Welcome to Biden Town

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Israilfan
Please read first and if needed, re read, before responding with drivel about the USA.

You need to re read what DD wrote in his earlier post.
He was talking about Australia not the USA.

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.
SAR520SMBH
I would rethink your post if you find yourself agreeing with DD on anything CV-19.

The seasonal Flu is normally an uncontrolled virus that spreads amongst the community at will due to its lower death rate of ~0.33%, so tolerated by the govt as its impact on hospitals is limited. Annually around 300,000 Aussies get the flu.

CV-19 in Australia is a heavily limited community spread virus with a known death rate of 2.5 to 3.5%, depending on the country.

Sweden with a population of 10m and comparable to Australia in culture, living standards etc has 600,000 cases with 12,000 dead, scaled up to Australia hats 1.5m infected, 30,000 dead.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What is the name of the test that is one hundred percent able to pick up psychopaths with sexual intent?
Probably a similar one to the one used to pick up 100% stupid.
wobert
So you don't actually know what you're talking about but you have the temerity to call me stupid. Got it.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
CV-19 in Australia is a heavily limited community spread virus with a known death rate of 2.5 to 3.5%, depending on the country.
RTT_Rules
That death rate doesn't translate to Australia and the Australian climate and health systems. Back to school for you.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
What is the name of the test that is one hundred percent able to pick up psychopaths with sexual intent?
Probably a similar one to the one used to pick up 100% stupid.
So you don't actually know what you're talking about but you have the temerity to call me stupid. Got it.
don_dunstan
I didn't make any claims about transgender people, your the the self proclaimed expert on transgender issues.  As for calling you stupid, I can't really recall directly calling you stupid, but if the cap fits.....
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
You think you know the answer based on your own personal experience then? Weren't you telling me on the last page that I couldn't make that judgement because I'm not a doctor - and yet here you are doing just that.
"don_dunstan"
Wrong conclusion again as usual. I asked about the origin of your information on Biden's condition; nothing more, nothing less.  I based my comment upon my own experience of closely observing and monitoring the progress of vascular dementia (something I hope you never have to do.)
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Tend to agree with Valvegear on Biden's medical status. Unless you know, you comment is meaningless. Remember Trump harped on for years about Obama's birth certificate. No one else gived a F, but he tried to make a case about it and failed.

Yes, Dan the Man's statement of late have lacked smarts, but comments from you. "disease that isn't even that deadly", is equally as stupid.
It isn't as deadly as influenza in Australia - more people die in a typical flu season.

We've had three COVID19 fatalities in Australia of people under sixty. Three.
Actually you're wrong, Covid is three times as deadly as the normal flu.
Source?

Everything that I've read says that you really need to be sick with something else before COVID is any threat to your health - like this Lancet meta-study. Also COVID19 most affects the elderly as opposed to influenza - there's almost no pediatric cases of COVID19 in hospitals where as flu can kill you at almost any age. COVID19 really isn't as bad as we're being told it is.
Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu (healthline.com)- Happy?
Are you going to rebut my claim here, or are you going to stick with you're right wing conspiracy claim that it's "no worse than the flu"??
Israilfan
Please read first and if needed, re read, before responding with drivel about the USA.

You need to re read what DD wrote in his earlier post.
He was talking about Australia not the USA.

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.
SAR520SMBH
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Tend to agree with Valvegear on Biden's medical status. Unless you know, you comment is meaningless. Remember Trump harped on for years about Obama's birth certificate. No one else gived a F, but he tried to make a case about it and failed.

Yes, Dan the Man's statement of late have lacked smarts, but comments from you. "disease that isn't even that deadly", is equally as stupid.
It isn't as deadly as influenza in Australia - more people die in a typical flu season.

We've had three COVID19 fatalities in Australia of people under sixty. Three.
Actually you're wrong, Covid is three times as deadly as the normal flu.
Source?

Everything that I've read says that you really need to be sick with something else before COVID is any threat to your health - like this Lancet meta-study. Also COVID19 most affects the elderly as opposed to influenza - there's almost no pediatric cases of COVID19 in hospitals where as flu can kill you at almost any age. COVID19 really isn't as bad as we're being told it is.
Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu (healthline.com)- Happy?
Are you going to rebut my claim here, or are you going to stick with you're right wing conspiracy claim that it's "no worse than the flu"??
Israilfan
Please read first and if needed, re read, before responding with drivel about the USA.

You need to re read what DD wrote in his earlier post.
He was talking about Australia not the USA.

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
lsrailfan
Sorry but to say that the Flu is more deadly is just plain wrong. There has been measures against COVID-19. People that have died from COVID would not have died from the flu. The Flu does not claim as many people between 30 and 50 as has COVID-19. According to the CDC for 2019-20 38 Million infections from the flu, resulting in 22,000 deaths. For COVID-19 19 Million infections resulting in over 300,000 deaths. COVID-19 is far more virulent than the Flu and far more deadly, even though most will have mild symptoms, if you have a co-morbidity than COVID-19 will kill.

Having said that I do not think that shutting the whole state down for 1 or 2 cases is the way to go.

Michael
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Tend to agree with Valvegear on Biden's medical status. Unless you know, you comment is meaningless. Remember Trump harped on for years about Obama's birth certificate. No one else gived a F, but he tried to make a case about it and failed.

Yes, Dan the Man's statement of late have lacked smarts, but comments from you. "disease that isn't even that deadly", is equally as stupid.
It isn't as deadly as influenza in Australia - more people die in a typical flu season.

We've had three COVID19 fatalities in Australia of people under sixty. Three.
Actually you're wrong, Covid is three times as deadly as the normal flu.
Source?

Everything that I've read says that you really need to be sick with something else before COVID is any threat to your health - like this Lancet meta-study. Also COVID19 most affects the elderly as opposed to influenza - there's almost no pediatric cases of COVID19 in hospitals where as flu can kill you at almost any age. COVID19 really isn't as bad as we're being told it is.
Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu (healthline.com)- Happy?
Are you going to rebut my claim here, or are you going to stick with you're right wing conspiracy claim that it's "no worse than the flu"??
Israilfan
Please read first and if needed, re read, before responding with drivel about the USA.

You need to re read what DD wrote in his earlier post.
He was talking about Australia not the USA.

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
Sorry but to say that the Flu is more deadly is just plain wrong. There has been measures against COVID-19. People that have died from COVID would not have died from the flu. The Flu does not claim as many people between 30 and 50 as has COVID-19. According to the CDC for 2019-20 38 Million infections from the flu, resulting in 22,000 deaths. For COVID-19 19 Million infections resulting in over 300,000 deaths. COVID-19 is far more virulent than the Flu and far more deadly, even though most will have mild symptoms, if you have a co-morbidity than COVID-19 will kill. The reason why Australia has had low figures because we and NZ have been strict end of. UK has 117,000 dead and I would hazard a guess that a fair proportion are youngsters.

Having said that I do not think that shutting the whole state down for 1 or 2 cases is the way to go.

Michael
mejhammers1
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Tend to agree with Valvegear on Biden's medical status. Unless you know, you comment is meaningless. Remember Trump harped on for years about Obama's birth certificate. No one else gived a F, but he tried to make a case about it and failed.

Yes, Dan the Man's statement of late have lacked smarts, but comments from you. "disease that isn't even that deadly", is equally as stupid.
It isn't as deadly as influenza in Australia - more people die in a typical flu season.

We've had three COVID19 fatalities in Australia of people under sixty. Three.
Actually you're wrong, Covid is three times as deadly as the normal flu.
Source?

Everything that I've read says that you really need to be sick with something else before COVID is any threat to your health - like this Lancet meta-study. Also COVID19 most affects the elderly as opposed to influenza - there's almost no pediatric cases of COVID19 in hospitals where as flu can kill you at almost any age. COVID19 really isn't as bad as we're being told it is.
Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu (healthline.com)- Happy?
Are you going to rebut my claim here, or are you going to stick with you're right wing conspiracy claim that it's "no worse than the flu"??
Israilfan
Please read first and if needed, re read, before responding with drivel about the USA.

You need to re read what DD wrote in his earlier post.
He was talking about Australia not the USA.

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
Sorry but to say that the Flu is more deadly is just plain wrong. There has been measures against COVID-19. People that have died from COVID would not have died from the flu. The Flu does not claim as many people between 30 and 50 as has COVID-19. According to the CDC for 2019-20 38 Million infections from the flu, resulting in 22,000 deaths. For COVID-19 19 Million infections resulting in over 300,000 deaths. COVID-19 is far more virulent than the Flu and far more deadly, even though most will have mild symptoms, if you have a co-morbidity than COVID-19 will kill.

Having said that I do not think that shutting the whole state down for 1 or 2 cases is the way to go.

Michael
mejhammers1
Indeed, which is more or less what I have said, and yes, shutting down a whole state for just a few cases is absurd.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
CV-19 in Australia is a heavily limited community spread virus with a known death rate of 2.5 to 3.5%, depending on the country.
That death rate doesn't translate to Australia and the Australian climate and health systems. Back to school for you.
don_dunstan
Yourself and SAR 520 who agreed with your stupid comment need to wakeup.

Australia by and large has had only a minor number of infections. 29,000 total, for a country of 25m compared to Sweden's 600,000 infections for a population of 10m.

Number of infections has nothing to do with the health system and the climate impact has helped Sth Africa or many south American countries.

So back to the padded cell for you Don and now you have a room mate.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
lsrailfan
Nice, then why did you previously support Don's crap claim that the CV is less deadly than seasonal flu?

Seasonal Flu numbers are around 1000.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
Nice, then why did you previously support Don's crap claim that the CV is less deadly than seasonal flu?

Seasonal Flu numbers are around 1000.
RTT_Rules
Evidence that I have supported him?? as far as I know, I have ALWAYS stated that Covid-19 is far more deadly than the seasonal flu, If I did say anything to the contrary, I was wrong and a slipup on my part...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If Covid got a strong foothold in this country (which is good that it hasn't, so far), then I think you will find that it would be a whole lot more annual deaths than the flu, annual deaths from the flu in this country range from about 3,000-4,000. let's look at the U.S in comparison, it ranged from 12,000-61,000 from about 2010-2017, covid has claimed a lot more, let's look at United Kingdom, from what I can gather the high end has been 28,000 odd, covid has claimed a lot higher.
Nice, then why did you previously support Don's crap claim that the CV is less deadly than seasonal flu?

Seasonal Flu numbers are around 1000.
Evidence that I have supported him?? as far as I know, I have ALWAYS stated that Covid-19 is far more deadly than the seasonal flu, If I did say anything to the contrary, I was wrong and a slipup on my part...
lsrailfan
Sorry bloke, my bad, I got two posters mixed up, SAR502??? was responding to you with his Right Wing conspiracy theories supporting Don (see Don, that's how you acknowledge you made a mistake Laughing).

Covid is not as deadly in Australia as the flu is, there's no right wing conspiracy theory claims there.

I don't find myself agreeing with DD very much at all, but he's right here.


  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Indeed, which is more or less what I have said, and yes, shutting down a whole state for just a few cases is absurd.
lsrailfan

You are of course entitled to your opinion.

The highway patrol were covering Ballan to Daylesford, around 30 km over the weekend and basically pulling most cars over to establish their bona-fides. For the uninitiated, Daylesford has become one of those friendly, trendy towns in the Victorian Great Divide and a tourist mecca due to its health giving mineral spa's and other accoutrements.

If any person with the virus was travelling and human nature being what it is...there has to be a degree of mistrust by the authorities that a percentage of people will do the wrong thing and couldn't care less about their actions then the government on the advice of the best experts in the field dealing with this made the correct call.

Dan isn't doing this to ensure he get's re-elected.

Mike.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka

Dan isn't doing this to ensure he get's re-elected.

Mike.
The Vinelander
But he will, by the length of the Flemington Straight. And so he should.  And remember kiddies, vote early and vote often, and put Murdock last.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Why are we discussing COVID-19 in a thread about Biden? There is a thread dedicated to the virus f f s.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Why are we discussing COVID-19 in a thread about Biden? There is a thread dedicated to the virus f f s.
Valvegear
Don is a virus
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Why are we discussing COVID-19 in a thread about Biden? There is a thread dedicated to the virus f f s.
Valvegear
Sorry mate, just trying to correct Don's BS arguments. he started it.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Why are we discussing COVID-19 in a thread about Biden? There is a thread dedicated to the virus f f s.
Valvegear
Don is a virus
wobert
Sorry mate, just trying to correct Don's BS arguments. he started it.
Israilfan
So much love for me all in the one forum! Stop it, girls, you're making me blush.
I didn't make any claims about transgender people, your the the self proclaimed expert on transgender issues. As for calling you stupid, I can't really recall directly calling you stupid, but if the cap fits.....
wobert
I happen to know a lot more about this stuff than you do - and that's all I want to say.

Sex offenders and devious, smart and manipulative - they can be teenagers or very old men. They're all about building trust with the parents of their target and with the community in general and they often worm their way to positions of authority.

Of course not all transgender teenage boys are going to be perverts in waiting, some of them will be genuinely 'trapped in a boy's body' kind of scenario. But if you're a teenage sexual predator looking to gain access to naked young girls then they've just given them a golden ticket in the form of "transgender" legislation that says they only have to identify as a girl in order to gain access to the girl's change-rooms.

Forensic psychology is woefully inadequate in being able to spot offenders and the reason is just exactly as I've spelled it out - sex offenders are devious, calculating and often very intelligent (the successful ones are anyway) and they know exactly what to say and do in order to not raise red flags which is why psychometric testing to try and weed out those people is so hit-and-miss.

All this is just my (informed) opinion however and I really don't care if you think I'm wrong or right.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
CV-19 in Australia is a heavily limited community spread virus with a known death rate of 2.5 to 3.5%, depending on the country.
That death rate doesn't translate to Australia and the Australian climate and health systems. Back to school for you.
Yourself and SAR 520 who agreed with your stupid comment need to wakeup.

Australia by and large has had only a minor number of infections. 29,000 total, for a country of 25m compared to Sweden's 600,000 infections for a population of 10m.

Number of infections has nothing to do with the health system and the climate impact has helped Sth Africa or many south American countries.

So back to the padded cell for you Don and now you have a room mate.
RTT_Rules
Luck of the draw - we're relatively isolated and could do that.

What makes you think the morbidity rate across nations would be the same? Across age groups? Across co-morbidities?

Short answer is you don't know - you're comparing apples with oranges.

*Insert witty insult here*
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Luck of the draw - we're relatively isolated and could do that.

What makes you think the morbidity rate across nations would be the same? Across age groups? Across co-morbidities?

Short answer is you don't know - you're comparing apples with oranges.

*Insert witty insult here*
don_dunstan
...and we are back, Rolling Eyes

What makes you think the morbidity rate across nations would be the same? Across age groups? Across co-morbidities?

I didn't realise the Australian population made up of 98% immigrants over 230 years have mutated in that time frame to such an extent they are now a biologically superhuman and thus immune to this bug.  

Why don't you spend some time comparing the data from various like countries. Also before even looking at them, why not spend a few minutes just looking at the impact of the Vic outbreak, which was quickly contained and not a major outbreak by any means.

Short answer is, the death rate of the virus in Australia to date is 3% and aligned with most western countries and in general global trends, despite all the crap you have harped on about why Australia would be better off and what you failed to mention that many of the infected are returning Aussies which typically are younger and healthier and its still overall 3%.

Yes Don, your comments are an insult to common sense.


Unfortunately, you will come back with more waffle....Crying or Very sad
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I happen to know a lot more about this stuff than you do - and that's all I want to say.
"don_dunstan"
And your qualification for this statement is ? ? ?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...and we are back, Rolling Eyes

What makes you think the morbidity rate across nations would be the same? Across age groups? Across co-morbidities?

I didn't realise the Australian population made up of 98% immigrants over 230 years have mutated in that time frame to such an extent they are now a biologically superhuman and thus immune to this bug.  

Why don't you spend some time comparing the data from various like countries. Also before even looking at them, why not spend a few minutes just looking at the impact of the Vic outbreak, which was quickly contained and not a major outbreak by any means.

Short answer is, the death rate of the virus in Australia to date is 3% and aligned with most western countries and in general global trends, despite all the crap you have harped on about why Australia would be better off and what you failed to mention that many of the infected are returning Aussies which typically are younger and healthier and its still overall 3%.
RTT_Rules
What the buggery blazes are you talking about with similar gene pools? I'm talking about the capacity of our health system to cope AND the kinds of comorbidity that we'd see here.

We can't tell how Australia's health system would have actually coped with a large-scale breakout because 'only' 30,000 or so cases and slightly less than a thousand fatalies.

You cannot extrapolate that into a large scale event in Australia, we don't know how things would go is the answer.
Yes Don, your comments are an insult to common sense. Unfortunately, you will come back with more waffle....Crying or Very sad
RTT_Rules
Says the King of Waffle.
And your qualification for this statement is ? ? ?
Valvegear
I don't want to talk on a public forum about how I'm better qualified than you are to talk about sex-offenders, gender-identity issues, etc.

If you are really interested then PM me.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
THE BIDEN PLAN TO BUILD A MODERN, SUSTAINABLE INFRASTRUCTURE AND AN EQUITABLE CLEAN ENERGY FUTURE






  • Sparking the second great railroad revolution. Biden will make sure that America has the cleanest, safest, and fastest rail system in the world — for both passengers and freight. His rail revolution will reduce pollution, connect workers to good union jobs, slash commute times, and spur investment in communities that will now be better linked to major metropolitan areas. To speed that work, Biden will tap existing federal grant and loan programs at the U.S. Department of Transportation, and improve and streamline the loan process. In addition, Biden will work with Amtrak and private freight rail companies to further electrify the rail system, reducing diesel fuel emissions.
  • Revolutionizing municipal transit networks. Most Americans do not have access to high-quality and zero-emissions options for affordable, reliable public transportation; and where transit exists, it’s often in need of repair. As a result, workers and families rely on cars and trucks, which can be a big financial burden and clog roadways. Biden will aim to provide all Americans in municipalities of more than 100,000 people with quality public transportation by 2030. He will allocate flexible federal investments with strong labor protections to help cities and towns install light rail networks and improve existing transit and bus lines. He’ll also help them invest in infrastructure for pedestrians, cyclists, and riders of e-scooters and other micro-mobility vehicles and integrate technologies like machine-learning optimized traffic lights. And, Biden will work to make sure that new, fast-growing areas are designed and built with clean and resilient public transit in mind. Specifically, he will create a new program that gives rapidly expanding communities the resources to build in public transit options from the start.



Now, this excerpt from Joe Biden'e election campaign concentrates on his transport policy. He hopes to implement substantial environmentally friendly changes before 2030.

https://joebiden.com/clean-energy/

We can watch and see as his term progresses and the changes that will inevitably come along.
I note a subscriber further up these pages said the Biden administration is against fracking.

Who isn't.Question

Biden along with many environmentalists knows that fracking will soon be replaced by more environmentally friendly energy sources and sustainable energy generation.

Mike.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Damn radical socialists

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