The corona virus COVID-19

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

The other aspects of COVID-19:
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/amputations-organ-failure-blood-clotting-the-range-of-complications-in-covid-19-cases-1.4907290

Nick Cordero, aged 41, died after 95 days in hospital. White House Director of Security, Crede Bailey, aged 50, also had a leg amputated, but, statistically, he’s a survivor.

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  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
DirtyBallast
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
But the basic facts remain the same as KRviator said: It's generally the elderly and the already sick who are benefiting from the sacrifices of the (mostly) younger working age people who have to shut shops, stop working and stop moving around to prevent spread of the virus. There's exceptions to this rule obviously but on the whole that's what's going on.
OK. We have heard this before. Now, so that we do not do you an injustice, is there any conclusion or suggested course of action that you would add to these remarks?
Valvegear
I'm not answering because I think you're just fishing for something to bash me over the head with.

And frankly I don't have any power over that situation and it's not up to me to say what the answer is anyway.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Where did I say boomers should hurry up and die? All I've ever said is that my sympathy is for the young whose start in life is being completely ruined by this thing - and again, I've hardly seen anyone on this board acknowledge their really noble sacrifice in order to keep people in nursing homes alive. Really, for someone who claims to understand referencing and the English language you have no capacity to comprehend simple statements, do you.
don_dunstan

And destroying the economy to save people over 60 ISN'T selfish? C'mon Graham, this whole argument has been about self-interest right from the start - protecting the Baby Boomers who pillaged the wealth of this country and now want to continue to deprive the young of a proper start in life because they don't want to die.

It's impossible to imagine a generation more selfish than the Boomers.
don_dunstan


You said it here:

'protecting the Baby Boomers who pillaged the wealth of this country and now want to continue to deprive the young of a proper start in life because they don't want to die'
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
No...your comments are still despicable and they go to your fundamental outlook on life.

No amount of back-pedalling can un-write such despicable comments.

This is beyond friendly banter. You have basically said that 'geriatrics' and boomers should die. That's Nazism and goes to why posters have suggested you need to seek help. You REALLY need to seek psychological help.
Where did I say that I actually wanted people to die? You make a really pathetic strawman saying I'm a eugenicist but then you can't back it up - "geraitrics and boomers should die" - what a load of delusional, obsessional rubbish.
don_dunstan
don_dunstan
COVID19, the gift that'll keep on giving forever. Now restaurants and pubs will have to throw away tens of millions of dollars worth of food and people will have to stay at home for Xmas.

But it's all worth it to save geriatrics in nursing homes.

You are a despicable and evil person without humanity or humility. Forthwith, I will not be replying to any of your comments.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Ok, let's all settle down and present some facts.  High vaccine take-up by the elderly has a significant impact on reducing Covid-19 fatality rate:

  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
KRviator
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
DirtyBallast
Completely off-topic, but no, the KRviatrix and I do care about what is happening to the planet. To that end we installed an 18kw solar system on our house and have a 15kw system on our hangar and no, there is not a missing decimal point We do have 33Kw of installed capacity across two 3-phase metered systems.

I'll let you do the maths about how much CO2 etc that saves per year....
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You said it here:

'protecting the Baby Boomers who pillaged the wealth of this country and now want to continue to deprive the young of a proper start in life because they don't want to die'
The Vinelander
IN what universe is that the same thing as saying that I want Baby Boomers to die?

You're just plain wrong, Mike, and you can't bring yourself to admit it.
COVID19, the gift that'll keep on giving forever. Now restaurants and pubs will have to throw away tens of millions of dollars worth of food and people will have to stay at home for Xmas. But it's all worth it to save geriatrics in nursing homes.

You are a despicable and evil person without humanity or humility.
The Vinelander
You're really easily outraged aren't you. You strike me as someone a tad obsessive who loves to hold grudges for decades on end because it makes you feel superior. You're probably also really quite insecure and anxious all the time - am I right?
Forthwith, I will not be replying to any of your comments.
The Vinelander
There is a God.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
Completely off-topic, but no, the KRviatrix and I do care about what is happening to the planet. To that end we installed an 18kw solar system on our house and have a 15kw system on our hangar and no, there is not a missing decimal point We do have 33Kw of installed capacity across two 3-phase metered systems.

I'll let you do the maths about how much CO2 etc that saves per year....
KRviator
More than a few posters here just want to condemn you for having an opinion that's different to do theirs, that's all they're here for. I wouldn't bother to explain myself if I were you, it just spoils that sense of moral superiority they're looking for...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Queensland will revive its hard border closures with barricades to go up on the QLD-NSW road border, after breaches on Monday.
Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk said people were doing the wrong thing and the state could no longer “risk it” without having a hard border.
Ms Palaszczuk said the state had recorded one new case of COVID-19 in hotel quarantine in an overseas arrival.
Over 4000 people had been tested in the past 24 hours.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Multiple states and territories shut borders to Greater Sydney area as COVID-19 cases increase in NSW

On Monday, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian announced that 15 new locally acquired COVID-19 cases were recorded in the state, all linked to the Avalon cluster on the Northern Beaches which now totals 83 cases.

Over the weekend, the Northern Beaches area was placed under lockdown and restrictions increased in Greater Sydney until midnight on Wednesday.

Victoria, South Australia, Queensland and the Northern Territory also confirmed border closures for residents from the Greater Sydney area.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
Completely off-topic, but no, the KRviatrix and I do care about what is happening to the planet. To that end we installed an 18kw solar system on our house and have a 15kw system on our hangar and no, there is not a missing decimal point We do have 33Kw of installed capacity across two 3-phase metered systems.

I'll let you do the maths about how much CO2 etc that saves per year....
KRviator
Fair enough. Well done.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
Completely off-topic, but no, the KRviatrix and I do care about what is happening to the planet. To that end we installed an 18kw solar system on our house and have a 15kw system on our hangar and no, there is not a missing decimal point We do have 33Kw of installed capacity across two 3-phase metered systems.

I'll let you do the maths about how much CO2 etc that saves per year....
More than a few posters here just want to condemn you for having an opinion that's different to do theirs, that's all they're here for. I wouldn't bother to explain myself if I were you, it just spoils that sense of moral superiority they're looking for...
don_dunstan
See above; no condemnation there.

You, however, are not capable of such fairness.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
More than a few posters here just want to condemn you for having an opinion that's different to do theirs, that's all they're here for. I wouldn't bother to explain myself if I were you, it just spoils that sense of moral superiority they're looking for...
See above; no condemnation there.

You, however, are not capable of such fairness.
DirtyBallast
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
DirtyBallast
Sorry but you're just bad as those other high-and-mighty hysterics who come here to lecture those they perceive as morally inferior to themselves.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Jeez it must be tough being the only man in step.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Jeez it must be tough being the only man in step.
Valvegear
Well like so many other holier-than-thou people here he said 'no condemnation here' but only several posts up obviously he HAD been condemning KRviator for what he perceived as his wrong-thinking.

And to top it all off he says:
You, however, are not capable of such fairness.
DirtyBallast
But on the other hand he changed his mind instantly when KRviator stated he was a supporter of green energy - suddenly now he's a nice guy.

And then we have Vinelander Mike who said I was practically sending Baby Boomers to the gas chambers - but then couldn't actually find where I said that and instead had a little tantrum and called me names and says this:
You are a despicable and evil person without humanity or humility.
The Vinelander
What a drama queen - and yet he was the one who actually in the wrong when challenged - not me. Really he should apologize to me for putting words into my mouth but he won't because he has some kind of special papal infallibility.

If you honestly can't see how judgemental and intolerant these attitudes are then there's something seriously wrong with you too.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
...looking at the bigger picture. My grandchildren will still be paying...
You say you are concerned for your grandchildren, yet you want to continue burning coal with gay abandon?
Uh wot?Rolling Eyes
I am suggesting that despite your apparent concern regarding the onus placed on future generations from the economic impact of the pandemic, there is an element of self-interest in play.

If there wasn't, equal concern would be given to those inheriting a dead planet.
Completely off-topic, but no, the KRviatrix and I do care about what is happening to the planet. To that end we installed an 18kw solar system on our house and have a 15kw system on our hangar and no, there is not a missing decimal point We do have 33Kw of installed capacity across two 3-phase metered systems.

I'll let you do the maths about how much CO2 etc that saves per year....
More than a few posters here just want to condemn you for having an opinion that's different to do theirs, that's all they're here for. I wouldn't bother to explain myself if I were you, it just spoils that sense of moral superiority they're looking for...
don_dunstan
Damn, there goes another irony meter

Mikey 5

Don zip
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Jeez it must be tough being the only man in step.
Well like so many other holier-than-thou people here he said 'no condemnation here' but only several posts up obviously he HAD been condemning KRviator for what he perceived as his wrong-thinking.

And to top it all off he says:
You, however, are not capable of such fairness.
But on the other hand he changed his mind instantly when KRviator stated he was a supporter of green energy - suddenly now he's a nice guy.


don_dunstan
I was happy to stand corrected, then I moved on. End of story.

I'm not like those (anyone come to mind?) whose automatic response in a similar situation would be to double down.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Back to topic; despite the economic risk that lockdown poses to generations of young business entrepeneurs and the tax burden on innocent babes yet to suckle their mother's breast, the U.K. has gone into a high level lockdown OVER CHRISTMAS! Why? Could it be that Boris Johnstone and Rt Hon Rishi Sunak are also secretely beholden to the cabal of Pedos that apparently control the universe, or maybe they are less economically literate and philosophically driven than some of the regular contributors here, Australia's foremost forum for trainspotters with an opinion? Is there another explanation for their behaviour?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Jeez it must be tough being the only man in step.
Well like so many other holier-than-thou people here he said 'no condemnation here' but only several posts up obviously he HAD been condemning KRviator for what he perceived as his wrong-thinking.

And to top it all off he says:
You, however, are not capable of such fairness.
But on the other hand he changed his mind instantly when KRviator stated he was a supporter of green energy - suddenly now he's a nice guy.

I was happy to stand corrected, then I moved on. End of story.

I'm not like those (anyone come to mind?) whose automatic response in a similar situation would be to double down.
DirtyBallast
Just responding to Valvegear to point out that I've been told I'm a genocidal dictator (without a shred of evidence) and also (in your case) told I'm incapable of fairness.

Mike/Vinelander is particularly cringeworthy because he deliberately invoked my name last week to bring me out of the woodwork saying I'd "ducked for cover" and then acts all offended when I respond and says I'm "loony right", "despicable", "hateful" and "outrageous Nazi" just because I point out this is all being done to (basically) protect the elderly from COVID19 at the expense of younger people who badly need the income from work. This is a core truth of what's been happening this year - it's not right-wing or genocidal to say that - it's just a simple truth about "lock-downs".

People who are retired are generally on fixed income either from investments, superannuation or the pension and aren't the least bit economically impacted by all this - it's the people who are starting out in life with mortgages, debts and substantial expenses to pay who are the most severely disadvantaged by the economic effects of 'lock-down'.

I know you've said that you personally weren't affected by it - and you're very lucky. But I know lots of people who have lost businesses, had to dip into superannuation, pause mortgages etc just to make ends meet in the last year. That hardship is very real and with lots of the generous welfare measures now coming to an end many of those people are going to do it even harder.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Don, why do you think the Brits are locking down? Have the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the P.M. got access to better risk assessment and cost outcomes than you?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I know you've said that you personally weren't affected by it - and you're very lucky. But I know lots of people who have lost businesses, had to dip into superannuation, pause mortgages etc just to make ends meet in the last year.
don_dunstan
Just for clarity; I was not personally affected by the disease, nor were my two sons, their wives, or my grand daughter. However, I was forced into unwanted retirement on 28th March, and had to start living off my super at that point. Both sons (in IT) and both daughters in law (teachers) were able to keep working the whole time.
In other words; we weren't hit at all. Having stopped work, and with the pandemic raging, the only thing I copped was terminal boredom! I certainly wasn't going to complain about it on this forum; there were thousands worse off than me.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

NSW police behaving badly and discouraging people from getting tested in Sydney.  Scoundrels:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9074657/Cops-patrolling-Covid-testing-lines-bid-FINE-drivers-phones.html
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Some campers are not happy

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