Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
I just hope the service is reliable and fast but I wonder how passengers of the north east line will access the airport line on opening ?

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  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

I think the project has been underestimated by some on here.

Off the top and a quick view of the route on Google Maps the below will need to be done, plus a couple of substations and signalling and comms TB has mentioned.

- Sunshine Station - Almost a complete rebuild.
- Hampshire Road Overpass will need to be rebuilt to accomodate platforms for Airport (if they have dedicated platform at Sunshine) as well as a platform for a future Melton line. This alone will involve getting new Melton tracks on the right side of RRL so they can join the Sunbury Line and access the Metro Tunnel. This all requires the acquisition of the Sun Crescent & City Place station carparks as well as the commercial premises on City Place. Plus track work.
- The extension of the Bendigo RRL tracks to the down side on Albion, construction of a new bridge deck over Anderson road and any modifications needed for road clearance.
- New Rail flyover between Sunshine and Albion to diverge Airport services, without conflicting with Sunbury Services. (if platforms are built at Sunshine a new track pair through Sunshine and a flyover after Sunshine)
- New track pair between the flyover and Albion Junction - then on to the airport
- Rebuild of Albion Station to allow for new track work.
- New diverge for RRL to rejoin the Sunbury Line ( A flyover would be nice, but highly unlikely)
- Modifications to Ballarat Road Overpass to allow for new airport tracks to pass underneath.
- Property acquisitions (mostly industrial) to allow for new airport tracks between Ballarat Road & Albion Junction.
- Reconstruction of St Albans Road overpass to allow for new airport tracks. (This is already on the cards for inland rail to allow clearance for double stacked)
- Bridge over Stony Creek
- Modifications to McIntyre Road overpass to allow for new track pair.
- A new 400m long bridge over the Maribyrnong River $$$
- Modifications to Keilor Park Drive overpass to allow for new track pair
I imagine that 'Sky Rail' will be used after Keilor Park Drive, as the rail corridor narrows. The Airport tracks could sit above the freight line. so.. 1.5Km 'Sky Rail'
- Modification to the existing freight tracks to allow for construction of bridge piers.
- 'Sky Rail' Bridge over 11 lanes of the Calder Freeway and Fullerton Road
- New rail bridge over the Western Ring Road/Airport Drive Interchange
- Construction of near 5km of rail bridge from Western Ring Road/Airport Drive to Apec Drive.
- Dive structure and tunnel entrance/ TBM retrival


If an underground station is built there is an additional kilometre of tunnel to construct plus a mined cavern station. I cant see the Airport or the government wanting to build a cut and over station box in the middle of Arrivals Drive.

Has there been any recent confirmation of an Underground Station at Melbourne Airport? Or will Melbourne have a Sky Rail station similar to Brisbane?

I would also like to see the construction of an Airport West Station. Just prior to Airport Drive. Somewhere between Halsey Road & Etzel Street. The additional 60 seconds dwell time is not going to make that much difference to the 25 minute trip. It will be a boon to local residents who live in a transport black hole.

A figure closer to $6 Billion sounds about right for the project. No final price has been published for the project yet only commitments from the state and feds at $5B each. If Andrews is smart they will try and wrap up as much work for Melton and the WRP into the project, especially at Sunshine Station. The business case will need to have a positive BCR, I cant see that happening without 'wider economic benefits'. ie New station and associated works for other projects. $10B for a few thousand airport travellers is not going to return a positive figure.

Lockie
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville

If an underground station is built there is an additional kilometre of tunnel to construct plus a mined cavern station. I cant see the Airport or the government wanting to build a cut and over station box in the middle of Arrivals Drive.

Has there been any recent confirmation of an Underground Station at Melbourne Airport? Or will Melbourne have a Sky Rail station similar to Brisbane?


Lockie
Lockie91
Underground station confirmed in press releases discussed on the previous page of this thread on December 28

Neil
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Adding to that the airport line will likely include a short section of tunnel approaching the station.
  reubstar6 Chief Train Controller

The Sunshine station layout is going to be verrrry interesting. I would hope they do it once and do it right (as best as possible).
This is my suggestion:
  • New platform 1 for standard gauge trains. It would be stupid for them not to stop at the biggest station in the west with so many connections.
  • Provision for an additional standard gauge track and platform
  • Platforms 2 and 3: Sunbury and Airport lines
  • Platforms 4 and 5: Bendigo, Ballarat and Geelong via Wyndham Vale lines
  • New platforms 6 and 7: Melton/Wyndham Vale electrified lines
  • Provision for future underground SRL station
As @Lockie91 mentioned there will have to be several flyovers to accommodate this and prevent at grade junctions. Presumably the Melton/Wyndham Vale lines will use the Metro tunnel to some degree so they will need to leap over and join the Sunbury/Airport lines.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

The Sunshine station layout is going to be verrrry interesting. I would hope they do it once and do it right (as best as possible).
This is my suggestion:
  • New platform 1 for standard gauge trains. It would be stupid for them not to stop at the biggest station in the west with so many connections.
  • Provision for an additional standard gauge track and platform
  • Platforms 2 and 3: Sunbury and Airport lines
  • Platforms 4 and 5: Bendigo, Ballarat and Geelong via Wyndham Vale lines
  • New platforms 6 and 7: Melton/Wyndham Vale electrified lines
  • Provision for future underground SRL station
As @Lockie91 mentioned there will have to be several flyovers to accommodate this and prevent at grade junctions. Presumably the Melton/Wyndham Vale lines will use the Metro tunnel to some degree so they will need to leap over and join the Sunbury/Airport lines.
reubstar6
I'd like to think so too, but I'd wager it won't be.

Even if it is done properly, with all your suggestions (and any other RP can think of) included, it will likely be deemed unsuitable by the time they get around to building [whatever comes next] due to the extensity of Melbourne's perceived requirements at that future juncture not being compatible with a design conceived in the more antediluvian time of 2020, thus necessitating a complete redesign and reconception of the entire facility; sadly rendering the magnificent work of the 2020s as rubble in need of replacement.
  109portboi Beginner

It would be a shame to not have a stop in between Sunshine and the Airport, say around Keilor East, Airport West, etc.

All of those in the north/west suburbs who now have to drive or bus it to the airport will have a shiny new $10bn toy whiz past the window that they will never have the opportunity to use.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I think the project has been underestimated by some on here.

Off the top and a quick view of the route on Google Maps the below will need to be done, plus a couple of substations and signalling and comms TB has mentioned.

- Sunshine Station - Almost a complete rebuild.
- Hampshire Road Overpass will need to be rebuilt to accomodate platforms for Airport (if they have dedicated platform at Sunshine) as well as a platform for a future Melton line. This alone will involve getting new Melton tracks on the right side of RRL so they can join the Sunbury Line and access the Metro Tunnel. This all requires the acquisition of the Sun Crescent & City Place station carparks as well as the commercial premises on City Place. Plus track work.
- The extension of the Bendigo RRL tracks to the down side on Albion, construction of a new bridge deck over Anderson road and any modifications needed for road clearance.
- New Rail flyover between Sunshine and Albion to diverge Airport services, without conflicting with Sunbury Services. (if platforms are built at Sunshine a new track pair through Sunshine and a flyover after Sunshine)
- New track pair between the flyover and Albion Junction - then on to the airport
- Rebuild of Albion Station to allow for new track work.
- New diverge for RRL to rejoin the Sunbury Line ( A flyover would be nice, but highly unlikely)
- Modifications to Ballarat Road Overpass to allow for new airport tracks to pass underneath.
- Property acquisitions (mostly industrial) to allow for new airport tracks between Ballarat Road & Albion Junction.
- Reconstruction of St Albans Road overpass to allow for new airport tracks. (This is already on the cards for inland rail to allow clearance for double stacked)
- Bridge over Stony Creek
- Modifications to McIntyre Road overpass to allow for new track pair.
- A new 400m long bridge over the Maribyrnong River $$$
- Modifications to Keilor Park Drive overpass to allow for new track pair
I imagine that 'Sky Rail' will be used after Keilor Park Drive, as the rail corridor narrows. The Airport tracks could sit above the freight line. so.. 1.5Km 'Sky Rail'
- Modification to the existing freight tracks to allow for construction of bridge piers.
- 'Sky Rail' Bridge over 11 lanes of the Calder Freeway and Fullerton Road
- New rail bridge over the Western Ring Road/Airport Drive Interchange
- Construction of near 5km of rail bridge from Western Ring Road/Airport Drive to Apec Drive.
- Dive structure and tunnel entrance/ TBM retrival


If an underground station is built there is an additional kilometre of tunnel to construct plus a mined cavern station. I cant see the Airport or the government wanting to build a cut and over station box in the middle of Arrivals Drive.

Has there been any recent confirmation of an Underground Station at Melbourne Airport? Or will Melbourne have a Sky Rail station similar to Brisbane?

I would also like to see the construction of an Airport West Station. Just prior to Airport Drive. Somewhere between Halsey Road & Etzel Street. The additional 60 seconds dwell time is not going to make that much difference to the 25 minute trip. It will be a boon to local residents who live in a transport black hole.

A figure closer to $6 Billion sounds about right for the project. No final price has been published for the project yet only commitments from the state and feds at $5B each. If Andrews is smart they will try and wrap up as much work for Melton and the WRP into the project, especially at Sunshine Station. The business case will need to have a positive BCR, I cant see that happening without 'wider economic benefits'. ie New station and associated works for other projects. $10B for a few thousand airport travellers is not going to return a positive figure.

Lockie
Lockie91
Thank you for your detailed analysis. I do not underestimate the project. Your figure $6 Billion sounds about right, lets hope the rest is placed on other projects, such as the Western Rail project. $10 Billion for just Airport Services is far too much.


Michael
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

If an underground station is built there is an additional kilometre of tunnel to construct plus a mined cavern station. I cant see the Airport or the government wanting to build a cut and over station box in the middle of Arrivals Drive.

Has there been any recent confirmation of an Underground Station at Melbourne Airport? Or will Melbourne have a Sky Rail station similar to Brisbane?


Lockie
Lockie91
Underground station confirmed in press releases discussed on the previous page of this thread on December 28

Neil
"ngarner"
methinks you read a different presser...
The location of the railway station within Melbourne Airport has not been confirmed
The Age 28/12/20: Melbourne Airport rail line to soar high over Maribyrnong River

There is also another project at the Airport to re-arrange the access into the (elevated) car park. A new train station in the air may fit nicely with that.

cheers
John
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner


There is also another project at the Airport to re-arrange the access into the (elevated) car park. A new train station in the air may fit nicely with that.

cheers
John
justarider
The whole forecourt area is being glassed over between the current terminal and the hotel. An underground train station integrated outside T2 would seem ideal to me.

  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville

Neil
methinks you read a different presser...
The location of the railway station within Melbourne Airport has not been confirmed

There is also another project at the Airport to re-arrange the access into the (elevated) car park. A new train station in the air may fit nicely with that.

cheers
John
justarider
It says the location, it doesn't say they have not confirmed it is underground. The first link shows the design for an underground station whereas the second is more abivalent about that

Neil
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

I just hope the service is reliable and fast but I wonder how passengers of the north east line will access the airport line on opening ?
freightgate
Hopefully Government re-instates platform on the standard gauge line at sunshine to at least give Albury Line sg pax access to Airport trains at Sunshine.

Otherwise they get dumped at Sxs which is not a connecting station to Airport once Metro 1 1 & Airport are both operational.
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

methinks you read a different presser...
The location of the railway station within Melbourne Airport has not been confirmed
There is also another project at the Airport to re-arrange the access into the (elevated) car park. A new train station in the air may fit nicely with that.
cheers John

It says the location, it doesn't say they have not confirmed it is underground. The first link shows the design for an underground station whereas the second is more abivalent about that

Neil
ngarner
I wouldn't be calling a stock artists image nearly 2 years old, a confirmation of anything. At least "The Age" were honest enough to credit where that part of the story came from
A 2019 artist's impression of the station that could be built at Melbourne Airport.CREDIT:

A lot has happened since - remember the tunell from SUN to SCS anyone?

Not saying it will be upstairs or down. The business case is still being written.
Both the Airport mgt and Vic Big Build have a lot of thinking and cooperating to do when spending their big bucks.

cheers
John
  mm42 Chief Train Controller

The Melbourne Airport Master Plan has further information about the alignment that has been reserved for Airport Rail. This is just south of Departure Drive, as shown in the artist's visual. There only structures there at present are water chillers for the airport's chilled water circulation system. Once these are moved there would be room to build a cut-and-cover station. Note that in Melbourne Metro 1 cut and cover stations (Arden, Parkville, ANZAC) are about $300m each, whereas mined stations are about $1b each.

Other interesting facts in the Melbourne airport development plan are
- only 60% of vehicle trips to the airport is air passengers (71,200 trips in 2016), employees 27% and commercial visits the balance, the latter mainly to the commercial park.
- In 2016 employees generated an estimated 31,800 vehicle trips per day, with 88 percent of airport-based employees driving to work.
- to accommodate further growth a new terminal is planned west of the runways, with access from the Calder freeway and a rail tunnel beneath the runways. This is why the preference is for an underground station rather than an elevated station.


https://www.melbourneairport.com.au/getmedia/672d0a02-c629-4391-9f6d-23d2ac623b81/Melbourne_Airport_Masterplan.pdf.aspx?ext=.pdf
  mrmarcus Station Master

It would be a shame to not have a stop in between Sunshine and the Airport, say around Keilor East, Airport West, etc.

All of those in the north/west suburbs who now have to drive or bus it to the airport will have a shiny new $10bn toy whiz past the window that they will never have the opportunity to use.
109portboi

The problem is that the rail corridor between Albion and where it would diverge to the airport, runs around the very back end of the suburbs out there. There's nowhere near enough walk-up patronage, so you'd need to build a big carpark and much better road/PT access, and this doesn't seem practical to me with just residential local side streets backing onto the line.

Airport West S/C would potentially be a patronage generator, but it would probably be just that little bit too far from where the line diverges to have a practical station there.
  bomberswarm2 Junior Train Controller

Should be a tunnel directly from the airport to Southern Cross. Shouldn't be stopping anywhere else, should run 24/7 at 10 minuite intervals.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Should be a tunnel directly from the airport to Southern Cross. Shouldn't be stopping anywhere else, should run 24/7 at 10 minuite intervals.
bomberswarm2
Why? Spending $10 + Billion on a tunnel so that passengers can get to the airport in 20 mins. No way! The only way any service from the Airport to terminate at Southern Cross can be justified is to rehabilltate the existing broad gauge freight corridor and build an at grade track pair along the median of Airport Drive and a simple above ground station.


Michael
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Should be a tunnel directly from the airport to Southern Cross. Shouldn't be stopping anywhere else, should run 24/7 at 10 minuite intervals.
bomberswarm2
In time, there will probably be a new metro line linking the airport to the city via Maribyrnong. For now, the current proposal does the job.

When the time comes, the current airport rail would be converted to VLine for through running to Seymour/Bendigo, and the new Metro track will serve the north west.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

- to accommodate further growth a new terminal is planned west of the runways, with access from the Calder freeway and a rail tunnel beneath the runways. This is why the preference is for an underground station rather than an elevated station.
mm42
Much faster and cheaper to build above. When the time comes to connect to the Western terminal just extend the skyrail across the runways. Wink
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville

methinks you read a different presser...
The location of the railway station within Melbourne Airport has not been confirmed
There is also another project at the Airport to re-arrange the access into the (elevated) car park. A new train station in the air may fit nicely with that.
cheers John

It says the location, it doesn't say they have not confirmed it is underground. The first link shows the design for an underground station whereas the second is more abivalent about that

Neil I wouldn't be calling a stock artists image nearly 2 years old, a confirmation of anything. At least "The Age" were honest enough to credit where that part of the story came from
A 2019 artist's impression of the station that could be built at Melbourne Airport.CREDIT:

A lot has happened since - remember the tunell from SUN to SCS anyone?

Not saying it will be upstairs or down. The business case is still being written.
Both the Airport mgt and Vic Big Build have a lot of thinking and cooperating to do when spending their big bucks.

cheers
John
justarider
Fair enough comments. I read too much into that one part of the article and missing the other one about no decision

Neil
  Duncs Chief Commissioner

So I will be able to take a 45 minute train trip, then change trains, then take a 30 minute train trip, and pay $40 (is that just for the Airport link trip, or does it include other public transport travel to get to the link?) for the privilege (return trip)?  Or I could drive there in 40 minutes and park for the same price.

Hmmm.

Everyone could post how the airport line will not be suitable for their normal needs due to their specific travel patterns from home. However, at least in a decade - hopefully less - everyone will have it as an option for some trips. I know many pilots and cabin crew who love the fact that this will finally be built.

The problem is that this option fails on both counts. The el-cheapo now but properly overpriced option being favoured by both  govco's will in the long term will almost guaranteed be too slow to entice people out of their cars and Skybus services. General rail commuters will not embrace it because it covers no new areas and it does nothing to add capacity to the network.
Why all this pessimism.... too slow? Can you suggest a suitable comparison to support that view?

HK Express takes 24-25mins to HK station. MARL is estimated to take 27 min to Library and 29 min to Town Hall/Flinders st. Are you seriously suggesting that the extra 3-5 mins is going to make any real difference for most pax? Bris Airtrain takes 24 mins from domestic to Central or 28 mins to Roma st for a 16km trip. MARL estimated times are completely reasonable compared with both. Skybus normally take between 25-30mins to SXS.

Pricing wise, I suspect that once pax surveys are done and the numbers are crunched that a lower fare around $10-$15 will hopefully be decided upon. However, even if the fare is similar to Skybus it is not difficult to project that they will lose around 75% of their pax within the first 12 months. The MARL will offer much better reliability, capacity and more importantly easier connections with the wider network.

The MARL will essentially be a semi express service for around a 30 min journey to the CBD. An extra fee on top of the Myki base fare is not unwarranted when you compare with other express services such as Honkers $20 (OW), Narita Express $42 or KLs $18.50 (70km trip). Syd charges $14.87 station access fee for a much shorter trip and the over priced Bris Airtrain costs $19.50.
Yappo
For the proposed journey times, what line speeds do they expect to achieve? As this is mostly new construction, trains should be able to go as fast as is safely possible.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
@bomberswarm2 The only way you could even come close to justifying a direct airport-city line is if it stopped along the way to generate the commuter patronage required.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Lets hope they can solve this issue when they rebuild sunshine station

  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
There's been no indication that Sunshine is getting rebuilt at all.

The idea of Sunshine as a 'Super Hub' came from the consortium who didn't get their proposal up. Every mention of Sunshine by the department and government has been as a 'major interchange' - nothing about it being rebuilt, upgraded or changed in anyway. It could already be described as a major interchange.

With the Airport trains going into Metro Tunnel, I am not expecting anything more than the following around Sunshine:
  • RRL extended past Albion for Bendigo trains
  • A conflict free junction from the Sunbury Line to the new line, probably a dive under for the down line to avoid rebuilding Ballarat Road.
  • A rebuilt St Albans Road bridge


No changes needed at Sunshine at all. Maybe it might get some escalators and some new signs.
  TOQ-1 Deputy Commissioner

Location: Power Trainger
There's been no indication that Sunshine is getting rebuilt at all.

The idea of Sunshine as a 'Super Hub' came from the consortium who didn't get their proposal up. Every mention of Sunshine by the department and government has been as a 'major interchange' - nothing about it being rebuilt, upgraded or changed in anyway. It could already be described as a major interchange.

With the Airport trains going into Metro Tunnel, I am not expecting anything more than the following around Sunshine:
  • RRL extended past Albion for Bendigo trains
  • A conflict free junction from the Sunbury Line to the new line, probably a dive under for the down line to avoid rebuilding Ballarat Road.
  • A rebuilt St Albans Road bridge


No changes needed at Sunshine at all. Maybe it might get some escalators and some new signs.

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