West Werribee Developments and rail access

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?

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  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
The Werribee - Wyndham Vale suburban extension, with 2 Intermediate railway stations will address this, If and when the Government can provide funding.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?
bevans
No plans at this stage to link Werribee to Wyndham Vale, lots of the usual "pollywaffle" about planning to plan and other meaningless statements.  When it gets done two stations one at Browns Road and the Interchange station as planned at Black Forest Road.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?
No plans at this stage to link Werribee to Wyndham Vale, lots of the usual "pollywaffle" about planning to plan and other meaningless statements.  When it gets done two stations one at Browns Road and the Interchange station as planned at Black Forest Road.
kuldalai
It would be a cheap thing to do though - a set of curves out at Manor so Tarneit services could meet the suburban service at Werribee and turn-back there.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?
No plans at this stage to link Werribee to Wyndham Vale, lots of the usual "pollywaffle" about planning to plan and other meaningless statements.  When it gets done two stations one at Browns Road and the Interchange station as planned at Black Forest Road.
It would be a cheap thing to do though - a set of curves out at Manor so Tarneit services could meet the suburban service at Werribee and turn-back there.
don_dunstan
9 month later and nothing more announced. Is the Western Rail plan ever going to be revealed - even as a future project in the next government?
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?
No plans at this stage to link Werribee to Wyndham Vale, lots of the usual "pollywaffle" about planning to plan and other meaningless statements.  When it gets done two stations one at Browns Road and the Interchange station as planned at Black Forest Road.
It would be a cheap thing to do though - a set of curves out at Manor so Tarneit services could meet the suburban service at Werribee and turn-back there.
9 month later and nothing more announced. Is the Western Rail plan ever going to be revealed - even as a future project in the next government?
Tii
Planning is underway and expected around 2022. Supposed to be fully delivered by 2032 and Vic Treasurer (whatever his name is again) confirmed it is still happening only in the last month, with a possibly faster timetable as he said it will happen within the next 5 years. Whether that means starting, or less likely, completed wasn't made clear.

Neil
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Western rail plan by 2032 is just too late. Services are needed now if you don’t want to entrench a car culture in new estates.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Friday on the overland highlighted the amount of housing now beginning to run west of Werribee on the Geelong main (not the RFR Line) and how this situation is going to need addressing.

In the next 12 months a station is going to be desperately required around 3 kms west of the current terminus.  What plans are there to build this presently?
No plans at this stage to link Werribee to Wyndham Vale, lots of the usual "pollywaffle" about planning to plan and other meaningless statements.  When it gets done two stations one at Browns Road and the Interchange station as planned at Black Forest Road.
It would be a cheap thing to do though - a set of curves out at Manor so Tarneit services could meet the suburban service at Werribee and turn-back there.
9 month later and nothing more announced. Is the Western Rail plan ever going to be revealed - even as a future project in the next government?
Planning is underway and expected around 2022. Supposed to be fully delivered by 2032 and Vic Treasurer (whatever his name is again) confirmed it is still happening only in the last month, with a possibly faster timetable as he said it will happen within the next 5 years. Whether that means starting, or less likely, completed wasn't made clear.

Neil
ngarner
Thanks Neil for the update. 2022 would line that up with the next election but 2032 seems way too far away for a completion date. I hoped we might see it by 2025 to align with the tunnel opening or shortly thereafter. Ah well- more traffic jams out west.
  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
Those of you who are keen here is a video of the track now post the level crossing removals around Werribee




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Mgx-nqeE4

PLUS



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UclXUq86uqI
  TrackRailroad Train Controller

Location: Frankston Line
Western rail plan by 2032 is just too late. Services are needed now if you don’t want to entrench a car culture in new estates.
freightgate
Agreed, Western Rail Plan is needed within the next five years, with a priority being 4 tracks from Sunshine to Deer Park West and quadruplication from Deer Park West to Wyndham Vale to seperate Vline and metro services on the Geelong line.

Ideally Melton would be electrified with seperate express tracks from Deer Park West to Melton for Ballarat services by 2025 when the Metro Tunnel opens, but not sure without solid funding commitments, if this will happen. The amount of residental growth around Melton, Rockbank, Tarneit and Wyndham Vale definitely justifies spending some large sums of money on rail infrastructure in the area.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The amount of residental growth around Melton, Rockbank, Tarneit and Wyndham Vale definitely justifies spending some large sums of money on rail infrastructure in the area.
TrackRailRoad

Unfortunately this is nothing new.

The growth in the outer west has been booming for decades now, and the spend from both state and federal governments has been pathetic. That's what you get for living in a safe ALP seat. Come election time, we get nothing while Geelong and the Bayside areas get all the politicians attention.

Take Caroline Springs for an example. That has been a massively growing suburb for 20 years now. It took until 2017 for it to finally get a railway station (although said station isn't actually located within the suburb of Caroline Springs, but in Ravenhall on the road to the states biggest landfill site. Not a pleasant spot) and it took until just 2 weeks ago for that station to get a decent frequency of trains every 20 minutes. When it opened, it only got 1 train per hour.

Ardeer and Deer Park haven't exactly been a part of country Victoria since forever, yet, they had to persist with 1 train every 2 hours until only 5 years ago.

All that said, it could be worse. Since the new timetable was introduced on the 31st of Jan, Melton with it's V/line service now gets more trains throughout the day than Sunbury with its Metro service, so not everything is terrible I suppose.

I can't wait for the next election when we all get to see politicians from both sides clambering to announce another high speed rail program for Geelong and another upgrade to Kardinia Park, while Melton, Werribee, Deer Park and everything in between gets nothing but tumbleweeds.

As I said in another thread, My Mum & Dad moved to Melton in 1981 and they were told at the time that the railway to Melbourne would be electrified in "The next few years". 40 years later and we are still told it will happen in "the next few years".

At the current rate of catching up with growth, I don't expect Melton and Wyndham Vale to be brought into the Metro fold as an electrified suburban railway until the next decade.

2032 certainly isn't good enough, but it is bang on target going by past experiences. I will continue to believe this until I see a hard commitment from the government, something that still has not happened.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

And the promise of a hospital..... again
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Safe Liberal seat here, the outer east has been virtually untouched ever since the last train stopped at Coldstream, level crossings aside.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
The amount of residental growth around Melton, Rockbank, Tarneit and Wyndham Vale definitely justifies spending some large sums of money on rail infrastructure in the area.

Unfortunately this is nothing new.

The growth in the outer west has been booming for decades now, and the spend from both state and federal governments has been pathetic. That's what you get for living in a safe ALP seat. Come election time, we get nothing while Geelong and the Bayside areas get all the politicians attention.

Take Caroline Springs for an example. That has been a massively growing suburb for 20 years now. It took until 2017 for it to finally get a railway station (although said station isn't actually located within the suburb of Caroline Springs, but in Ravenhall on the road to the states biggest landfill site. Not a pleasant spot) and it took until just 2 weeks ago for that station to get a decent frequency of trains every 20 minutes. When it opened, it only got 1 train per hour.

Ardeer and Deer Park haven't exactly been a part of country Victoria since forever, yet, they had to persist with 1 train every 2 hours until only 5 years ago.

All that said, it could be worse. Since the new timetable was introduced on the 31st of Jan, Melton with it's V/line service now gets more trains throughout the day than Sunbury with its Metro service, so not everything is terrible I suppose.

I can't wait for the next election when we all get to see politicians from both sides clambering to announce another high speed rail program for Geelong and another upgrade to Kardinia Park, while Melton, Werribee, Deer Park and everything in between gets nothing but tumbleweeds.

As I said in another thread, My Mum & Dad moved to Melton in 1981 and they were told at the time that the railway to Melbourne would be electrified in "The next few years". 40 years later and we are still told it will happen in "the next few years".

At the current rate of catching up with growth, I don't expect Melton and Wyndham Vale to be brought into the Metro fold as an electrified suburban railway until the next decade.

2032 certainly isn't good enough, but it is bang on target going by past experiences. I will continue to believe this until I see a hard commitment from the government, something that still has not happened.
Gman_86
Totally agree. I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.


Michael
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Totally agree. I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.


Michael
mejhammers1
it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time.

All three (WRP SRL MARL) have their place and should complement each other.

The money says not all aspects of all of them at the same time, but surely the common/complementary parts are the lower hanging fruit. eg sort out Sunshine station, sparks to The Marsh.

cheers
John
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Totally agree. I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.


Michael
it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time.

All three (WRP SRL MARL) have their place and should complement each other.

The money says not all aspects of all of them at the same time, but surely the common/complementary parts are the lower hanging fruit. eg sort out Sunshine station to keep everybody moving to the future.

cheers
John
justarider
The SRL can be done without and the Melbourne Airport Link is not pressing. The Airport Rail link does nothing to increase capacity of the network. What it does do is take paths from any future Melton Electric Services. Why not enhance the local bus network for the Airport in advance of the MARL? Public Transport provision for the Airport is dismal.

If you are talking about low hanging fruit then how about re-instating the Somerton link and re-route Seymour and Shepparton Trains via Upfield? This will release much needed capacity for the Craigieburn via Essendon corridor and provide and extra corridor to Craigieburn via Upfield and Coburg. Before COVID-19 the Craigieburn line was experiencing overcrowding.

Michael
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
Totally agree. I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.


Michael
it is possible to walk and chew gum at the same time.

All three (WRP SRL MARL) have their place and should complement each other.

The money says not all aspects of all of them at the same time, but surely the common/complementary parts are the lower hanging fruit. eg sort out Sunshine station to keep everybody moving to the future.

cheers
John
The SRL can be done without and the Melbourne Airport Link is not pressing. The Airport Rail link does nothing to increase capacity of the network. What it does do is take paths from any future Melton Electric Services. Why not enhance the local bus network for the Airport in advance of the MARL? Public Transport provision for the Airport is dismal.

If you are talking about low hanging fruit then how about re-instating the Somerton link and re-route Seymour and Shepparton Trains via Upfield? This will release much needed capacity for the Craigieburn via Essendon corridor and provide and extra corridor to Craigieburn via Upfield and Coburg. Before COVID-19 the Craigieburn line was experiencing overcrowding.

Michael
mejhammers1
note: I did update my post to include the Marsh sparks. (not really any point having a Vlo short starter when metro could do it)

MARL does take some paths, but really they are the ones that would have ended as a West Footscray turn-back anyways. The tunnel has the capacity to handle the 3 lines.

With the new TT is the frequency at Melton that bad. Sparks would triple the trains' capacity.

Busses. Wash your mouth, this is Railpage, the land of foam and choo choos. Not so hard to send the 903 another couple of km?

Somerton ? Upfield line still has a lot of LX , so extra traffic would be problematic.
If you want low hanging, why not sent Seymour via RRL and Albion loop. Queue the howls of derision.

cheers
John
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line

As I said in another thread, My Mum & Dad moved to Melton in 1981 and they were told at the time that the railway to Melbourne would be electrified in "The next few years". 40 years later and we are still told it will happen in "the next few years".
Gman_86

It definitely would not have been an official advice to your parents moving out to Melton in 1981. It would however have been a selling point by the Agent flogging their land to your folks. My folks were told the same thing about the Werribee line when they bought a Housing Commission house in Laverton in 1960 Exclamation

In the mid 1990's, with the echoes of the earlier slash and burn Bland and Lonie Reports still in railway employees minds there was talk during the Kennett service cut back era and after the
SG was created across the plains that Ballarat may not be able to justify even having a passenger rail service. That's how low the morale was in the PT industry at that time.

Mike.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Bacchus Marsh (instead of Melton) and Lara (instead of Wyndham Vale) should be the end of the sparks for Metro, run as a separate track pair from Sunbury/Airport (so two metro track pairs between Sunshine and the City). Gotta learn from previous mistakes, not put too many branches on one trunk line.

The Deer Park "local" lines can run via Braybrook/Highpoint and continue via Newmarket, Ardern, Flagstaff, Parliament, Jolimont before surfacing at Burnley or Hawthorn. Would then unlock 3 Burnley track pairs (Camberwell express, Camberwell local and Glen Waverley) increasing capacity out east too.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner


The SRL can be done without and the Melbourne Airport Link is not pressing. The Airport Rail link does nothing to increase capacity of the network. What it does do is take paths from any future Melton Electric Services. Why not enhance the local bus network for the Airport in advance of the MARL? Public Transport provision for the Airport is dismal.

If you are talking about low hanging fruit then how about re-instating the Somerton link and re-route Seymour and Shepparton Trains via Upfield? This will release much needed capacity for the Craigieburn via Essendon corridor and provide and extra corridor to Craigieburn via Upfield and Coburg. Before COVID-19 the Craigieburn line was experiencing overcrowding.

Michaelnote: I did update my post to include the Marsh sparks. (not really any point having a Vlo short starter when metro could do it)

MARL does take some paths, but really they are the ones that would have ended as a West Footscray turn-back anyways. The tunnel has the capacity to handle the 3 lines.

With the new TT is the frequency at Melton that bad. Sparks would triple the trains' capacity.

Busses. Wash your mouth, this is Railpage, the land of foam and choo choos. Not so hard to send the 903 another couple of km?

Somerton ? Upfield line still has a lot of LX , so extra traffic would be problematic.
If you want low hanging, why not sent Seymour via RRL and Albion loop. Queue the howls of derision.

cheers
John

MARL takes path that will eventually be needed by Sunbury and Melton. Maybe not for 10 years after opening, but just like all lines they will reach peak saturation and those 6 paths to the Airport are going too be needed at Sunbury or Melton.

In the now out dated and useless NDP Melton had 6TPH, so doubling of the current 20 minute service. During the 7 - 8 peak now, there are currently 4 short start services from Melton or Baccus. These paths would be given to WV/Geelong, WV shorts would only be servicing two station as Deer Park would be sparked. Baccus shorts go or get extended out to Ballarat.

Questions being, would the WRP build the additional stations that where proposed as part of RRL (Truganina, Sayers Road & Black Forrest Road). This would increase demand on the WV shorts, these stations are needed now as development continues to mushroom around the rail corridor.

Does the Melton sparking get done on the cheap? Do Regional Services mix with Metro stoppers too Sunshine to save the government the expense of building dedicated tracks from Melton to Sunshine.

What is the plan for WV?How does the eventual sparking interact with the proposed SRL. If Geelong services are to (stupidly) go via Newport, does the current track just get sparked and becomes the Western section of SRL.

As for the Somerton Link, this is doable now. The current LX removals of Bell Street have reduced the impacts to traffic, an extra two regional service an hour isn't going to make much difference to the remaining inner city LX's. The congestion issues with Craigieburn are the city loop, once Sunbury get pulled out there is plenty of room to boost the timetable. Maybe once the current 75 are done and we get closer to the next election 75 might turn into 100. It's a much rounder number to put on election material.

Lockie
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned

The SRL can be done without and the Melbourne Airport Link is not pressing. The Airport Rail link does nothing to increase capacity of the network. What it does do is take paths from any future Melton Electric Services. Why not enhance the local bus network for the Airport in advance of the MARL? Public Transport provision for the Airport is dismal.

If you are talking about low hanging fruit then how about re-instating the Somerton link and re-route Seymour and Shepparton Trains via Upfield? This will release much needed capacity for the Craigieburn via Essendon corridor and provide and extra corridor to Craigieburn via Upfield and Coburg. Before COVID-19 the Craigieburn line was experiencing overcrowding.

Michaelnote: I did update my post to include the Marsh sparks. (not really any point having a Vlo short starter when metro could do it)

MARL does take some paths, but really they are the ones that would have ended as a West Footscray turn-back anyways. The tunnel has the capacity to handle the 3 lines.

With the new TT is the frequency at Melton that bad. Sparks would triple the trains' capacity.

Busses. Wash your mouth, this is Railpage, the land of foam and choo choos. Not so hard to send the 903 another couple of km?

Somerton ? Upfield line still has a lot of LX , so extra traffic would be problematic.
If you want low hanging, why not sent Seymour via RRL and Albion loop. Queue the howls of derision.

cheers
John
MARL takes path that will eventually be needed by Sunbury and Melton. Maybe not for 10 years after opening, but just like all lines they will reach peak saturation and those 6 paths to the Airport are going too be needed at Sunbury or Melton.

In the now out dated and useless NDP Melton had 6TPH, so doubling of the current 20 minute service. During the 7 - 8 peak now, there are currently 4 short start services from Melton or Baccus. These paths would be given to WV/Geelong, WV shorts would only be servicing two station as Deer Park would be sparked. Baccus shorts go or get extended out to Ballarat.

Questions being, would the WRP build the additional stations that where proposed as part of RRL (Truganina, Sayers Road & Black Forrest Road). This would increase demand on the WV shorts, these stations are needed now as development continues to mushroom around the rail corridor.

Does the Melton sparking get done on the cheap? Do Regional Services mix with Metro stoppers too Sunshine to save the government the expense of building dedicated tracks from Melton to Sunshine.

What is the plan for WV?How does the eventual sparking interact with the proposed SRL. If Geelong services are to (stupidly) go via Newport, does the current track just get sparked and becomes the Western section of SRL.

As for the Somerton Link, this is doable now. The current LX removals of Bell Street have reduced the impacts to traffic, an extra two regional service an hour isn't going to make much difference to the remaining inner city LX's. The congestion issues with Craigieburn are the city loop, once Sunbury get pulled out there is plenty of room to boost the timetable. Maybe once the current 75 are done and we get closer to the next election 75 might turn into 100. It's a much rounder number to put on election material.

Lockie
Lockie91
Totally agree Lockie. 2 extra regional services will not cause a big impact on Upfield line services. The current plan for MARL which is all stations Pakenham/Cranbourne to Caufield and then all stations Caulfield to Sunshine via the Metro Tunnel will impact services for the West in the future. If they are going to do things on the cheap, let it be the MARL being done on the cheap and not services to the much needed Western Rail Plan.

Have the State Govt considered the bottleneck that is from Southern Cross to Newport by using the Werribee line corridor. HS to Geelong for $4 Billion. Pull the other one.

Michael
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner


MARL takes path that will eventually be needed by Sunbury and Melton. Maybe not for 10 years after opening, but just like all lines they will reach peak saturation and those 6 paths to the Airport are going too be needed at Sunbury or Melton.

In the now out dated and useless NDP Melton had 6TPH, so doubling of the current 20 minute service. During the 7 - 8 peak now, there are currently 4 short start services from Melton or Baccus. These paths would be given to WV/Geelong, WV shorts would only be servicing two station as Deer Park would be sparked. Baccus shorts go or get extended out to Ballarat.

Questions being, would the WRP build the additional stations that where proposed as part of RRL (Truganina, Sayers Road & Black Forrest Road). This would increase demand on the WV shorts, these stations are needed now as development continues to mushroom around the rail corridor.

Does the Melton sparking get done on the cheap? Do Regional Services mix with Metro stoppers too Sunshine to save the government the expense of building dedicated tracks from Melton to Sunshine.

What is the plan for WV?How does the eventual sparking interact with the proposed SRL. If Geelong services are to (stupidly) go via Newport, does the current track just get sparked and becomes the Western section of SRL.

As for the Somerton Link, this is doable now. The current LX removals of Bell Street have reduced the impacts to traffic, an extra two regional service an hour isn't going to make much difference to the remaining inner city LX's. The congestion issues with Craigieburn are the city loop, once Sunbury get pulled out there is plenty of room to boost the timetable. Maybe once the current 75 are done and we get closer to the next election 75 might turn into 100. It's a much rounder number to put on election material.

LockieTotally agree Lockie. 2 extra regional services will not cause a big impact on Upfield line services. The current plan for MARL which is all stations Pakenham/Cranbourne to Caufield and then all stations Caulfield to Sunshine via the Metro Tunnel will impact services for the West in the future. If they are going to do things on the cheap, let it be the MARL being done on the cheap and not services to the much needed Western Rail Plan.

Have the State Govt considered the bottleneck that is from Southern Cross to Newport by using the Werribee line corridor. HS to Geelong for $4 Billion. Pull the other one.

Michael
mejhammers1
I don't disagree with what the government has done, essentially they have kicked the Sunshine - CBD link down the road by 20 years. While it would have been nice to have a dedicated tunnel for regional and Airport services, in reality that sort of capacity is not need in the west yet. The government wasn't willing to take a wheelbarrow of cash for a 50+ year lease on what will be a key piece of transport infrastructure.

A dedicated link from Deer Park Junction to Sunshine is needed to keep regionals and future metro services separated. The price for this will run into the billions as the corridor from Sunshine to Deer Park and needs to be bulldozed and rebuilt. Along with a complicated Adeer Station. I hope the bullet is bitten so to speak as this would allow high speed regional services from Geelong and Ballarat to Express (from Melton) through and undo the longer running the Ballarat line now has. The current upgrade has pretty much readied the corridor for electrification.

Don't even get me started on Geelong HSR, $4Billion to express a train up the smeg of a SAS stopper at Newport. This suggests that the track reservation along RRL will be used for a future SRL link and the current line sparked. Not sure what value this is to have two lines running parallel through the west. Dare I say it, we may even see MM2 creep back on the agenda rebranded as Stage 2 of the Geelong HSR.

What does the future of the west look like? Geelong Services running through the city centre, then shooting out at Newport at 200Km/h, Werribee services sharing the tunnel, Laverton services running via North Melbourne. Melton, Sunbury and Airport squeezing into MM1, Regionals sharing track with sparked WV services along RRL from Sunshine to Southern Cross. Possible through running of Craigieburn services to Glen Waverley. The amount of proposed projects for the west boggles the mind, yet a shovel hasn't touched the ground.

Lockie
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.
mejhammers
Unfortunately, both the politicians and the mainstream media (Is there such a thing as a Spring St Bubble?) all consider Footscray to be the beginning and the end of the mythical land of the West. Sunshine, Deer Park, Melton and Werribee are just names on a freeway exit sign that they flash past at 100km/h as they make for a weekend away to Daylesford or Lorne. None of them come from places like this, and none of them spend any time out here.

These people are the ones who decide the agenda, and they are all obsessed with Melbourne having a railway to the airport. The truly absurd part about that is, once we have it, these same people will have no interest in using it, just like they don't use the current public transport network.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I think that the Western rail Plan is more important than the SRL and Airport Link.
Unfortunately, both the politicians and the mainstream media (Is there such a thing as a Spring St Bubble?) all consider Footscray to be the beginning and the end of the mythical land of the West. Sunshine, Deer Park, Melton and Werribee are just names on a freeway exit sign that they flash past at 100km/h as they make for a weekend away to Daylesford or Lorne. None of them come from places like this, and none of them spend any time out here.

These people are the ones who decide the agenda, and they are all obsessed with Melbourne having a railway to the airport. The truly absurd part about that is, once we have it, these same people will have no interest in using it, just like they don't use the current public transport network.
Gman_86
These people are the ones who decide the agenda, and they are all obsessed with Melbourne having a railway to the airport. The truly absurd part about that is, once we have it, these same people will have no interest in using it, just like they don't use the current public transport network.

So true. $10 Billion for building a new track pair between Albion and Some Junction, 5 km of new track elevated or at grade, 1 new bridge, 1 Underground Station and some remodeling of Sunshine Station when in NSW 15.5km of new tunneling under the Sydney Harbour, 7 new Underground Stations and the rebuilding of platforms at 11 Stations is going to cost just 50% more at $15.5 Billion. Someone is taking the complete pi$$.

Rail to the Airport should be done as cheaply as possible. The State Government should work with the ARTC in remodeling both the Standard Gauge and Broad Gauge Freight lines and using track which will be left unused once the Sunbury Line for access to the CBD. $10 Billion for a Train Service to the Airport which will be essentially just a another branch of MM1 for 6 trains a hour is a ridiculous waste of money and time.


Michael
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Rail to the Airport should be done as cheaply as possible. The State Government should work with the ARTC in remodeling both the Standard Gauge and Broad Gauge Freight lines and using track which will be left unused once the Sunbury Line for access to the CBD. $10 Billion for a Train Service to the Airport which will be essentially just a another branch of MM1 for 6 trains a hour is a ridiculous waste of money and time.

Michael
mejhammers1
I'd Say there are doing the airport rail on the cheep, diverting down the Metro Tunnel to avoid having to do anymore network upgrades to free up capacity into the urban core. As for the Route proper itself, running it parallel to the Freight line and down the Tullamarine Freeway corridor/easement (Idk what one they are doing yet) is miles cheeper then the Private proposal for a dedicated tunnel to Spencer's Street that was floating around a few years ago. Rail to the Airport, is something that nearly every modern city has, with all major cities with passenger rail networks minus Adelaide and Melbourne having one. Its Well overdue, as much as sparking to Melton.

As for Sparking to Melton, the Western rail plan probably will have to include an extra pair of tracks from sunshine to Footscray, unless they want to give up the dedicated V/line Tracks...

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