Premier Dan announces Western Distributor off Westgate AND a new tunnel

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 30 Apr 2015 19:55
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Those large road projects in Melbourne look like being very hard to sell to the voting public with the climate change things happening.

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  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
"Clearly the environment study was botched...."  oh come on @Carnot.

Why would you think that they have built a massive treatment plant on site for contaminated soil.?

The study WAS done and corrective action planned. It's  all about how well(not) the contractor did their sums.

The current nonsense is all about money, money, money. And the Vic taxpayer is not going to pay it.

cheers
John
  Carnot Minister for Railways
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently it's the PFAS contamination and who pays to treat it which is the main sticking point.  The EPA introduced stricter rules on PFAS last October:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/west-gate-tunnel-in-limbo-as-government-companies-argue-over-contaminated-soil-20200122-p53tnm.html

Seeing that the serial rent-seeker Transurban is awash with cash but doesn't want to pay for cleaning it up, the Govt should take them to court and ban them from any future toll road projects.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Brown stuff hitting the fan now with John Holland & CPB wanting to "Walk away" from the contract to build it.
http://www.3aw.com.au/west-gate-tunnel-in-doubt-as-builder-threatens-to-terminate-contract/

The West Gate Tunnel project is in doubt after the consortium contracted to build the $6.7 billion project has revealed it wants to walk away.
Transurban has told the stock exchange that builders John Holland and CPB have advised that due to contaminated soil on the project site, they intend to abandon the project.
But Transurban says it believes the project will still go ahead and the joint venture builders do not have grounds to terminate the contract.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Apparently it's the PFAS contamination and who pays to treat it which is the main sticking point.  The EPA introduced stricter rules on PFAS last October:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/west-gate-tunnel-in-limbo-as-government-companies-argue-over-contaminated-soil-20200122-p53tnm.html

Seeing that the serial rent-seeker Transurban is awash with cash but doesn't want to pay for cleaning it up, the Govt should take them to court and ban them from any future toll road projects.
Carnot
Settle down Carnot, I got a heap of shares in Transurban,the other mob can pay. Or the taxpayer.Razz
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently it's the PFAS contamination and who pays to treat it which is the main sticking point.  The EPA introduced stricter rules on PFAS last October:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/west-gate-tunnel-in-limbo-as-government-companies-argue-over-contaminated-soil-20200122-p53tnm.html

Seeing that the serial rent-seeker Transurban is awash with cash but doesn't want to pay for cleaning it up, the Govt should take them to court and ban them from any future toll road projects.
Settle down Carnot, I got a heap of shares in Transurban,the other mob can pay. Or the taxpayer.Razz
wobert
Jacinta says:


I have to laugh.  No contractor would want to go anywhere near this disaster.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Dan Andrews drags out the baseball bat:


Lawyers will be circling....
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This really is turning into a smeg FEST for the government and at a time when mega road projects are on the nose and climate change action is demanded.

Interestingly the CPB company who has pulled out have also pulled out of the NEL.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It gets worse.

RTBU won't use the Wyndham Vale rail yard if the Govt allows the dumping of toxic waste right next to it.  I'm with the RTBU on this one 100%.

Cancel the project now.  That is all.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It gets worse.

RTBU won't use the Wyndham Vale rail yard if the Govt allows the dumping of toxic waste right next to it.  I'm with the RTBU on this one 100%.

Cancel the project now.  That is all.
Carnot

Looking like a really disaster now ore pressure being placed

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/v-line-services-threatened-as-rail-workers-refuse-to-work-on-toxic-soil-dump-site

Now we have no location in the state to dump this waste as every community will protest.  The project needs to be cancelled but shame the large amount of damage at the city end to valuable rail yards has already happened.

What did Transurban pay for the land at the rail yard as it has been turned over to them?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's gone to the next level:

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Just when you thought the problem was solved.  let's start dumping toxic waste and not tell anyone where it is going

  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Shocking decision.  Just appalling.

  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Shocking decision.  Just appalling.
bevans
If this soil was dumped in 2018 no one would have cared, because the EPA would have said it was fine then.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Well, well, well, the EPA reverses all previous approvals:



The project should be ditched...
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Latest reports from Jacinta states the tunnelling has cease in any case until the problem is solved.  This is really now looking like a disaster for the Transurban Company and not so for the good people of the Marsh.

This is what you get when you lie about the issues at the time of the projects announcement.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Another big fail with the West Gate Tunnel project - apparently they're having all sorts of trouble trying to import Chinese made steel...

It's reported in the Herald Sun tonight (behind paywall).
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The latest is that it won't be completed in 2023.  This disaster will be an Exhibit of "How not to build an infrastructure project" in University textbooks for decades to come.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/west-gate-tunnel-s-2023-completion-date-unachievable-20210211-p571gm.html

Transurban also had a half-year loss of over $400 million.

More info here:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/melbournes-west-gate-tunnel-project-to-blow-out-by-two-years/13143720

So a $680 million project will end up costing $10 billion.  A pathetic and shameful episode.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

It's in the news again.

Tunneling won't commence until 2022 now.  I would also like to know which crossbenchers were responsible for blocking this motion:

https://sunburymacedonranges.starweekly.com.au/news/soil-vote-kick-in-the-guts/
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
It's in the news again.

Tunneling won't commence until 2022 now.  I would also like to know which crossbenchers were responsible for blocking this motion:

https://sunburymacedonranges.starweekly.com.au/news/soil-vote-kick-in-the-guts/
Carnot

The entire project is a mess and should never have been allowed to proceed.  I now believe they knew about the soil issues but went ahead anyhow.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I dug into Hansard from 9th June.  Makes for interesting reading:
https://parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/daily-hansard/Council_2021/Legislative_Council_2021-06-09.pdf

Cross-benchers Andy Meddick, Tim Quilty and David Limbrick caved in and sided with the Government.  Patten was missing, while Samantha Ratnam of the Greens, to her credit, sided with the LNP. (pg. 57)

These stood out to me:
- 251000 truck movements on Sunbury Road expected over an 18 month period carting the PFAS contaminated soil to Sunbury/Bulla.
- The Govt keeps harping on about a 20 minute reduction in travel time on the Westgate.  Absolute BS - it'll be back to what it was in no time.

It's an absolute disaster.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I think I just swore at my coffee this morning:

  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
@Carnot a disaster is the only way to describe it. It is an environmental disaster in the build and the operating once built.

It is a financial disaster. It is a disaster for
Motorists who will never use it.

It will be a massive bridge road around the docks on 1 km from the Melbourne city. It will drive more traffic into the city when the local governments are narrowing the roads around Melbourne city.

It will not take trucks off the roads it will increase then. It will add to pollution.

It will suck funds for years which could have been spent on other projects.

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