Cost far outweighs benefit: Sydney’s $11b airport rail link slammed

 

News article: Cost far outweighs benefit: Sydney’s $11b airport rail link slammed

The NSW government’s justification for building a rail line to Sydney’s second airport has been savaged by the country’s peak infrastructure body, which warns the cost of the $11 billion project will far outweigh its benefit.

  NSWGR8022 Chief Commissioner

Location: From the lands of Journalism and Free Speech
I have been forever skeptical about the need for the airport alone the rail line a better solution should have been found.  Why was the second airport needed when there is capacity at Canberra and Melbourne?

The rail line is only needed because of the stupid location of the second airport.

Cost far outweighs benefit: Sydney’s $11b airport rail link slammed

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  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Why was the second airport needed when there is capacity at Canberra and Melbourne?
NSWGR8022


no fast train option ... and no space for the extra plane's .. ie sydney is still open for international flights  



The rail line is only needed because of the stupid location of the second airport.


no - the rail line has been planed before the airport .. but the price tag is getting beyond a joke with all the cash grabs for the area and gov outsourcing ..
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I wouldn't call the location of the new airport stupid.  It's the most obvious location after decades of investigation.  A second airport will be needed as Sydney Airport becomes increasingly congested.  One of its major advantages will be that it will operate 24 hours a day.  It's totally unrealistic to expect travellers to travel by high speed train to Canberra to catch a flight and for overseas and interstate travellers, they want a direct flight to Sydney, not Canberra.  All this talk about HSR is nonsense.

Yes, viaprojects is correct.  The rail line was proposed as an extension of the South West Rail Link, initially to Bringelly, and later to St Marys and Macarthur before the airport site was officially chosen.  The Liberal O'Farrell government also initially opposed the new airport.

The stupid idea was proposing the rail link to St Marys, when anyone with half a brain could see that the most obvious choice should have been to extend the existing SWRL from Leppington.  The further extensions to St Marys and Macarthur could come later as the area developed.  But Oh, extending the SWRL would be part of the existing network and we can't have that.  Making the St Marys Link an isolated metro only compounds its inappropriateness.  It doesn't warrant the priority it's been given.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner


The stupid idea was proposing the rail link to St Marys, when anyone with half a brain could see that the most obvious choice should have been to extend the existing SWRL from Leppington.  The further extensions to St Marys and Macarthur could come later as the area developed.  But Oh, extending the SWRL would be part of the existing network and we can't have that.  Making the St Marys Link an isolated metro only compounds its inappropriateness.  It doesn't warrant the priority it's been given.
Transtopic
I seem to recall something about connecting the airport  - St Marys line to Tallawong. Eventually, all of Sydney will be single deck driverless transit, IMO.
Proper train lines will only remain to connect interurban/regional/interstate lines to Central, and what little is required for freight.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I seem to recall something about connecting the airport  - St Marys line to Tallawong. Eventually, all of Sydney will be single deck driverless transit, IMO.
Proper train lines will only remain to connect interurban/regional/interstate lines to Central, and what little is required for freight.
Lockspike
The Airport-St Marys line is planned to eventually extend to Tallawong, as well as Macarthur to the south, but that could be decades away, if ever.  We all know how rail planning can change over the years.

This is more about questioning the priority of the St Marys route over other more favourable options in the short term.  It doesn't mean the St Marys link will not be built further down the track when the demand warrants it.

Your idea that all of Sydney will eventually be SD driverless metro is a bit far fetched.  No doubt new rail links will be SD metro, but it's not worth the cost and disruption of converting existing lines when they can be upgraded to a higher level of performance at a fraction of the cost, even with DD trains.  It should be remembered that with the current number of newer DD trains and those on order, they're going to be around for at least another 30 to 40 years.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
Perhaps they could at least make provisions for the extension of the DD line from Leppington to the airport? Or at least to connect with the new Metro? The DD would act as a semi-express service to Central with the Metro serving passengers travelling locally.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Perhaps they could at least make provisions for the extension of the DD line from Leppington to the airport? Or at least to connect with the new Metro? The DD would act as a semi-express service to Central with the Metro serving passengers travelling locally.
railblogger
They have made provision to extend the DD line from Leppington to the Aerotropolis, but not to the airport terminal or business park.  That will require interchange to the metro.  However, it's been given a very low priority by the current government, when in fact it should have been the first priority.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Capacity of Melbourne and Canberra airports is completely irrelevant when the destination is actually Sydney. The 2nd airport is required to give Sydney a 24h airport, something that it desperately needs.

Agree the Western Airport Metro isn't required, extension of Leppington to Airport station should have been the commonsense approach leaving space between Airport and Aerotroplis for a 2nd pair of tracks. The 2nd airport won't have a significant passenger load for years so a multi billion dollar airport railway isn't a priority. However I would have built St Marys to Macarthur eventually as a Metro.

Sydney's DD network will unlikely ever mass converted to SD, but automation will come. Expect by 2025, the entire network is driverless, if it takes that long.
  Upven Junior Train Controller

^ Lol no it won’t be.
  a6et Minister for Railways

I seem to recall something about connecting the airport  - St Marys line to Tallawong. Eventually, all of Sydney will be single deck driverless transit, IMO.
Proper train lines will only remain to connect interurban/regional/interstate lines to Central, and what little is required for freight.
The Airport-St Marys line is planned to eventually extend to Tallawong, as well as Macarthur to the south, but that could be decades away, if ever.  We all know how rail planning can change over the years.

This is more about questioning the priority of the St Marys route over other more favourable options in the short term.  It doesn't mean the St Marys link will not be built further down the track when the demand warrants it.

Your idea that all of Sydney will eventually be SD driverless metro is a bit far fetched.  No doubt new rail links will be SD metro, but it's not worth the cost and disruption of converting existing lines when they can be upgraded to a higher level of performance at a fraction of the cost, even with DD trains.  It should be remembered that with the current number of newer DD trains and those on order, they're going to be around for at least another 30 to 40 years.
Transtopic
The arrival of the Metro has pretty much put paid to much of the original planning for the South line to Western line connection, likewise through to Riverstone.  The selling off of the Ropes crossing land to the extent that has happened added another bag of nails for the coffin.

If one goes back pre Gladys and Smug Mug days the NWRL was meant as heavy rail with the Chatswood - Epping section the first part of the new line, a reason why it was tunneled wider for HR rolling stock.  The line to its current terminus and Metro conversion, was then to be extended to Riverstone - St Mary's then to Leppington via the Airport.  Originally though the line was also meant to link with the Maldon Dombarton line to take Western Coal to PTK and get it out of the primary Sydney suburban lines.  Maybe with the huge international calls for King coal to be dethroned its probably been a good idea.

The thing though was that the line across from the Main South/Macarthur was also meant to get the industrial areas around the Wetheril Park & Erskine Park on to rail rather than interstate road services.

If the St Mary's to airport goes to Metro then the current metro is likely to be extended to there with the prospects of a large interchange at St Marys, and Perhaps Metro below street level to connect with the current terminus.  Pipe dream? perhaps but, considering that there is a reserved alignment, or was, between the main west line that was to be connect to the Main south in the Maldon area, who knows what the future holds.  Non the less I will not live long enough to see much or any of it.

The other aspect re Metro v HR was that the NWRL was always meant to be HR extension as mentioned above was part of the last Labor Governments promises for elections ""If re-elected we will commence the construction of the NWRL"", Libs under O'Ferrell said  ""We are committed to the construction of the NWRL and will commence the work when elected"".  Pork from barrells were free flowing back then, but in the end the Pork was exported.

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