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Topic moved from The Lounge by bevans on 17 Feb 2022 13:11
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud

Meanwhile "President" Biden has already been throwing his weight around in the sphere of foreign affairs, telling the UK that they'll have to do as they're told when he's in the White House - Spiked:
Isn't it amazing this stuff doesn't get into the mainstream media in Australia. Perhaps it will filter down to Sky News...that bastion for extreme right wingers, but no one else takes this conspiracy theory stuff seriously.

For the record I had no input into this thread before the US election because it was all speculation and I have enough to do whilst working from home without speculating about who, what, where or when. However now the US election is a done deal....I'll happily kick the incumbent whilst he's down as he has happily done during his disasterous four years as 'leader' of the free world.

Meanwhile Trump does squat Exclamation

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/one-in-every-400-americans-test-positive-to-covid-19-in-a-week-20201115-p56er2.html

Perhaps it's best you put your mask back on...I hear it's broken out over there again.

Mike.Isn't it amazing this stuff doesn't get into the mainstream media in Australia. Perhaps it will filter down to Sky News...that bastion for extreme right wingers, but no one else takes this conspiracy theory stuff seriously.

I concur. Now people are taking what Spiked says as Gospel.

Good Lord!

Michael
mejhammers1
So is what Biden said about the EU/Britain trade deal and the hard border between them and Ireland true or untrue?

Simple question.

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  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

....where I actually said that I loved Donald Trump.
don_dunstan
...because all your posts are pro-Trump.

You are continually supporting buffoon. Go to any previous US President in his last term whether they won election or not and show me staff who resigned or fired between the election and transfer of power 2 mth later.

Biden as ex VP and Presidential Elect is entitled to certain information for which Trump has refused or stopped. Other's have had to get involved to by-pass the President. A tradition / practice that has been in place for a century. Hell early on when Trump found out about this is tried to stop Obama and Clinton from getting this.

Again today he says Biden won only because he rigged the election. I think its safe to say that at no time during the next 2mth or in the future will Trump ever admit he lost the election fair and square and I doubt even concede defeat. Seriously this guy is making the likes of Tony Abbot and Malcom Turnbull behavior look like professionals. Every day there is just one more reason why he should be removed ASAP and the VP take over for the remaining period to mid Jan.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
While we're at it, I'm still waiting for a link to where I actually said that I loved Donald Trump. You promised, remember?
don_dunstan
I don't mind your usual rubbish, but I draw the line when you tell lies. I promised nothing, which you know perfectly well. I won't answer your customary outraged reply, because it will be the usual illogical crap. It's already been suggested that you should seek professional help and I concur 100%.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
While we're at it, I'm still waiting for a link to where I actually said that I loved Donald Trump. You promised, remember?
I don't mind your usual rubbish, but I draw the line when you tell lies. I promised nothing, which you know perfectly well. I won't answer your customary outraged reply, because it will be the usual illogical crap. It's already been suggested that you should seek professional help and I concur 100%.
Valvegear
"Seek professional help" - LOL, you along with the rest of the echo chamber here think I'm crazy because I've always demanded fair treatment of Trump? Now THAT'S delusional.
...because all your posts are pro-Trump.
RTT_Rules
No, they're not. All I've ever demanded is fair treatment of Trump - nothing more, nothing less. You people all get terminally confused on that point because you're getting mixed up between supporting someone and demanding that they're treated fairly.

All I've ever said is that I don't understand that hatred that's been generated for Trump and you have to look at what he does on its merits - he's really no different to any other former President - and there's been plenty of good things generated by his Presidency that none of you will acknowledge because you're so irrationally blinded by your hated of him.

And still nobody here will take on my observations about Biden because you all refuse to acknowledge that Mister Magoo will be 'business as usual'. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts a new war within 12 months of being in office.

And you'll all still be here saying "well at least he's not Trump".
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
IN the United States it's going the other way, epitomized by the fact that there's been dead voters as old as 170 year-olds in Michigan and Pennsylvania who have been recorded voting in this election, 11,000 dead folks in Michigan casting their votes alone. The dead have risen from the grave and have been voting for Joe Biden! How apt.

If you read that BBC article it's very complicated and its still likely that there was some ballots cast on behalf of dead people but obviously it's not 11,000.

Make up your mind, have dead people cast votes or not? Actually it's not complicated at all, it is physically impossible for a dead person to cast a vote. As suggested above, you may benefit from seeking the help of a mental health professional.
Not physically impossible at all - they send out a ballot to someone who is deceased and someone returns it with your fake signature (which isn't checked anyway).

Maybe not 11,000 dead people voting but certainly there will be some dead people votes in there.
don_dunstan
Your two posts still contradict each other. And, yes, it is physically impossible for a dead person to vote. If somebody else votes on behalf of a dead person which I assume is not permissible in law, the dead person still has NOT voted. You said dead folks had cast votes. Make up your mind.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
IN the United States it's going the other way, epitomized by the fact that there's been dead voters as old as 170 year-olds in Michigan and Pennsylvania who have been recorded voting in this election, 11,000 dead folks in Michigan casting their votes alone. The dead have risen from the grave and have been voting for Joe Biden! How apt.

If you read that BBC article it's very complicated and its still likely that there was some ballots cast on behalf of dead people but obviously it's not 11,000.

Make up your mind, have dead people cast votes or not? Actually it's not complicated at all, it is physically impossible for a dead person to cast a vote. As suggested above, you may benefit from seeking the help of a mental health professional.
Graham4405
Make up your mind, have dead people cast votes or not?

Don't be surprised. I have never come across anyone who loves to argue with himself so much.


Michael
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
...because all your posts are pro-Trump.
No, they're not. All I've ever demanded is fair treatment of Trump - nothing more, nothing less. You people all get terminally confused on that point because you're getting mixed up between supporting someone and demanding that they're treated fairly.

All I've ever said is that I don't understand that hatred that's been generated for Trump and you have to look at what he does on its merits - he's really no different to any other former President - and there's been plenty of good things generated by his Presidency that none of you will acknowledge because you're so irrationally blinded by your hated of him.

And still nobody here will take on my observations about Biden because you all refuse to acknowledge that Mister Magoo will be 'business as usual'. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts a new war within 12 months of being in office.

And you'll all still be here saying "well at least he's not Trump".
don_dunstan
Don,
He has a long history of claiming everything he doesn't like is fake news, now he's claiming the election is a fraud etc etc and last night even more waffle and rubbish claims. Even his support base in the inner circle is starting to break up.

He will be treated fairly when he acts accordingly, like any other President and until then nothing will change and no one expects him to change.

I think you will find most people didn't hate Trump, Trump has a way of encouraging you to hate him.

The Good that he has achieved has been overwhelming lost amongst his on going foot in mouth screw ups including calling the election a fraud and telling Biden cannot claim victory, but at the same time claiming victory himself when at least Biden had more votes at the time.

What Biden does or doesn't do will be judged in good time based on his performance, just like Trump.

I think most people are quite happy with "well at least he's not Trump".
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Shane, why are you the only person on the planet who spells Bidens name with two d's...but I digress...

Trump could have salvaged something...perhaps a little dignity after his disgraceful behaviour in inciting, then pretending not to know of the right wing violence initiators the Fascist 'Proud Boys' and he could have easily called a halt to the protests in DC yesterday, particularly as he was out there soaking up the adulation from his misguided and conned supporters which only added to the conflict and animosity between the Trumpers as they are now being called and the Democrat supporters.

He could have told everyone to go home.

But not a word of it.

If that doesn't put an end to this ridiculous nonsense that's Trump's terrible legacy as the despicable, accidental President and his unworthiness to be described as a decent human being...nothing will and from my perspective good riddance to bad rubbish Exclamation

Mike.
You've got it the wrong way around, President-elect Joe Biden should have told his supporters not to go anywhere near the protests. Instead he hasn't said a thing.

"A time for healing" is just meaningless rubbish in the same league as "Yes, we can!" and "Change you can believe in".
don_dunstan

If you spent less time looking at vague conspiracy theory sites and more time digesting real news, you'd have learned that the Black Lives Matter protesters...strangely enough for the most part Democrat supporters were staging an ongoing peaceful protest in front of the White House for a number of weeks and the Trumpists took it upon themselves to storm through the protest.

Moreover as President-elect Biden wasn't in the midst of the crowds soaking up the adulation, he was in Delaware, 90 miles away, he wasn't in a position to call off the protesters.

Clearly if common sense had prevailed, Trump being in the middle of the adulation could have dispersed the crowds. He did nothing.

Moreover, you are having a lend on the rest of us who have enough sense to realise Biden's ahead by around 6,000,000 votes and Trumps feeble legal challenges are being dismissed as soon as they are presented, Pennsylvania being the latest and as you know yourself, being contrary will always get you a response.

The latest Trump bad news:

https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-america/trump-campaign-drops-key-claim-in-pennsylvania-ballot-challenge-20201116-p56f1u.html

I'll not be commenting any further regards your off-beat comments as I've already said enough and the anti-Trump evidence as conveyed by the mainstream media speaks for itself.

Mike.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
This dead voter story isn't going very well. That fool on Fox rushed to his mic and blabbered the whole story of dead voters like a proud, excited child, before being presented with the truth, then claiming that he was a good honest man, always ready to admit when he is wrong. Maybe he should have checked his facts a bit better beforehand? Trump certainly has the right to challenge the results if he has proof of wrongdoing, but the more this drags on, the more it seems like sour grapes. I, for one, think Mr. Trump is correct to exercise his rights, but the correctly, manly thing to do would be hold his position, be calm and shut his mouth for a bit. Than gracefully accept the judge's decision. And where is this 11,000 number coming from? Sorry Don, but your calim of this number, and your sneaky, sneaky attempt to disassociate yourself from that claim looks ppoor form. Michael correctly pointed out your contradiction. Why don't you just man up yourself and admit you were wrong, that the whole thing is a space story?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
This dead voter story isn't going very well. That fool on Fox rushed to his mic and blabbered the whole story of dead voters like a proud, excited child, before being presented with the truth, then claiming that he was a good honest man, always ready to admit when he is wrong. Maybe he should have checked his facts a bit better beforehand? Trump certainly has the right to challenge the results if he has proof of wrongdoing, but the more this drags on, the more it seems like sour grapes. I, for one, think Mr. Trump is correct to exercise his rights, but the correctly, manly thing to do would be hold his position, be calm and shut his mouth for a bit. Than gracefully accept the judge's decision. And where is this 11,000 number coming from? Sorry Don, but your calim of this number, and your sneaky, sneaky attempt to disassociate yourself from that claim looks ppoor form. Michael correctly pointed out your contradiction. Why don't you just man up yourself and admit you were wrong, that the whole thing is a space story?
billybaxter
Yup he has every right to wait for the final call, but as usual his mouth and his immaturity for the role that sets him apart.

He could have said something along the lines, "Congratulations to Me Biden for a hard election campaign, however at this time my team and I have decided to wait for the election count to be concluded including any legal challenges if and where we think the election may have been compromised become commenting on whether or not Mr Biden is the next President"
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Let's face it, there will be no Trump 2020, only Biden 2020!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Yup he has every right to wait for the final call, but as usual his mouth and his immaturity for the role that sets him apart.
RTT_Rules
And now his lack of patience too, he gave up on waiting and conceded on Twitter last night.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
Moreover as President-elect Biden wasn't in the midst of the crowds soaking up the adulation, he was in Delaware, 90 miles away, he wasn't in a position to call off the protesters.

Clearly if common sense had prevailed, Trump being in the middle of the adulation could have dispersed the crowds. He did nothing.
The Vinelander
OF course Biden was in a position to call off the counter-protests - but instead he said nothing. If he really believed in his own line about 'a time to heal' he would have specifically said to his supporters to not go anywhere near those protesters because he didn't want to be associated with any violence in any way. He had a golden opportunity to reach out to Trump and prove that he was better than that partisan stuff but instead just kept mum.

And you're doing what everyone else has done and said that for some reason it was incumbent on Trump to prevent the violence coming from the counter-protesters. According to you (and everyone else) he's no longer President anyway - so how does he do that?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
This dead voter story isn't going very well. That fool on Fox rushed to his mic and blabbered the whole story of dead voters like a proud, excited child, before being presented with the truth, then claiming that he was a good honest man, always ready to admit when he is wrong. Maybe he should have checked his facts a bit better beforehand? Trump certainly has the right to challenge the results if he has proof of wrongdoing, but the more this drags on, the more it seems like sour grapes. I, for one, think Mr. Trump is correct to exercise his rights, but the correctly, manly thing to do would be hold his position, be calm and shut his mouth for a bit. Than gracefully accept the judge's decision. And where is this 11,000 number coming from? Sorry Don, but your calim of this number, and your sneaky, sneaky attempt to disassociate yourself from that claim looks ppoor form. Michael correctly pointed out your contradiction. Why don't you just man up yourself and admit you were wrong, that the whole thing is a space story?
Yup he has every right to wait for the final call, but as usual his mouth and his immaturity for the role that sets him apart.

He could have said something along the lines, "Congratulations to Me Biden for a hard election campaign, however at this time my team and I have decided to wait for the election count to be concluded including any legal challenges if and where we think the election may have been compromised become commenting on whether or not Mr Biden is the next President"
RTT_Rules
Again, another good post from you - this is exactly what he should have said.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
This dead voter story isn't going very well. That fool on Fox rushed to his mic and blabbered the whole story of dead voters like a proud, excited child, before being presented with the truth, then claiming that he was a good honest man, always ready to admit when he is wrong. Maybe he should have checked his facts a bit better beforehand? Trump certainly has the right to challenge the results if he has proof of wrongdoing, but the more this drags on, the more it seems like sour grapes. I, for one, think Mr. Trump is correct to exercise his rights, but the correctly, manly thing to do would be hold his position, be calm and shut his mouth for a bit. Than gracefully accept the judge's decision. And where is this 11,000 number coming from? Sorry Don, but your calim of this number, and your sneaky, sneaky attempt to disassociate yourself from that claim looks ppoor form. Michael correctly pointed out your contradiction. Why don't you just man up yourself and admit you were wrong, that the whole thing is a space story?
billybaxter
Alright it was wrong, I should have looked at it more closely.

Happy?
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
...because all your posts are pro-Trump.
No, they're not. All I've ever demanded is fair treatment of Trump - nothing more, nothing less. You people all get terminally confused on that point because you're getting mixed up between supporting someone and demanding that they're treated fairly.

All I've ever said is that I don't understand that hatred that's been generated for Trump and you have to look at what he does on its merits - he's really no different to any other former President - and there's been plenty of good things generated by his Presidency that none of you will acknowledge because you're so irrationally blinded by your hated of him.

And still nobody here will take on my observations about Biden because you all refuse to acknowledge that Mister Magoo will be 'business as usual'. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he starts a new war within 12 months of being in office.

And you'll all still be here saying "well at least he's not Trump".
Don,
He has a long history of claiming everything he doesn't like is fake news, now he's claiming the election is a fraud etc etc and last night even more waffle and rubbish claims. Even his support base in the inner circle is starting to break up.

He will be treated fairly when he acts accordingly, like any other President and until then nothing will change and no one expects him to change.

I think you will find most people didn't hate Trump, Trump has a way of encouraging you to hate him.

The Good that he has achieved has been overwhelming lost amongst his on going foot in mouth screw ups including calling the election a fraud and telling Biden cannot claim victory, but at the same time claiming victory himself when at least Biden had more votes at the time.

What Biden does or doesn't do will be judged in good time based on his performance, just like Trump.

I think most people are quite happy with "well at least he's not Trump".
RTT_Rules
They'll be happy with Joe Biden even if he bombs Iran killing thousands of civilians? Initiates another Iraq, another Syria, another Libya?

Okay - Trump was far from perfect but you're all missing the core point here which is that there was a reason 70 million people voted for him and that was because they feel like they've been dealt out of the game. Sure, Trump did a lot of stupid things and in many ways was a badly missed opportunity; and he didn't really represent those people but the fundamental point still stands that a very large chunk of the United States still feels aggrieved enough to vote for him simply because they didn't see any other alternative and when faced with four more years of a Democrat government in 2016 they said "up yours".

The two things that were most appealing to Trump from those marginalised people were -
  • Tough on illegal immigration
  • Tough on the trade deal that the United States was getting from China
Two things that affected the working poor in the United States quite severely and that (obviously) a large chunk of the country felt passionately about.


Those people felt they weren't being listened to under Obama - whereas at least they had a modicum of acknowledgement from Trump. That's the genesis of his popularity with those 'working poor' type people, that and the fact that white people without college degrees - the people who were most likely to vote for Trump - were sick and tired of being told by progressive, large-city coastal dwellers that they were privileged simply because they are white. It didn't matter to the educated large city dwellers they were poor and that their living standards and job opportunities were falling.

And this problem is not going to go away - not now and not in another four years. Biden & Co. have already done their level best to continue to alienate and belittle those marginalised people who were desperate enough to vote for Trump. By then we'll have a doddering octogenarian President and probably a few new wars in train, jobs in manufacturing will continue to go off-shore and the United States will find its debt turbocharged by the enormous spending promises of the Biden government that will remain a millstone around the necks of future generations of working Americans - the ones who actually pay the taxes to keep the joint running.

The people who voted for Trump will be no better off - and they'll probably be even angrier next time.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

They WILL get angrier, because they will become even hungrier.
  M636C Minister for Railways

They'll be happy with Joe Biden even if he bombs Iran killing thousands of civilians?
Just a minute...

The Democrats reached the agreement with Iran to reduce sanctions
It was Trump who restored the sanctions and killed an Iranian military leader with a drone strike...

Trump was much more anti Iran than his predecessors.

Peter
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
They WILL get angrier, because they will become even hungrier.
ANR
Just run me by how Trump has helped the working class? Now I dont think that Biden is the silver bullet at all, but he will be fairer to the working class than Trump. That guy removed $45 Billion from Social Services.

Also Obama deported more illegals than Trump.

Racist bigots think Trump is the dogs dangly bits, though.

There will be a lot of angry white men, like the US needs more of those. Ginned up by you know who.



Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Were sick and tired of being told by progressive, large-city coastal dwellers that they were privileged simply because they are white. It didn't matter to the large city dwellers they were poor and that their living standards and job opportunities were failing.

No it wasn't because they were simply white, it is in recognition of the systemic racism that black and latinos face every day and for decades. The US must come to terms with its racist past. Now some will view as being anti-white. Nothing is further from the truth.

But since when that has given the right of some white people to be utterly racist. No sympathy with those gits.


Michael
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
They WILL get angrier, because they will become even hungrier.
Just run me by how Trump has helped the working class? Now I dont think that Biden is the silver bullet at all, but he will be fairer to the working class than Trump. That guy removed $45 Billion from Social Services.

Also Obama deported more illegals than Trump.

Racist bigots think Trump is the dogs dangly bits, though.

There will be a lot of angry white men, like the US needs more of those. Ginned up by you know who.



Michael
mejhammers1
Gosh, Michael - we could replace you with an algorithm and I don't think anyone would notice the difference.

We're trying to move the conversation on from Trump and you're still obsessively calling him a racist and blaming him for everything that's wrong.
Were sick and tired of being told by progressive, large-city coastal dwellers that they were privileged simply because they are white. It didn't matter to the large city dwellers they were poor and that their living standards and job opportunities were failing.

No it wasn't because they were simply white, it is in recognition of the systemic racism that black and latinos face every day and for decades. The US must come to terms with its racist past. Now some will view as being anti-white. Nothing is further from the truth. But since when that has given the right of some white people to be utterly racist. No sympathy with those gits. Michael
mejhammers1
I didn't say it was because they were white, Michael - I just said that those people happen to  be majority white - that's all. But as usual you interpret everything through the lens of racism because you can't look at things any other way.

I kinda feel sorry for you that you always need to look at things that way but on the other hand it's not my fault that Trump lives rent free in your head.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
They'll be happy with Joe Biden even if he bombs Iran killing thousands of civilians?
Just a minute...

The Democrats reached the agreement with Iran to reduce sanctions
It was Trump who restored the sanctions and killed an Iranian military leader with a drone strike...

Trump was much more anti Iran than his predecessors.

Peter
M636C
IF you think Biden is a peace-maker then let's wait and see. He has already threatened to bomb North Korea if they don't do what he wants... my bet is that there's going to be at least one new war before too long.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
We're trying to move the conversation on from Trump and you're still obsessively calling him a racist and blaming him for everything that's wrong.
don_dunstan
Move it on? The thread is about Trump or hadn't you noticed? Too busy vilifying others, eh? Don't bother to reply.
  don_dunstan Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Adelaide proud
We're trying to move the conversation on from Trump and you're still obsessively calling him a racist and blaming him for everything that's wrong.
Move it on? The thread is about Trump or hadn't you noticed? Too busy vilifying others, eh? Don't bother to reply.
Valvegear
So you came here to vilify for what you see as vilification? Good one...

If there's any consolation with Mister Magoo becoming President its the fact that none of you will have a word to say when he buggers up.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
We're trying to move the conversation on from Trump and you're still obsessively calling him a racist and blaming him for everything that's wrong.
Move it on? The thread is about Trump or hadn't you noticed? Too busy vilifying others, eh? Don't bother to reply.
So you came here to vilify for what you see as vilification? Good one...
don_dunstan
On what planet is what @Valvegear posted vilification? He simply clarified the purpose of this thread, which you seemed to have lost sight of... Please get that mental health check (or at least consult a dictionary)...

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