Mountain Bike Carriage Limits

 
  ANR Chief Commissioner

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  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat Line
Typical wet blanket Ebenezer approach to its 'customers'...of whom there were very few in the attached video.
I guess the privatised company is playing it safe and trying to avoid any complaints to their masters in the state government.

On the former main line from Adelaide to Melbourne, specifically Ballan to Bacchus Marsh, the same thing can be done and has been done by me...all down hill to Bacchus Marsh, around 24 Km on Ingliston Rd then get the train back to Ballan...all uphill Smile

Mike.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Typical wet blanket Ebenezer approach to its 'customers'...of whom there were very few in the attached video.
I guess the privatised company is playing it safe and trying to avoid any complaints to their masters in the state government.

On the former main line from Adelaide to Melbourne, specifically Ballan to Bacchus Marsh, the same thing can be done and has been done by me...all down hill to Bacchus Marsh, around 24 Km on Ingliston Rd then get the train back to Ballan...all uphill Smile

Mike.
The Vinelander
I have contemplated doing the Mansfield Rail Trail over the years using Vline Melbourne to Tallarook but been put off by the lack of a reasonably guaranteed train sector especially the return due to:
  • An officious Conductor (as may be the case in ANR's post).
  • Vline bustitution on the return and therefore homeless in Tallarook.
At least with Metro there are more services and I can always use the bike as my 'lifeboat' as I have done several times over the years.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Bit of a hard one this, the news clip I saw, may have been channel 9 Sundee arvo and there was perhaps 15 or more young fellows on the platform, so you can understand not wanting to let all of them on board. On the other hand, here's a whole heap of kids doing something decent, not smashing up public property or graffiti painting everything in sight, just kids riding the trails in the bush, sounds excellent to me.

I've no answer to it.

BigShunter.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Privatisation: cyclists left stranded. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/belair-line-cyclists-...
ANR

it has nothing to do with privatisation, its an employee following company safety policy. The employee has done the right thing, is the safety policy correct, well that needs investigation.

The Question should be asked why did the previous operator have a safety policy they didn't enforce, what other safety policy/rule's did they not enforce?

Bit of a hard one this, the news clip I saw, may have been channel 9 Sundee arvo and there was perhaps 15 or more young fellows on the platform, so you can understand not wanting to let all of them on board. On the other hand, here's a whole heap of kids doing something decent, not smashing up public property or graffiti painting everything in sight, just kids riding the trails in the bush, sounds excellent to me. I've no answer to it.
Bigshunter

I think you are right, kids doing the right thing slapped in the face. The 4 bikes per car rule is likely intended for the entire network and ignores a popular Adelaide past time in one location.

What's the answer? Simple (I think)

The article states its common for people to ride down, train up. i believe one of the reasons the line even exists (survived potential closure) today is because of the popularity for using the line to access the Belair park/reserve area.

So
1) Review the safety policy, can this be changed for this route on weekends?

if not

2) Is it possible that some carriages that are kept for use on the Belair have more seats removed and allow more bikes to be carried. Perhaps the seat anchors can be made to enable quick removal on Friday night with out it turning into a major project every week?

3) I was going to avoid the suggestion of a dedicated bike only carriage or a bike and standing only carriage, but as more DMU's are released from the Gawler electrification you can see where I'm going with this.

Not sure on how many train sets are used for Belair on weekend timetables but sure it what around 5 or 6, wouldn't take much to do option 2 or 3.

Promote the whole thing as being bike friendly and you may see more people using.

EDIT: I didn't read to the bottom before, seems the local MP for area tends to agree in modifying the train and bike only carriages being used.

As the demand if for Mitcham to Belair only, local shuttle for just that area design to take alot of bikes, two trains running up and down fitting in with existing Belair services?
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
Perhaps the new ScotRail “Active Travel “ DMUs could provide a model for Adelaide to follow ?

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/scotrail-plans-active-travel-dmu-deployment-on-west-highland-line
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Privatisation: cyclists left stranded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/belair-line-cyclists-squeezed-out-by-keolis-downer/13242388
ANR
Increased bike capacity may well be a good idea in this instance.
I'm sure Keolis Downer will respond to their customers, and provide whatever service the government pays for...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Privatisation: cyclists left stranded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/belair-line-cyclists-squeezed-out-by-keolis-downer/13242388
Increased bike capacity may well be a good idea in this instance.
I'm sure Keolis Downer will respond to their customers, and provide whatever service the government pays for...
Lockspike
KD boss has already said, "not within my power to make this decision", thrown it back to the laps who own the problem both now and in the past when poorly managed.

Hopefully commonsense kicks in quickly and a suitable solution is found quickly as I agree with others comments. When Teenagers are trying to do the right thing, we should support them ASAP as they don't have years to wait while a committee thinks about it.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
If one doesn't have a solution to a problem wheel out the 'safety' card.
If it was excessive numbers of wheelchairs the reaction would be different.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
There’s a fairly trivial solution, if the kids want to ride down the hill, also have them learn to ride up it. They can learn some useful Newtonian physics on the way, and then be baffled to learn they have actually done no work in the process.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
There’s a fairly trivial solution, if the kids want to ride down the hill, also have them learn to ride up it. They can learn some useful Newtonian physics on the way, and then be baffled to learn they have actually done no work in the process.
Aaron
Argh, but the system is not frictionless.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Considering the amount of money that the MTB crowd spend in a key Liberal seat, I expect the government to have a solution worked out fairly promptly.

No need to be removing seats every Friday night and putting them back in on Sunday, a handful of cars with the section between the doors having extra standing room will also be handy for running weekday peak extras and services after AFL matches.

There’s a fairly trivial solution, if the kids want to ride down the hill, also have them learn to ride up it. They can learn some useful Newtonian physics on the way, and then be baffled to learn they have actually done no work in the process.
Argh, but the system is not frictionless.
RTT_Rules
I would invite Aaron to ride a Downhill bike up that hill. He will learn some useful Applied Physics (especially useful for an Adelaide Uni navel gazer) and quite probably some Physiology as well.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
If one doesn't have a solution to a problem wheel out the 'safety' card.
If it was excessive numbers of wheelchairs the reaction would be different.
YM-Mundrabilla
So YM are you suggesting I round up a few people I know and venture up to Belair in our wheeled chariots and cause a bit of a ruckus about the need for more bikes on the train and a small rent-a-crown as well, chanting what do we want and when do we want it ?

Or perhaps using Aaron's logic, if everyone rode bikes, we can get rid of the train. Rolling Eyes

BigShunter.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
BS,
Rent a crowd of females, either on bikes or in wheelchairs will do.
If you can get enough so as to crowd the place that would help from the safety aspect, especially if they venture near the edge of the platform!
You might even get a new station but I think the best solution would be to replace the trains with once/day/week bus service. Problem solved.
YM
  4BJ Chief Commissioner

Location: Backside almost trackside at Hawthorn near Mitcham
KD forcing those idiots to ride their bikes up the Hill?

NOT BEFORE TIME!

It would seem Privatisation does have its advantages.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
KD forcing those idiots to ride their bikes up the Hill?

NOT BEFORE TIME!

It would seem Privatisation does have its advantages.
4BJ
Hmm, idiots ya reckon, well may be but I know a bloke who was involved with a couple of the interviews and he said the group was polite, well spoken and not too pushy with their requests. The news clip I saw last week, the young bloke they spoke with certainly didn't seem or sound like a smartarse.

Although looks like you may live in the area and obviously have a different view.

BigShunter.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
KD forcing those idiots to ride their bikes up the Hill?

NOT BEFORE TIME!

It would seem Privatisation does have its advantages.
Hmm, idiots ya reckon, well may be but I know a bloke who was involved with a couple of the interviews and he said the group was polite, well spoken and not too pushy with their requests. The news clip I saw last week, the young bloke they spoke with certainly didn't seem or sound like a smartarse.

Although looks like you may live in the area and obviously have a different view.

BigShunter.
BigShunter
Down hill off-road mountain biking is a growing global activity generating local jobs and business opportunities.

For example numerous ski resorts in Colorado that I'm aware of and likely others are now finding work during summer running cable cars and providing other employment generating services such as food and bev, bike repair etc to enable people to downhill mountain bike ride in large numbers from great heights without the pain to get back up the hill quickly. While I'm not personally familiar with what's on offer at Belair, it would seem South Australia is pi$$ing up against the wall a large opportunity to  attract not only its own people but outsiders to this downhill experience.

The kids involved just wanted to catch the train with their bikes just like they did before. Time for the both the govt and KD to pull their finger out to not just resolve the situation but promote it. When the situation is fixed, the minister and KD should personally invite those kids back along with the media to show them what has been changed and thank them for highlighting the situation.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
KD forcing those idiots to ride their bikes up the Hill?

NOT BEFORE TIME!
"4BJ"
Whatever you do, son, don't go for a job in marketing. You wouldn't recognise an opportunity, complete with excellent PR like this is, if it was tattooed on your backside.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Down hill off-road mountain biking is a growing global activity generating local jobs and business opportunities.

For example numerous ski resorts in Colorado that I'm aware of and likely others are now finding work during summer running cable cars and providing other employment generating services such as food and bev, bike repair etc to enable people to downhill mountain bike ride in large numbers from great heights without the pain to get back up the hill quickly. While I'm not personally familiar with what's on offer at Belair, it would seem South Australia is pi$$ing up against the wall a large opportunity to  attract not only its own people but outsiders to this downhill experience.

The kids involved just wanted to catch the train with their bikes just like they did before. Time for the both the govt and KD to pull their finger out to not just resolve the situation but promote it. When the situation is fixed, the minister and KD should personally invite those kids back along with the media to show them what has been changed and thank them for highlighting the situation.
RTT_Rules
Cyclists = Wallets on wheels.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Cyclists = Wallets on wheels.
"Gayspie"
Yeah, sure; particularly the ones who can't afford a car.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Cyclists = Wallets on wheels.
Yeah, sure; particularly the ones who can't afford a car.
Valvegear
- Public transport usage is rising faster than population.
- The number of teens/20's somethings that don't own a car is rising
- The use of bikes to commute to work is rising
- Mountain bike riding is rising in popularity
- Former rail lines are increasingly being converted to rail trails along with other corridors and tracks
- Domestic and International Mountain Bike tourism is on the rise

Anyway who doesn't see this issue is firmly within the South Govt to sort out and fast is blind!
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Here are people crying out to use the service, yet being turned away, and there are people here who think that's the right approach. Is it any wonder the workers of this country are continually asked to shovel ever more shekels into the government coffers?
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Down hill off-road mountain biking is a growing global activity generating local jobs and business opportunities.

For example numerous ski resorts in Colorado that I'm aware of and likely others are now finding work during summer running cable cars and providing other employment generating services such as food and bev, bike repair etc to enable people to downhill mountain bike ride in large numbers from great heights without the pain to get back up the hill quickly. While I'm not personally familiar with what's on offer at Belair, it would seem South Australia is pi$$ing up against the wall a large opportunity to  attract not only its own people but outsiders to this downhill experience.

The kids involved just wanted to catch the train with their bikes just like they did before. Time for the both the govt and KD to pull their finger out to not just resolve the situation but promote it. When the situation is fixed, the minister and KD should personally invite those kids back along with the media to show them what has been changed and thank them for highlighting the situation.
Cyclists = Wallets on wheels.
Gayspie
Lol! You might have a bike, and you might have a wallet, but I guarantee you don’t have money in it.
  gunzel42 Locomotive Driver

Lol! You might have a bike, and you might have a wallet, but I guarantee you don’t have money in it.
Aaron
That explains why it is free to take a bike on the train out of peak hours lol.
  cmjl Station Master

Location: Adelaide
Privatisation: cyclists left stranded.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-15/belair-line-cyclists-squeezed-out-by-keolis-downer/13242388
ANR
If memory serves, at one time a 2000 class railcar was modified by removing some seats to allow for extra bike stowage for this very reason.

Surely one or two 3000 class could be modified the same way, though it may reduce seating for non-weekend use.

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