delux Beginner

What happens to the tammies if they lose their car licence? Do they lose their job too?

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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
What happens to the tammies if they lose their car licence? Do they lose their job too?
delux
IF they can't be usefully employed elsewhere in the business for the period of licence suspension, then more than likely yes, they would.

I've worked with a few Driver's who've lost their licence before, and between a combination of being rostered to Terminal or Yard-only duties and leave taken, were able to see out their suspension without a need to drive on a public roadway, so it would really be on a case-by-case basis.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Well explained.  It's quite hard to get a job with public transport nowadays but once you get into it it's quite hard to lose it.  Anyway, trams have many more rules than cars and tram drivers see many more potential accidents than motorists who only drive for commuting.  It would be quite rare that a tram driver violates enough road rules to lose his / her car license.
  Matthew Chief Train Controller

Well explained.  It's quite hard to get a job with public transport nowadays but once you get into it it's quite hard to lose it.  Anyway, trams have many more rules than cars and tram drivers see many more potential accidents than motorists who only drive for commuting.  It would be quite rare that a tram driver violates enough road rules to lose his / her car license.
route14

It's easy to lose your job with Yarra, just post something stupid on social media (that can be traced to you), critical of passengers or management. Smile

I don't believe there is a legal requirement for a tram driver to have a car license, it's just a 'local' rule by the operator, and one that came about after the police tried to book a tram driver for speeding and found he didn't have a drivers license.
Shortly after that, it was made a requirement to have a car license first. However, drivers already on the road without car licenses were allowed to stay on the road.
They are probably all retired or otherwise decided to leave the job by now.

Really a car drivers license shouldn't be required - all rules for the safe operation of the tram should be part of the tram drivers training. Really they will be asking that prospective drivers have car driving license so they can be called into work at unsociable hours, not because they think it makes people better tram drivers.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I don't believe there is a legal requirement for a tram driver to have a car license, it's just a 'local' rule by the operator, and one that came about after the police tried to book a tram driver for speeding and found he didn't have a drivers license.
Shortly after that, it was made a requirement to have a car license first. However, drivers already on the road without car licenses were allowed to stay on the road.
Matthew
It wouldn't be for road rules, but for the same reason as heavy rail, if you need to get relieved somewhere out of course, or effect relief in an out-of-the-way spot yourself, you'll need to drive to get there. Or take a taxi which some companies offer depending on shift limits.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

It might be a local rule by the road authorities, not by the operator.  Tram drivers who joint before 1984 are not required to have a car license.  In fact, you can still join Yarra Trams with just a motorcycle license today.  At old Preston they used trams as transport cars for relief on route 11 (and passengers were allowed to travel on them).  When there was a tram shortage with the withdrawl of W class trams early this century, relief drivers were made to drive a company car or van to and from Thornbury instead.  However when the relief and/or the relieved driver is a senior driver without car license, or a driver on motorcycle license only, the transport car had to be a tram, and they tend to run them SPECIAL instead of with passengers.
    Social media is a novelty and what employees do on them tend to be quite sensitive.  Before their emergence there was a driver who did a lot of safety-related irrational things over a period of one decade.  The management later decided not to let him drive anymore, but still kept him employed as a CSE.  He was quite nice to me and we don't have personal conflicts, so I won't go into any details of the incidents.
  delux Beginner

Thanks for your answers everyone.
My son wants to become a tram driver but he is still quite young and pushes the limit sometimes with his licence.
Since it was stated that they usually lose their employment also, I’ll be encouraging him to get a different job until he matures a bit and respects his licence more.
Thanks.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Or maybe let him become a tram driver and if he treasures the job enough, he won't be pushing the limits with the car license.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

A search on Whirpool found that you now need 2 years experience on a full car license to be eligible for a tram driver's position, harsher than when the requirement was introduced in 1984, which just required a full license.  In 2005 when I phoned up Skilled Engineering which was the recruitment contractor for tram drivers, the guy clearly replied that P platers could apply.  However, today a position opening appeared on YT's website for a part time driver at Preston.  It didn't mention anything about car license.  It's unlikely that someone without a license is allowed to apply so I assume it's just the HR officer forgot to include it, but does anyone have any idea whether the requirement will ever be loosened to a fresh full license or even a P plater?  Thanks.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
There aren't many organisations that employ drivers to operate heavy vehicles on the open road that will employ you if you don't have at least a couple of years on the road under your belt.

I don't see why driving trams on the open road should be any different.

If you can't master a Corolla in the outer suburbs, I don't think you should be driving a crush load E class down Bourke St.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

There seems to be inconsistency with each job opening.  Most times they require 2 years experience ON full license.  Sometimes it seems to interprete as 2 years of experience AND a full license.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

There seems to be inconsistency with each job opening.  Most times they require 2 years experience ON full license.  Sometimes it seems to interprete as 2 years of experience AND a full license.
route14
For an alternative angle, could it be possible that there is no real requirement but it is simply used by the company as an easy method of filtering out a whole lot of applicants and get the numbers down to a manageable level? Driver's licence status is not a protected characteristic under either federal or state anti-discrimination law, and Yarra Trams would easily be able to get themselves an exemption even it was.

Mutual Obligation is currently suspended in Victoria, so you can bet that there will be a hell of a lot fewer applications being put in by people who are completely uninterested in working. Reduce the number of low quality applicants flooding the system and you reduce the need for organisations to use automated tools (like licence verification) to cull the field.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Has it become such a popular job?  What's all the stories on driver shortage that we keep hearing about?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I'd suggest that is down to:
a) a shortage of suitable applicants (see previous comments regarding people applying for jobs just to satisfy Mutual Obligation)
b) an inability to get new drivers into the system fast enough to replace those leaving
c) or a combination of both
  route14 Chief Commissioner

People use Yarra Trams to satisfy Mutual Obligation?  Ridiculous.  Doesn't Centrelink or whichever organization provide referral to employers for which they are more suitable?  
    I left Melbourne in 2005 about one months short of the minimum holding period of Learner's permit for another job overseas, but I always believed that whenever I wanted, I could still spend 3 months on L plate, get tested and apply, which WAS the case in 2005.  Now things start to get tricky.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

People use Yarra Trams to satisfy Mutual Obligation?  Ridiculous.  Doesn't Centrelink or whichever organization provide referral to employers for which they are more suitable?  
route14
You can bet they do.

Even companies advertising for professional positions will get JobSeeker Payment recipients sending in their badly formatted resumes if they are dumb enough to advertise publicly and not use a application software which can verify qualifications.

The vast majority of people on JobSeeker Payment don't get referrals to employers from their Employment Services Provider. If they do, that is in addition to the minimum 20 job searches per month they have to do themselves.

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