Tenders open for abandoned regional rail line

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 19 Jan 2021 21:42
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
New life being proposed for the Blayney Line with a tender being released.

The next step in investigating the potential reactivation of the Blayney-to-Demondrille railway is underway, with tenders open to develop a concept design that will examine the condition of the line and associated infrastructure.
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Tenders open for abandoned regional rail line

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Be good to see some traffic back on this line.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Be good to see some traffic back on this line.
bevans
Never going to happen. Wish they would stop spending money on studies/tenders to placate some local rent seekers.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Be good to see some traffic back on this line.
Never going to happen. Wish they would stop spending money on studies/tenders to placate some local rent seekers.
nswtrains
yes a sop to the people. The points at Demondorille were removed several; years ago. There are significant washaways

What traffic do they hope to see?
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
The tender documents I cannot find online but I assume the operator would need to build the traffic opportunities for the line.  Young would in my mind at least have traffic as a lot of produce around that area.  Good on the people for wanting to try at least the line is there and not like SA or Vic where it is cannibalised so many times.

To make the line work an interface between cold storage of produce and the rail network is required in the region as to allow national distribution of the produce from Young or the area at least.  if this can be achieved it will drive more rail use for NSW.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The tender documents I cannot find online but I assume the operator would need to build the traffic opportunities for the line.  Young would in my mind at least have traffic as a lot of produce around that area.  Good on the people for wanting to try at least the line is there and not like SA or Vic where it is cannibalised so many times.

To make the line work an interface between cold storage of produce and the rail network is required in the region as to allow national distribution of the produce from Young or the area at least.  if this can be achieved it will drive more rail use for NSW.
"NSWGR8022"


Do you work in PR.

This sounds like PR dribble without actually knowing what comes from the area and what could actually be rail trafficable.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Using the Mudgee line as example, after reopening. IIRC, excluding heritage services, there was only 1 revenue train. And I believe that was an empty car movement by LVRF, from Rothbury to the state mine.
Of course open to correction on the above.
Cowra line, not happening.
  DCook Chief Train Controller

Location: The standard state
I think it is almost certain that the only trains the line will see in the future will be LVR shuttles along certain sections. Reopening the whole line will never happen, let alone for commercial use.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
The tender documents I cannot find online but I assume the operator would need to build the traffic opportunities for the line.  Young would in my mind at least have traffic as a lot of produce around that area.  Good on the people for wanting to try at least the line is there and not like SA or Vic where it is cannibalised so many times.

To make the line work an interface between cold storage of produce and the rail network is required in the region as to allow national distribution of the produce from Young or the area at least.  if this can be achieved it will drive more rail use for NSW.


Do you work in PR.

This sounds like PR dribble without actually knowing what comes from the area and what could actually be rail trafficable.
speedemon08
It sounds like he might have read the SAMROM report at some stage which did identify back in the late 2000s/early 2010s that there was a sizeable (not sure if rail sizeable or not) quantity of reefers originating out of the Blayney area destined for the Port of Melbourne for on shipment to Tasmania.

Not sure if that is still there or not.

Grain will of course be the main task though.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Using the Mudgee line as example, after reopening. IIRC, excluding heritage services, there was only 1 revenue train. And I believe that was an empty car movement by LVRF, from Rothbury to the state mine.
Of course open to correction on the above.
Cowra line, not happening.
michaelgm


I dont know much about the Mudgee line - did they reopen it all the way through or just to Mudgee?
  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
@James.au - there is no longer a Blayney train in the John Holland working timetable. And the only mention of intermodal in Blayney Shire’s latest strategic plan is in the context of Parkes.

Any container traffic from Nestle Purina atm would appear to be trucked. That said, the company is apparently increasing capacity to 100,000 tonnes per annum (with $65m invested), so the picture could change. 100,000 tonnes spread evenly across a year would justify a weekly train.
  GheringhapLoop GEEWONG

Location: Gheringhap Vic 3331
@James.au - there is no longer a Blayney train in the John Holland working timetable. And the only mention of intermodal in Blayney Shire’s latest strategic plan is in the context of Parkes.

Any container traffic from Nestle Purina atm would appear to be trucked. That said, the company is apparently increasing capacity to 100,000 tonnes per annum (with $65m invested), so the picture could change. 100,000 tonnes spread evenly across a year would justify a weekly train.
SinickleBird

That is the exciting part.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
@James.au - there is no longer a Blayney train in the John Holland working timetable. And the only mention of intermodal in Blayney Shire’s latest strategic plan is in the context of Parkes.

Any container traffic from Nestle Purina atm would appear to be trucked. That said, the company is apparently increasing capacity to 100,000 tonnes per annum (with $65m invested), so the picture could change. 100,000 tonnes spread evenly across a year would justify a weekly train.
SinickleBird
This freight wasn't on rail at the time and was prospective.  Weddin shire still has the report online. Refer to page 19 for where it says there would be 9000 TEU per year each way (9000 up, 9000 down).  Plenty of other interesting volume there too.

This of course needs to be updated but there were some decent existing volumes identified at the time.

http://www.weddin.nsw.gov.au/Media/WeddinShireCouncil/Engineering/SamromReport.pdf
  PeeJay Junior Train Controller

Location: Riverstone NSW
I dont know much about the Mudgee line - did they reopen it all the way through or just to Mudgee?
james.au


All the way, but by "reopen" what actually happened was "maintain it to a level where a light train probably won't derail at 40km/h". Not very useful for anything except heritage trains.
At least this time the study is assuming rebuilding the line to cater for modern trains with 23t axle load.
  tsv555 Beginner

I am astonished they re-opened the Mudgee line!

Is is still open? Does it see any regular services?
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I am astonished they re-opened the Mudgee line!

Is is still open? Does it see any regular services?
tsv555
AFAIK it's been open to Kandos for some time, but not further on to Mudgee, let alone Gulgong.  The track beyond is still in place, but there may be some damaged or collapsed bridges on the permanent way.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
I am astonished they re-opened the Mudgee line!

Is is still open? Does it see any regular services?
AFAIK it's been open to Kandos for some time, but not further on to Mudgee, let alone Gulgong.  The track beyond is still in place, but there may be some damaged or collapsed bridges on the permanent way.
Transtopic
Line is open to Rylstone, after that a fair bit of work needs to be done.
  MysticRose Station Staff

Pardon my noobery, but I can’t find one definite answer anywhere - is any part of the line currently in use at all, for freight or for LVR operations? I visited Cowra last weekend and the rail line - from what I could see from the highway - looked thoroughly dilapidated all along its length.

I wanted to take some photos of Cowra station and the surrounds, but didn’t want to be trespassing on an active line if it was indeed in use.
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
Pardon my noobery, but I can’t find one definite answer anywhere - is any part of the line currently in use at all, for freight or for LVR operations? I visited Cowra last weekend and the rail line - from what I could see from the highway - looked thoroughly dilapidated all along its length.

I wanted to take some photos of Cowra station and the surrounds, but didn’t want to be trespassing on an active line if it was indeed in use.
MysticRose
None of the line is currently in use. The status of the Cowra - Holmwood section will change to Operational hopefully sometime this year.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
None of the line is currently in use. The status of the Cowra - Holmwood section will change to Operational hopefully sometime this year.
LowndesJ515

Is there a compelling reason why I hope new traffic?
  a6et Minister for Railways

None of the line is currently in use. The status of the Cowra - Holmwood section will change to Operational hopefully sometime this year.

Is there a compelling reason why I hope new traffic?
bevans
Latest news is that the Holmwood section will be ready, also the TF should also be running the trips
  LowndesJ515 #TeamRog

Location: Not in Victoria
None of the line is currently in use. The status of the Cowra - Holmwood section will change to Operational hopefully sometime this year.

Is there a compelling reason why I hope new traffic?
bevans
Tourist Line only. Eventually get to Woodstock. LVR running the line. 140K federal grant announced last year to kick start it.

https://www.cowraguardian.com.au/story/6763260/movement-at-the-station-golden-age-of-rail-to-return-to-cowra/
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
This freight wasn't on rail at the time and was prospective.  Weddin shire still has the report online. Refer to page 19 for where it says there would be 9000 TEU per year each way (9000 up, 9000 down).  Plenty of other interesting volume there too.

This of course needs to be updated but there were some decent existing volumes identified at the time.

http://www.weddin.nsw.gov.au/Media/WeddinShireCouncil/Engineering/SamromReport.pdf
james.au

Here is an announcement from Nestle https://www.nestle.com.au/en/media/pressreleases/nestle-purina-petcare-creates-100-jobs-and-invests-65m-in-nsw-central-west on the recent development.  Would the development if they used rail accomodate a siding to the plant obviously lowering costs?

Is there any hope for fresh produce from the lower end of the line around Young?  

NSWRAIL.NET has the line as open clearly not correct

https://nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:blayney_demondrille
  catchpoint Assistant Commissioner

Location: At the end of a loop
Here is an announcement from Nestle https://www.nestle.com.au/en/media/pressreleases/nestle-purina-petcare-creates-100-jobs-and-invests-65m-in-nsw-central-west on the recent development.  Would the development if they used rail accomodate a siding to the plant obviously lowering costs?

Is there any hope for fresh produce from the lower end of the line around Young?  

NSWRAIL.NET has the line as open clearly not correct

https://nswrail.net/lines/show.php?name=NSW:blayney_demondrille
NSWGR8022

Umm - willing to stand corrected but the Purina Factory at Blayney is connected to rail - it already has its own siding (source: personal recollection, NSWRail.net shows photos of the Purina siding and Google Maps), Although i seem to recall that it has not been used in quite awhile, Nestle it would seem have chosen road over rail....

I also note that the press release you link to is dated 2014...

Regards,

Catchpoint

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