The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
I predict that the restrictions will ease, ie up to 5 in a house, 15 in a venue, masks indoors etc, not back to where we were a week ago.
Remember it is a wicked, wicked virus that travels at extraordinary speed (faster than our contract tracers).

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
My view is that all returning Australian's should only go to the state of their residence, thus the state Premiers decisions affect their people and only their people and that states that are forcing excessive delays in people returning to Australia or repeated bumping is fully visible.
If that is true, then you totally accept that if each state has weaknesses, then so be it. Yet in your hyperbole laced diatribe a couple of pages ago you actually wished Dan Andrews harm because of the current situation in Victoria.

So what's the problem? What's the point of complaining about how one state compares against the other regarding hotel quarantine?

You yourself, said that if Dan can't manage the situation then he should hand that responsibility over to someone who can. Given your tacit agreement regarding the ineptitude of his opposite number, you must mean that Vic quarantine should be shut down and NSW and SA (for example) should be made to take Victoria bound returning travelers instead. Now you're saying that they shouldn't?
I wished Dan the Man to leave the building because its clear their repeated mistakes are causing harm to both the Vic economy and the Australian economy as well as preventing 1000's of expat Victorians and others from returning to their country.

Regards
Shane
RTT_Rules

Perhaps before you throw sand at us Shane from afar, you go back a few days to your report about the Arabs dropping like flies etc due to COVID-19, very little in the way of social distancing or the wearing of PPE and all the other details you advised us.

Your comments about the Victorian government beggar belief about a total absence of knowledge of the Westminster system of government.

Perhaps you are also unaware the locals are happy for the 'expats' to languish just where they are and not bring the virus back to Australia. Bad luck for you and others but that's the general public mood

Mike.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Come on, billy; it was a joking reference to masks. It's hardly worth any comment, much less the accusation of "sex pest". dfj01 can't help what happened in front of his eyes, and a little humour like his is completely harmless.
Valvegear
Before I make any more comments on this site I really should say thank you to @Valvegear for this defence, it was and is appreciated.  Tempting as it is to thank Billy for his kind - and if I may say so quite flattering - offer, that might see me cease being a menace to society - in all seriousness @billybaxter had a point: I got frustrated with @RRT_Rule's endless dribble and in ridiculing it, I made an unnecessarily sexist comment.  Judging by the reaction I hit the mark, but worse it provoked an equally unnecessary racist comment from Shane.  Even more to the point, it's all off topic (which is why I stuck to sarcastic rather than serious replies more benefiting Twitter than Railpage).  At least @Aaron's trolls of me are more or less on topic.

An analogy is over-use of antibiotics breeding "superbugs".
That is not at all how vaccination and immunity works.
Antibiotics and “superbugs” are a terrible analogy.
Aaron

That's why it's an analogy, compressing 150 years of evolutionary microbiology into a 3 word slogan. A few days after you posted that, Dr Larisa Labzin, (Institute for Molecular Bioscience, The University of Queensland) made the exact same point using the same analogy on Coronacast


If I need a COVID vaccine to travel then I will get myself stuck with AstraZeneca here then fly to Poland and get a mRNA version there.
Aaron


I'm sure you won't pay terribly much regard to my opinion on this matter, but I would very much caution you (or anyone) against that approach, or importing your own Pfiezer vaccine.  The Pfeizer Vaccine is "only" 95% effective, and takes weeks/months to achieve that.  While we maintain Hotel Quarantine and a suppression strategy in Australia, you are far safer here unvaccinated.  The issue with parallel importation as @RTT_Rules has pointed out, is ensuring the integrity of the cold chain.  You could end up giving yourself a placebo (or worse), and you'd never know, and you certainly wouldn't have anyone to sue for compensation if it all goes pear shaped.

That said, I fully support your desire to be vaccinated with Pfiezer over AZ, which IMHO on the data available, simply isn't fit for purpose (ie to "end" the pandemic, as distinct from protecting people, all else being equal).  I'm hanging out for Pfeizer's shareholder priority scheme.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'.... That said, I fully support your desire to be vaccinated with Pfiezer over AZ, which IMHO on the data available, simply isn't fit for purpose (ie to "end" the pandemic, as distinct from protecting people, all else being equal).  I'm hanging out for Pfeizer's shareholder priority scheme. ...'

Seems to be the view of many that the Pfizer vaccine is broadly superior to the AstraZeneca (AZ) but I have seen it quoted that Pfizer costs 5 times the price of AZ (Pfizer - $20 v AZ - $4). There is no prize for guessing which vaccine will be favoured by Morrison and Co.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

'.... That said, I fully support your desire to be vaccinated with Pfiezer over AZ, which IMHO on the data available, simply isn't fit for purpose (ie to "end" the pandemic, as distinct from protecting people, all else being equal).  I'm hanging out for Pfeizer's shareholder priority scheme. ...'

Seems to be the view of many that the Pfizer vaccine is broadly superior to the AstraZeneca (AZ) but I have seen it quoted that Pfizer costs 5 times the price of AZ (Pfizer - $20 v AZ - $4). There is no prize for guessing which vaccine will be favoured by Morrison and Co.
YM-Mundrabilla
Is there any doubt which vaccine Morrison and co will be administered with?
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
So once more the Do-Nothing Fraser Government, woops I mean the do even less Abbott Turnbull Morrison Government is reneging on it's responsibilities and a State Premier has to step into the breach


https://www.theage.com.au/national/new-cabin-style-quarantine-just-a-matter-of-how-big-and-where-andrews-says-20210216-p572xb.html
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
'.... That said, I fully support your desire to be vaccinated with Pfiezer over AZ, which IMHO on the data available, simply isn't fit for purpose (ie to "end" the pandemic, as distinct from protecting people, all else being equal).  I'm hanging out for Pfeizer's shareholder priority scheme. ...'

Seems to be the view of many that the Pfizer vaccine is broadly superior to the AstraZeneca (AZ) but I have seen it quoted that Pfizer costs 5 times the price of AZ (Pfizer - $20 v AZ - $4). There is no prize for guessing which vaccine will be favoured by Morrison and Co.
Is there any doubt which vaccine Morrison and co will be administered with?
michaelgm
Zyklon B hopefully
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I'll qualify that by saying only a couple of weeks ago he (Morrison) glad handled an Australian of the year, yet has covered up the alleged rape of an LNP staffer for two years
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Is there any doubt which vaccine Morrison and co will be administered with?
"michaelgm"
Foot in Mouth disease seems appropriate.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
The Coronavirus vaccines are expected to be rolled out from next Monday, with healthcare workers and aged care workers set to be the first in line.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Now where getting back to normal Shane. Anyways, what gets me is that Premier Dan  stands at his presser for 2 hours just like DB said, and when Gladys was under the pump with the Northern Beaches outbreak, which still seems a bit of a mystery, she would read a short statement, take 3 questions and just walk off before the going got tough. Funny that. As Premier Dan would say, "just a Liberal."



That"ll get a bite

Greg Hunt bragging about "the eagle has landed" With this bunch of Federal do nothings, I'm more inclined to think it's more Al Bundy. The Agarn has landed.
wobert
Don't watch the Presser's, if she did she did. Tend to feel most do this to a point. Answer a few questions and then leave as Journo's are fighting to justify their jobs by asking rehashed questions. I would have thought 2h for a Premier to stand there and answer questions is getting a bit on and that he would have better things to do, surely 15-20min and that's enough. Maybe why NSW doesn't have lock downs as the Leadership team are using their time more effectively?

When the first issue kicked off in Vic and Dan put the state into a 2mth lockdown, I didn't call for his resignation. I stated here, they screwed up, they know it even if they cannot recall it, but they know it and they are fixing the problem. Not the time for leadership change.

However...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
'.... That said, I fully support your desire to be vaccinated with Pfiezer over AZ, which IMHO on the data available, simply isn't fit for purpose (ie to "end" the pandemic, as distinct from protecting people, all else being equal).  I'm hanging out for Pfeizer's shareholder priority scheme. ...'

Seems to be the view of many that the Pfizer vaccine is broadly superior to the AstraZeneca (AZ) but I have seen it quoted that Pfizer costs 5 times the price of AZ (Pfizer - $20 v AZ - $4). There is no prize for guessing which vaccine will be favoured by Morrison and Co.
YM-Mundrabilla

AZ can be mass produced faster and easier to transport and roll out. AZ also has a number of manufacturing sites were as Pfizer does not.

For 5 x the price, 10 x the complexity for logistics and manufacturing, I struggle to see why any country would buy Pfizer in significant quantities.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
According to the Age, 3000 people are in isolation and being managed by Vic Health Dept. Sheesh, imagine if they were all running around.  And the logistics involved in tracing and monitoring all that.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Heap of Covid casualties being moved from the Holiday Inn in town due to a 'burst sprinkler main'. I wonder if one of the inmates got a bit bored or fed up and set it off ????????????????? Rolling Eyes
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
The unions and Labor are complaining that JobKeeper is being wound up. For God's sake if you don't have a job to go back to after almost 12 months after this thing started then it doesn't exist any longer, time to move on!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

AZ can be mass produced faster and easier to transport and roll out. AZ also has a number of manufacturing sites were as Pfizer does not.

For 5 x the price, 10 x the complexity for logistics and manufacturing, I struggle to see why any country would buy Pfizer in significant quantities.
RTT_Rules
Pfizer do have multiple manufacturing sites in numerous nations, but neither of their Australian facilities have mRNA capability.

The AstraZeneca and shonky Chinese ones damn well should be cheaper, because they have a fraction of the efficacy against the mutant strains currently (the UK and South African variants) and in the future.

Any nation that is serious about eliminating COVID-19 within their borders will have a long-term strategy of using the partial vaccines only as a temporary suppression measure pending further manufacturing of mRNA vaccines for those who missed out the first time. I can see it being realistic that many countries will insist on mRNA vaccines being a condition of international travel.
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I am pretty sure that id Dan800 said "drink the toilet water" 50% of Melbourne wouls stick their heads in the toilet.
  RedEyeExpress Junior Train Controller

Location: Melbourne
In the meantime, an important clarification: "Mr Andrews also slammed reports bin liners were being worn by returned travellers instead of PPE."

https://bit.ly/3jUGhjV
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
I am pretty sure that id Dan800 said "drink the toilet water" 50% of Melbourne wouls stick their heads in the toilet.
theanimal
An the other 50% wouls lern how to spel. id they dont now.

Is Melboune people?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
AZ can be mass produced faster and easier to transport and roll out. AZ also has a number of manufacturing sites were as Pfizer does not.

For 5 x the price, 10 x the complexity for logistics and manufacturing, I struggle to see why any country would buy Pfizer in significant quantities.
Pfizer do have multiple manufacturing sites in numerous nations, but neither of their Australian facilities have mRNA capability.

The AstraZeneca and shonky Chinese ones damn well should be cheaper, because they have a fraction of the efficacy against the mutant strains currently (the UK and South African variants) and in the future.

Any nation that is serious about eliminating COVID-19 within their borders will have a long-term strategy of using the partial vaccines only as a temporary suppression measure pending further manufacturing of mRNA vaccines for those who missed out the first time. I can see it being realistic that many countries will insist on mRNA vaccines being a condition of international travel.
justapassenger
Pfzier has indicated that with various agreements in place and manufacturing capacity available that is more complex than others a total of 1.3 B doses can be produces by the end of 2021. Thats 650m people, I could be wrong but there are over 7B people in the world and excluding kids, preggers etc around 5B or 10B vaccines as a minimum.

It would take a massive global effort to produce 10B doses by the end of 2022.

Are the Chinese ones shonky? It would appear no as results seem to demonstrate it keeps people out of hospitals.

The Chinese and similar using 50 year old technology to produce vaccines that are almost as good as Pfizer for a fraction of the cost tht can be rolled out faster and essentially prevent hospitals from filling and allow border and other restrictions to be eased is achieving the job that needs to be done. Remember 80:20 rule. If required the limited in supply higher efficacy vaccines can reserved for those at highest risk to the virus. Basically jab the +60's etc with Pfizer at $20/ jab and the 20 somethings with something 1/4 the price and more freely available.

Using the prices you quoted (and note Israel paid 6 x more), 10B jabs of Pfizer would cost $200B and many countries simply cannot afford it and how much are you willing to fund 3rd world jabs?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Vicroria coming out of the lockdown midnight

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6232812153001
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So is it a fair assumption to say that this is the beginning of the end of the Pandemic, now that the vaccines are being rolled out around the globe?
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

So is it a fair assumption to say that this is the beginning of the end of the Pandemic, now that the vaccines are being rolled out around the globe?
lsrailfan

It's certainly an assumption.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
I'd say it's the end of the beginning (sorry Winston)
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Vicroria coming out of the lockdown midnight

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6232812153001
bevans
But we still have to wear a mask outdoors if we're less than 1.5 metres from a stranger.

Are we all living in a leper colony now as we swerve to avoid every other person and shout "Unclean, Unclean!"?

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