Possible Thylacine (Tasmanian Tiger) Sighting in NE Tasmania

 
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Well this might ruffle some zoological feathers, if true.  Public release/Verdict on 1st March:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUwM16FaEZU

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Not holding my breath, and not expecting confirmation, but would love to be surprised.

The photos would be great to see in time.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Not holding my breath, and not expecting confirmation, but would love to be surprised.

The photos would be great to see in time.
james.au
Yep.  Could be just a Tiger Quoll or similar marsupial.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I think there was a probability study done some years back of the chances of a population of Tassie Tigers surviving this long in the bush mostly unseen with a population size big enough to be healthy and sustainable and the answer is very much unfortunately unlikely.

Hopefully one day the Tassie Tiger will return, but it will need the same species that wiped it out to bring it back using science.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Oh well...
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
When this popped up I wanted to comment with something like “this would be truly fantastic news, and I definitely hope it’s true, but it most certainly won’t be”.

Now I read these smeg idiots have mistaken a pademelon for a thylacine… wow, just wow, no wonder these groups carry no credibility.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

When this popped up I wanted to comment with something like “this would be truly fantastic news, and I definitely hope it’s true, but it most certainly won’t be”.

Now I read these smeg idiots have mistaken a pademelon for a thylacine… wow, just wow, no wonder these groups carry no credibility.
Aaron
Watching the video again it's obvious he had a few too many Boag's....
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
I know pademelon as an actual melon that grows in the fallows over summer.

They also have stripes.  I might take a snap and get a verification of what it is...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumis_myriocarpus#/media/File:Cucumis_myriocarpus_at_Fivebough_Wetlands.jpg
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
When this popped up I wanted to comment with something like “this would be truly fantastic news, and I definitely hope it’s true, but it most certainly won’t be”.

Now I read these smeg idiots have mistaken a pademelon for a thylacine… wow, just wow, no wonder these groups carry no credibility.
Watching the video again it's obvious he had a few too many Boag's....
Carnot
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, he was obviously so excited at the prospect.  I bet he had a few more Boags when he heard the news....
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
When this popped up I wanted to comment with something like “this would be truly fantastic news, and I definitely hope it’s true, but it most certainly won’t be”.

Now I read these smeg idiots have mistaken a pademelon for a thylacine… wow, just wow, no wonder these groups carry no credibility.
Watching the video again it's obvious he had a few too many Boag's....
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, he was obviously so excited at the prospect.  I bet he had a few more Boags when he heard the news....
james.au
They are kind of like the Yowie hunters. They are wishing so hard, that they need to validate the years that they have spent to get a result and interpret everything subjectively to meet their hope.

I agree with RTT's post as well.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

When this popped up I wanted to comment with something like “this would be truly fantastic news, and I definitely hope it’s true, but it most certainly won’t be”.

Now I read these smeg idiots have mistaken a pademelon for a thylacine… wow, just wow, no wonder these groups carry no credibility.
Watching the video again it's obvious he had a few too many Boag's....
I kinda feel sorry for the guy, he was obviously so excited at the prospect.  I bet he had a few more Boags when he heard the news....
They are kind of like the Yowie hunters. They are wishing so hard, that they need to validate the years that they have spent to get a result and interpret everything subjectively to meet their hope.

I agree with RTT's post as well.
Big J
When Tasmania was first settled I read somewhere that the population of Thylacines was approx. 5000. That is not a large population to support sustainable reproduction. So they were probably on terminal decline at that stage and the bounty only accelerated that decline.

Possible if some survived until now science may have possibly saved them. But that's just idle speculation as they are definitely extinct now.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Cloning unfortunately won’t bring back thylacine in a meaningful way.

Even if we could reproduce a clone of every ‘preserved’ thylacine existing in the world we wouldn’t have enough genetic diversity to build a sustainable population. It quite likely that even if we had a decent DNA sample from every thylacine walking the land when Europeans arrived there wouldn’t be enough decent genetic data to maintain the species.

It might not be all, but it will be sufficiently close to all preserved samples of thylacine will have about 80-90+ year old DNA that will be too degraded to clone from.

Some of the most likely DNA samples we have are from preserved young, many extracted from pouches or found dead in pouches.

Trying to create a clone from deceased young found in pouches would be a spectacularly bad idea, there’s a decent assumption tied to these animals that they were not of the greatest genetic strength to begin with, hence never surviving the pouch.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

I am no expert, but I think anything is possible as our tech improves.

If we are working towards cloning a prehistoric mammoth, why would a Thylacine be any different?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/woolly-mammoths-extinction-cloning-genetics
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
We have no snap frozen thylacine.

We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy which means the genetic material has been left to deteriorate in air for nearly 100 years, and (worse) thylacine preserved for similar lengths of time in formaldehyde, a known mutagen.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
We have no snap frozen thylacine.

We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy which means the genetic material has been left to deteriorate in air for nearly 100 years, and (worse) thylacine preserved for similar lengths of time in formaldehyde, a known mutagen.
Aaron
+1
and the number of Woolly Mammoths specimens are significantly more than thylacine numbers.

Also Hollywood and Jurassic Park has given a false impression to people in general, that reversing extinction this is achievable, when reality is that humanity is not helping the creatures that are still alive on this planet.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

We have no snap frozen thylacine.

We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy which means the genetic material has been left to deteriorate in air for nearly 100 years, and (worse) thylacine preserved for similar lengths of time in formaldehyde, a known mutagen.
+1
and the number of Woolly Mammoths specimens are significantly more than thylacine numbers.

Also Hollywood and Jurassic Park has given a false impression to people in general, that reversing extinction this is achievable, when reality is that humanity is not helping the creatures that are still alive on this planet.
Big J
Much agreed fellas. Don't know why or how we allowed and continue to allow incredible creatures like this to disappear.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy.
Aaron
Huh? Perhaps preserved by taxidermy, but certainly not preserved by taxonomy!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
While for now, cloning is not deemed viable, lets not consider them impossible for the future using technology that has yet to be invented.

The data seems to support the Tassie Tiger was in decline due to Aboriginal settlement, which mostly wiped out the species on the mainland with some potential for it to remain until the early 19th century in a few narrow locations in NSW and SA and likely bound for extinction in Tasmania sooner or later even without "white" influence. However a population of 5000 would no doubt be viable for the long-term, although fragile.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I think that an S class Pacific should be cloned. There must be some DNA under Mount Newport. Rolling Eyes
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
While for now, cloning is not deemed viable, lets not consider them impossible for the future using technology that has yet to be invented.

The data seems to support the Tassie Tiger was in decline due to Aboriginal settlement, which mostly wiped out the species on the mainland with some potential for it to remain until the early 19th century in a few narrow locations in NSW and SA and likely bound for extinction in Tasmania sooner or later even without "white" influence. However a population of 5000 would no doubt be viable for the long-term, although fragile.
RTT_Rules
Cloning already exists for living animals. The issue is that there are no living animals to clone.

The bigger challenge is habitat constraints.

For decades the Asian subspecies of the lion have been restricted to one forest in India.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiatic_lion

Wisely there are plans to relocate a proportion to another forest in India (and even in Iran). But despite all the talk for decades nothing has happen, due to pressure on the remaining suitable habitats and the near encroachment of people.

Even if we could magically recreate a viable population of the Thylacine, where would they go without impacting human populations?

This is pure fantasy.

The focus should be on retaining what living wildlife is left in tassie and try prevent some numpties that are so stupid that they will bring in a fox to the joint. That is why there is a focus on the Devil and the re-population of disease free animals at other places (remember the recent discussion of establishing a pop in Victoria).

As I said with the Asiatic Lion, who else prepared to take the Tassie Devils and pay the cost to keep them?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy.
Huh? Perhaps preserved by taxidermy, but certainly not preserved by taxonomy!
Graham4405
Well, technically we do as we have classified it in our biological taxonomies and preserved its name for as long as they exist!
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy.
Huh? Perhaps preserved by taxidermy, but certainly not preserved by taxonomy!
Graham4405
That’s what happens when you cross a possible typo with posting when you have been awake for nearly 40 hours straight…
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
We have thylacine preserved by taxonomy.
Huh? Perhaps preserved by taxidermy, but certainly not preserved by taxonomy!
That’s what happens when you cross a possible typo with posting when you have been awake for nearly 40 hours straight…
Aaron
Perhaps you should prioritise sleep over posting on rail forums! Rolling Eyes
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
When you’ve been awake that long, you’ve already pushed through the feeling of tired and an extra half an hour or an hour really makes little difference to the overall picture.

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