The China Problem

 
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
The Chinese sporting regime is rather strict, they want medallists only, so I'm not surprised that coming fourth in anything gets you in the dog house. But it was no different at the State high school I attended, with its zealous sporting bent.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

Although it's a somewhat simplistic take, Xi looks more like a reincarnated Mao but with a lot more money, technology, and trade leverage.

He's far more dangerous really, more akin to a certain European 'Fuhrer' in the 1930s.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The Chinese sporting regime is rather strict, they want medallists only, so I'm not surprised that coming fourth in anything gets you in the dog house. But it was no different at the State high school I attended, with its zealous sporting bent.
billybaxter
You never finished telling us about Amnesty being a front organisation - and now this.
Although it's a somewhat simplistic take, Xi looks more like a reincarnated Mao but with a lot more money, technology, and trade leverage. He's far more dangerous really, more akin to a certain European 'Fuhrer' in the 1930s.
Carnot
Also Hitler was very pro-private enterprise and had his fans in the West, just like modern China with its proto-capitalist model. Many people saw Germany at that time as a vanguard against Stalin without appreciating the danger than was inherent in Nazism.
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Although it's a somewhat simplistic take, Xi looks more like a reincarnated Mao but with a lot more money, technology, and trade leverage.

He's far more dangerous really, more akin to a certain European 'Fuhrer' in the 1930s.
Carnot


I wouldn't compare him to mao, considering that he and his family were purged by him and deported to the countryside during the cultural revolution. A Stongman dictator who's cemented himself as top dog for the time being? Totally. The Comparison to Hitler is I'd say more valid, considering the expansionist tendency at the moment of the party and defacto Cultural genocide happening (that they arn't even bothering to try and deny).

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/25/world/asia/xi-jinping-china-cultural-revolution.html
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Yep, they're definitely not hiding their cultural genocide of the Uighur people.  Their Embassy in Washington is even publicly spinning it as 'woke' and progressive:



They have no shame.  How will Biden respond?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
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They have no shame.  How will Biden respond?
Carnot
He won't. It's Obama all over again.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

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They have no shame.  How will Biden respond?
He won't. It's Obama all over again.
don_dunstan
Unlike Trump who has just attempted a coup in DC. You have zero credibility. Go away.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
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They have no shame.  How will Biden respond?
He won't. It's Obama all over again.
Unlike Trump who has just attempted a coup in DC. You have zero credibility. Go away.
nswtrains
This thread is about China, it's not about Trump and I'm not going anywhere, girlfriend. Have a little cry won't you.

China has increased orders of Indonesian coal and India is buying more of our high quality coal to make up for the lack of sales to China. Things are starting to balance out.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It'll be interesting to see if Indonesia aligns itself more with China rather than the USA in the coming years.

That could make life even more complicated for our ADF...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It'll be interesting to see if Indonesia aligns itself more with China rather than the USA in the coming years.

That could make life even more complicated for our ADF...
Carnot
Indonesian brown coal isn't as good as the high quality black coal that we've been selling the Chinese but then I guess they'll just adjust their power plants accordingly. There's always a market internationally for our high quality coking coal - we're probably better off long term not aligning ourselves to a power that insists on manipulating us in exchange for buying our exports.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Glad to see Josh Frydenburg stop the sale of Probuild (who are building the VicPol HQ and CSL) to a Chinese State Enterprise.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-12/chinese-company-withdraws-bid-for-australian-builder-probuild/13050908

They (the Chinese Govt) certainly have some gumption and no shame.
  arctic Deputy Commissioner

Location: Zurich
It'll be interesting to see if Indonesia aligns itself more with China rather than the USA in the coming years.

That could make life even more complicated for our ADF...
Indonesian brown coal isn't as good as the high quality black coal that we've been selling the Chinese but then I guess they'll just adjust their power plants accordingly. There's always a market internationally for our high quality coking coal - we're probably better off long term not aligning ourselves to a power that insists on manipulating us in exchange for buying our exports.
don_dunstan
Coal exported by Indonesia does not really fit in the broad term "brown coal". The Indo coal is a different grade than the Australian coals for the most part though.  In some respects the Indo coal is preferable than the Australian coal in a power plant.

Cheers
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some Tesla's destined for gullible unsuspecting buyers in Australia are made in Shanghai, not California:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/916776/2021-tesla-model-3-australian-production-switches-to-china/

There have been reports of major problems with this factory.  Maybe take it with a grain of salt since it could be an embellished hit piece:
https://en.pingwest.com/a/8154
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Some Tesla's destined for gullible unsuspecting buyers in Australia are made in Shanghai, not California:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/916776/2021-tesla-model-3-australian-production-switches-to-china/

There have been reports of major problems with this factory.  Maybe take it with a grain of salt since it could be an embellished hit piece:
https://en.pingwest.com/a/8154
Carnot
There's nothing suspicious or underhanded about it - BMW have been doing exactly the same thing for years with shipping the lower spec models off-shore. China are making many different cars now including the entire MG range, not surprising that the Tesla Model 3 is being moved there.

Tesla build quality was never that good anyway - especially things like wear on interior parts (don't pick the white seats!).
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Some Tesla's destined for gullible unsuspecting buyers in Australia are made in Shanghai, not California:
https://www.caradvice.com.au/916776/2021-tesla-model-3-australian-production-switches-to-china/

There have been reports of major problems with this factory.  Maybe take it with a grain of salt since it could be an embellished hit piece:
https://en.pingwest.com/a/8154
There's nothing suspicious or underhanded about it - BMW have been doing exactly the same thing for years with shipping the lower spec models off-shore. China are making many different cars now including the entire MG range, not surprising that the Tesla Model 3 is being moved there.

Tesla build quality was never that good anyway - especially things like wear on interior parts (don't pick the white seats!).
don_dunstan
Most BMW SUVs are actually built in Spartanburg South Carolina in the Deep South of the USA.

Anyway, an interesting read on Tesla doing business in China and keeping Xi onside:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-01-13/china-loves-elon-musk-and-tesla-tsla-how-long-will-that-last
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A really interesting development - a big drug trafficking King pin has been arrested in the Netherlands. He had close ties to the CCP and those involved in the Belt and Road initiative:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/drug-deals-dirty-money-and-links-to-beijing-australian-police-bring-down-asia-s-mr-big-20210120-p56vk8.html

No wonder the feds are keen to rip up Chairman Dan's deals with the CCP...
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I suggest $50 bail when he gets here.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-25/asx-rise-wall-street-nasdaq-inflation-cpi/13088046

4th biggest trade surplus on record, cereals exports through the roof, 42% of wheat to Saudi Arabia but guess who took 1/3rd of our wheat exports worth $250M?

Article also quotes the ABS as saying that Australia managed to divert coal and barley shipments to other markets
  Carnot Minister for Railways

CCP are wanting to build a $39 billion naval base, sorry resort city in the Torres Strait:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9225393/Inside-Chinas-bold-plan-build-39BILLION-city-Australias-doorstep.html

They are enslaving our Northern neighbours with huge debts. It won't be hard for them take over those countries and it'll be a new Pacific war within a few years. Another Guadalcanal campaign anyone?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

A remarkable story of how our Defence capabilities may have been seriously compromised by her appointment:
https://www.smh.com.au/national/former-aerospace-chief-s-plans-threatened-air-force-capability-20210216-p572wr.html

They struggled to get a security clearance for her as well....
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There's a long and growing shopping list of our exports that are either subjected to punitive tariffs or completely banned in China:

Australian barley 85% tariff - because apparently it's being 'dumped' in China below cost (no proof of that).
Substantial bans on Australian beef and lamb for no apparent reason - used to be a $3 billion export market now ruined.
$1.5 billion of Australian wine now subjected to 200%+ tariffs making it manifestly noncompetitive with other wines.
Chinese cotton mills told by the CCP to stop buying Australian cotton.
$1 billion market in live crayfish stopped since November when Chinese customs refused to let the product into the country. No explanation other than some vague references to bio security.
$10 billion in timber exports stopped suddenly before Xmas over 'pest' concerns - again, no detailed explanation.
$14.5 billion worth of coal from Newcastle stopped suddenly leading to shortages of coal in China - stopped supposedly due to contamination.

Still unaffected by the Chinese export ban (for now) are wheat, wool, sugar, copper ore and iron ore - wool in particular is very reliant on China with almost all our exports going to that one customer.

I thought the "Clever Country" meant we were supposed to be exporting high-end manufactures with an extremely diversified client base by now - instead we're exporting simple commodities more than ever and (even worse) we're too reliant on one or two customers to buy most of our stuff.

We are very, very vulnerable to the nefarious intentions of the CCP.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Iron Ore is a real cash cow atm. US$176/tonne  and mostly going to China.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

I know it's counter intuitive, but we should stop iron ore shipments. Without our high quality ore, they can't build defence infrastructure like a navy, new ports, hypersonic weapons etc to fight a war with it, and be a supa powa. Yes, our economy will take a hit, but it would take a bigger hit in a war.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I know it's counter intuitive, but we should stop iron ore shipments. Without our high quality ore, they can't build defence infrastructure like a navy, new ports, hypersonic weapons etc to fight a war with it, and be a supa powa. Yes, our economy will take a hit, but it would take a bigger hit in a war.
ANR
That boat sailed about 20 years ago... sunk by commercial interests. We can't even tax the damn stuff properly.

We had an opportunity to tax the iron ore windfall 11 years ago and the Labor Party were made to dump that policy (and the leader who proposed it) by Gina and Twiggy.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I know it's counter intuitive, but we should stop iron ore shipments. Without our high quality ore, they can't build defence infrastructure like a navy, new ports, hypersonic weapons etc to fight a war with it, and be a supa powa. Yes, our economy will take a hit, but it would take a bigger hit in a war.
That boat sailed about 20 years ago... sunk by commercial interests. We can't even tax the damn stuff properly.
don_dunstan
Yes, as nice an idea as it sounds to punish the CCCP in a tit for tat trade war it just ain't gonna happen. For a start the government would get sued by the big miners for the lost profits but also it would violate our own FTA which the Aus government would not want to be seen to be doing

Like it or lump it, Australia has positioned itself as a free trading nation and would not want to damage that image especially as we are currently taking China to the WTO over Barley with perhaps others to follow. (As an aside I sometimes think that Australia is being used as a lab for a liberal free trade experiment to see how far that particular agenda can be pushed before something cracks!!! Just look at our car market, we have the most makes and models avl of any country in the world I believe - little old us, a country of 26M people.......)

And of course with Iron Ore sitting well over US$150 a ton ATM all RailPagers will already know that no guvmit is going to want to lose the tax revenue that is coming in from shifting all that dirt to the other side of the world

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