your chosen software couldn't handle it. Well before Y2K the software we ran at work had a major meltdown when we hit a leap year, producing non-sensical data. The company that wrote it had gone out of business and I had to do a quick re-write of the date calculation routines and recompile every program that used them. If something seemingly simple like an extra day in a year can create havoc, imagine what suddenly going backwards by 100 year can do if the software doesn't understand it.

Anyway, as IT Manager I used Y2K as leverage to replace my employer's ageing fleet of PCs with some up to date ones. Had to get the tightwad management to spend some money somehow!
Graham4405


So you admit that Y2K was a massive con, all we got was a ladder in casev the lift stopped working and a torch.

As i said earlier, lets wait 2 years and see what new chimera the illiterati have found in their constant wish to be afraid and scared.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
So what would you have done?

a) Nothing

b) Something else?  

If b) please enlighten us with your expert solution
i have continued to live my life, as i walk i see people without all of the protection that the "experts" seem to feel is necessary. I see them on a regular basis and geuss what? no one infected.

go to the local shops, no one with masks, the coffee shop - chicken shop - post office - pie shop - grog shop not wiping counters between custoners - no infections.

Talk to old mates in train crewing, drivers guards and station assistants no one has caught corona, even though they are carrying a mix of people from different cultures.

Went to the Dentist on Monday for a $510 extraction that hurt like hell. Dentist on one side, nurse on the other side with the vacuum, breaching the 1.5 metres, asked them, no one they know has been infected.

Went and bought fuel, funnily enough no one raced out to wipe the pump - where is the list of people infected by fuel pumps?

this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.

As a sociopath i am more than happy to practise social distancing, but this is redicilious. Unless we restart the economy where will we be?

I lost my job in march because of Covid, so retired again and am living on my super. There are thousands who do not have that ability.

We need to think what is the greater good for the greatest number.
So,

You go to the doctors because you have a chest infection and he gives you a course of antibiotics that are meant to last for 10 days....but you feel better after 5 days.... you're not 'infected' anymore so you throw the rest of the tablets in the bin. Do you?

You go skydiving, freefalling from a great height but you know that you have to do something sooner or later to avoid death, so you pull the ripcord and deploy the parachute....you are now floating gently back to earth, completely under control....now you're only 500 feet above the ground, still totally in control of the situation....you are safe, so is this when you get rid of your parachute? Is it?
DirtyBallast
So what is your solution ?

live your life or cower in fear?

How can we have faith in anything that is being applied in such an arbitary way? for example in NSW you could not go camping in a forest, but it is ok to go to whatever shops were open? this is a single example and all states mirror such examples.

The labor controlled states insisted that all gun shops close? why? what was the logic in that?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
So you admit that Y2K was a massive con
theanimal
Not at all, it was a very real threat if the software you (as a business, government department, whatever) were relying on couldn't be certified as compliant. Many organisations were likely running software provided by companies that were no longer in business, thus unable to certify their software. Then it was either "suck it and see" or invest in certified compliant software. The BIOS in many PCs was suspect for compliance too.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

We’re not being alarmed; we’re being alert. Doing what’s necessary to deal with the problem.

In New York City there will be people dying unnecessarily from the traditional illnesses and injuries, such as heart attack or gunshot wound, because the health system is overwhelmed, eg ambulance not attending quickly enough or doctor not available.

On the plus side here, there will probably be less deaths from flu and car crashes, although there will probably be an increase in hospitalisations with injuries such as DIYers falling off ladders and born-again cyclists.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
here is a report that quotes our experts extensively. as at today we are 149,903  short of their predictions. A pox on  them and their claims.
That report is from 2 months ago. IIRC that was before ANY restrictions were put in place. To me this says that the restrictions put in place have proved to be a wise precaution that has worked well in the main. The most important thing has been keeping the health services ahead of the game. As restrictions are gradually eased we may well see an increase in infections and deaths, however we may well have prevented many, many more.
waiting for them to admit their error and issue a new forecast.
So what would you have done?

a) Nothing

b) Something else?  

If b) please enlighten us with your expert solution
i have continued to live my life, as i walk i see people without all of the protection that the "experts" seem to feel is necessary. I see them on a regular basis and geuss what? no one infected.

go to the local shops, no one with masks, the coffee shop - chicken shop - post office - pie shop - grog shop not wiping counters between custoners - no infections.

Talk to old mates in train crewing, drivers guards and station assistants no one has caught corona, even though they are carrying a mix of people from different cultures.

Went to the Dentist on Monday for a $510 extraction that hurt like hell. Dentist on one side, nurse on the other side with the vacuum, breaching the 1.5 metres, asked them, no one they know has been infected.

Went and bought fuel, funnily enough no one raced out to wipe the pump - where is the list of people infected by fuel pumps?

this is starting to look like the Y2K panic.

As a sociopath i am more than happy to practise social distancing, but this is redicilious. Unless we restart the economy where will we be?

I lost my job in march because of Covid, so retired again and am living on my super. There are thousands who do not have that ability.

We need to think what is the greater good for the greatest number.
So,

You go to the doctors because you have a chest infection and he gives you a course of antibiotics that are meant to last for 10 days....but you feel better after 5 days.... you're not 'infected' anymore so you throw the rest of the tablets in the bin. Do you?

You go skydiving, freefalling from a great height but you know that you have to do something sooner or later to avoid death, so you pull the ripcord and deploy the parachute....you are now floating gently back to earth, completely under control....now you're only 500 feet above the ground, still totally in control of the situation....you are safe, so is this when you get rid of your parachute? Is it?
So what is your solution ?

live your life or cower in fear?

How can we have faith in anything that is being applied in such an arbitary way? for example in NSW you could not go camping in a forest, but it is ok to go to whatever shops were open? this is a single example and all states mirror such examples.

The labor controlled states insisted that all gun shops close? why? what was the logic in that?
theanimal
If we didn't do what we did, I.E have a partial lockdown, there would have been a lot more death, it's only because the Morrison Govt took the action that it took that we have avoided a lot more people getting sick.

All one had to do was look overseas and look at the damage that it is doing over there. (Edit), I really do feel for all the people that have lost their Jobs, but seriously, we had no idea how bad it was going to be out here, I believe that we will not get a 2nd wave of infections, as I think it is well in check now, spot fires as it were, will continue to pop up however.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
The labor controlled states insisted that all gun shops close? why? what was the logic in that?
theanimal
Please tell me why it is so important for anyone to go out and buy a gun during a pandemic!!!!!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Please tell me why it is so important for anyone to go out and buy a gun during a pandemic!!!!!
"DirtyBallast"
Please tell me why it is so important for anyone to go out and buy a gun!
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Well, due to the lock down, the small penis brigade,  after spending many days looking at the pictures and admiring the symbols of their manliness in their gun magazines, started to tire of standing in front of a mirror naked with their great big weapon in their hands, especially when there wasn't much to hide on the endowment side. And being really original, to go and do what Larry and his brother Darryl and his other brother darryl, and Cletus and their fellow banjo players did in Michigan. The authorities probably thought, by banning ammunition sales, there would be less risk of a member of the small penis brigade from shooting either one of themselves or an innocent member of the public  whilst they were masturbating over the size of the weapon of the bloke standing next to them. Or to save themselves from total embarrassment of being on TV whilst giving fellatio to one of their small bore warriors.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Just home from a few days doing my thing and living my life. Thursday 14/5 i drove to Westmead  Hospital to pick up a mates widow after surgery, got a card from the machine in the parking lot,  the horror, no one immediately raced out to cover the machine in chemicals designed to ensure my safety.

drove around to the parking lot, no social isolation here, parked in a spot  with a vacant slot each side. As i went to open my door, a people mover pulled in and as i got out it divulged 6 people ranging from granny to a cachophany of children, who pushed past me. Convinced by now that if i was a carrier i had condemned the family to a slow lingering death, or if they were germ ridden my life was running away like the sands of time.

Enquiring about my friend I was directed to another floor where i signed forms resting on a bench that was not wiped, before - during or after my time there. My friend had had major abdominal surgery and was unsure of her ability to walk to the car, so when we got to the foyer i placed her into a chair that did not look like it had been disinfected since the Great Fire of London. I asked the staff on duty for a wheelchair to assist. I was directed to a collection in a corner, no sign of hand sanitiser or hand wipes, even Woolies has these.

Got my friend into the car, took the wheelchair back and was told to place it into the collection.

Drove my friend home, helped her inside, then went to get fuel, again no one cleaned the pump. Paid using 2 X$50 notes across the dirty counter. Reciept and change placed directly into my hand.

Stopped at Lithgow to use a public toilet, not a pretty picture their either. No Soap, no towels, certainly no smell of lemon scented disinfectent.

Drove to a property between Bathurst and Orange and met up with a mate, we camped there for 2 nights. Him in the shack, me under the stars where i worried mightily about the risk of catching from the Koalas that are there, knowing their prediliction for Chlamydia, i suppose only time will tell me whether I have crossed a barrier.

The reason I was there was to start "shooting in " my new rifle that has been languishing in my gun safe since the start of the scare. There have already been a few comments on  guns here, but suffice to say I am a hunter and this particular ruifle in 9.3X62mm caliber is for a buffalo shooting trip in 2021 and hopefully for camels the year after.

on Saturday (today) i drove through Orange and had a cup of tea with my 91 year old mum and sister before going to georges plains to look at the new loop before driving back to the Riff.


So let us see if i am struck down by the dreaded bug.
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
@theanimal, it's more than likely that you won't catch the dreaded bug, now that we seem to have it firmly in check out here, I agree with you, the risk now of catching it is very low.  (Edit) but in saying this, people must still exercise caution, I.E Social Distancing and the like, because one thing we really can't afford, is another wave (I doubt we will get that by the way, I'm just saying...)
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

@theanimal, it's more than likely that you won't catch the dreaded bug, now that we seem to have it firmly in check out here, I agree with you, the risk now of catching it is very low.  (Edit) but in saying this, people must still exercise caution, I.E Social Distancing and the like, because one thing we really can't afford, is another wave (I doubt we will get that by the way, I'm just saying...)
lsrailfan
And just for the record, i will NEVER download the tracking app.

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