MakeZZR SG and use it as a ALT route !

 
Topic moved from The Intercity Platform by dthead on 27 Feb 2020 21:42
  ANR Chief Commissioner

I'm not embarrassed to ask this, but I couldn't find a more appropriate place than this thread.

If the NSW western line was cut because a mountain caved into one or more of the 10 tunnels east of Lithgow, landslide, whatever, and this was going to be for an extended period of time, could the zig zag railway be reconnected between Clarence and Newnes Junction (and bottom station and Lithgow) just for pax services? Of course it would have to run on standard gauge.  Could a train as long as the XPT use the switchback or be supported by the viaducts?  The XPL/endeavours would have no problem obviously being small.

Could this line be rebuilt regardless for such contingencies?

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  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I'm not embarrassed to ask this, but I couldn't find a more appropriate place than this thread.

If the NSW western line was cut because a mountain caved into one or more of the 10 tunnels east of Lithgow, landslide, whatever, and this was going to be for an extended period of time, could the zig zag railway be reconnected between Clarence and Newnes Junction (and bottom station and Lithgow) just for pax services? Of course it would have to run on standard gauge.  Could a train as long as the XPT use the switchback or be supported by the viaducts?  The XPL/endeavours would have no problem obviously being small.

Could this line be rebuilt regardless for such contingencies?
ANR
the zig zag has been relaid on narrow gauge
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I'm not embarrassed to ask this, but I couldn't find a more appropriate place than this thread.

If the NSW western line was cut because a mountain caved into one or more of the 10 tunnels east of Lithgow, landslide, whatever, and this was going to be for an extended period of time, could the zig zag railway be reconnected between Clarence and Newnes Junction (and bottom station and Lithgow) just for pax services? Of course it would have to run on standard gauge.  Could a train as long as the XPT use the switchback or be supported by the viaducts?  The XPL/endeavours would have no problem obviously being small.

Could this line be rebuilt regardless for such contingencies?
ANR
Sure, with enough time and cash, anything is possible. But it won’t happen. Why?
So Does Sydney trains(or whoever have the option to acquire ZZ right of way?)


But, there is no connection at Newnes or Bottom points to the mainline. Let’s not overlook the break of gauge. Plus clearances and load limits on viaducts built in the 1860s.
Should the worst occur and the line through the tunnels is impassable, Pax services would be operated by buses. Mt Vic and Lithgow. As has happened recently.
Freight services would go Via Parkes and Coota West. There may be a valid reason to reinstate the Mudgee line, under the circumstance you’ve described. Harden-Blaney, no hope.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

I know the zz has been relaid NG, but say it was SG, and the tunnels were toast, could the viaducts support XPL and XPT trains? The alignment between Clarence and Newnes would be straight up. Surely the existing zz alignment could support these trains.

How incredible that the ZZ actually was conceived to solve the problem of getting over the mountains.

Pay rent to ZZ for use of the line.

.. And yes, bustitution would happen in anyone's language
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

ANR, my polite way to say it ain’t happening.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Thought this thread had disappeared. I understand that this is in the "it will never happen" category, but my question is:

is it technically feasible to reconnect Newnes Junction to Clarence, and bottom points to the main west? Can the viaducts support a 2 or even 3 car XPL if SG was laid where the NG currently sits?
  ARG706 Chief Commissioner

Location: SA
This sounds equivalent to building a connection to a regauged version of the CAR between Stirling North and just north of Edeowie, as a backup corridor to the current (disused) much flatter standard gauge alignment that bypasses the Flinders Ranges.

If it was practical, it would be done probably 60 years ago by now.
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
I know this is an old thread but in the past I've wondered if the Zig Zag could be used as a track work alternative. Maybe the Zig Zag could be extended to Newnes Junction and a third rail (dual gauge) could be laid on the tracks between Bottom Points and Lithgow to recreate the experience of reversing twice. Just a crazy idea I suppose.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
I know this is an old thread but in the past I've wondered if the Zig Zag could be used as a track work alternative. Maybe the Zig Zag could be extended to Newnes Junction and a third rail (dual gauge) could be laid on the tracks between Bottom Points and Lithgow to recreate the experience of reversing twice. Just a crazy idea I suppose.
GeoffreyHansen
They were actually working on a Newnes extension before it closed, I believe that track had been laid for half the route (in narrow gauge of course).

I think that the plan was to extend it to the station, rebuild the station to modern standards and reopen it, closing Zig Zag station in the process.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Just a crazy idea I suppose.
GeoffreyHansen

with all the tunnel work on the main line .. there is a good chance a modern train may not fit the tunnels on the zig zag line
  GeoffreyHansen Minister for Railways

Location: In a FAM sleeper
Could an Endeavour fit through the tunnels?
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
I thought it all burnt down.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
I thought it all burnt down.
billybaxter
The Workshop was badly damaged, sleepers and signals were destroyed and several carriages were destroyed in the 2013 fires.
Many hundreds of sleepers were destroyed along with the amenities block, several carriages and parts in the 2019 fires.

The damage from both fires was major, but nowhere near total destruction. Most of the damage has been repaired (to my knowledge) and the current plan is for them to reopen by the end of the year.

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