Ettamogah rail hub on track for success

 
Topic moved from News by dthead on 06 Mar 2018 13:56
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
SCT are reenergising the rail industry and are customer focused. Something AN locked in the end as does V/Line.

There is still room for short haul operators they just need a leg up.

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  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
But the big operators don't set the compliance charges, the government does. Anecdotally I have been told the cost of accreditation has risen approximately six-fold in the last 20 years.
bingley hall

True.  If the cost to enter is high, it is not in the interest of the big players to do anything to lower it, and if they can make money with a compliance environment that is high, then they would perhaps prefer to leave it there than lower the cost and let others enter the market...

Back on topic, how many C-B and vv services does this mean for Ettamogah now (albeit hauled by PN on their services)?  Article says 3, but also says two more - the wording looks a little ambiguous.
  x31 Chief Commissioner

Location: gallifrey
But the big operators don't set the compliance charges, the government does. Anecdotally I have been told the cost of accreditation has risen approximately six-fold in the last 20 years.

True.  If the cost to enter is high, it is not in the interest of the big players to do anything to lower it, and if they can make money with a compliance environment that is high, then they would perhaps prefer to leave it there than lower the cost and let others enter the market...

Back on topic, how many C-B and vv services does this mean for Ettamogah now (albeit hauled by PN on their services)?  Article says 3, but also says two more - the wording looks a little ambiguous.
james.au

What does C-B and vv services mean please?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
But the big operators don't set the compliance charges, the government does. Anecdotally I have been told the cost of accreditation has risen approximately six-fold in the last 20 years.

True.  If the cost to enter is high, it is not in the interest of the big players to do anything to lower it, and if they can make money with a compliance environment that is high, then they would perhaps prefer to leave it there than lower the cost and let others enter the market...

Back on topic, how many C-B and vv services does this mean for Ettamogah now (albeit hauled by PN on their services)?  Article says 3, but also says two more - the wording looks a little ambiguous.

What does C-B and vv services mean please?
x31
Sorry, in ARTC train numbering code, C = Riverina and B = Brisbane.  A train running to Brisbane from Albury would be coded for example 1CB7 with the numbers denoting day of week and operator (refer to this link for details).  vv or v/v is shorthand for vice versa.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
But the big operators don't set the compliance charges, the government does. Anecdotally I have been told the cost of accreditation has risen approximately six-fold in the last 20 years.

True.  If the cost to enter is high, it is not in the interest of the big players to do anything to lower it, and if they can make money with a compliance environment that is high, then they would perhaps prefer to leave it there than lower the cost and let others enter the market...

Back on topic, how many C-B and vv services does this mean for Ettamogah now (albeit hauled by PN on their services)?  Article says 3, but also says two more - the wording looks a little ambiguous.

What does C-B and vv services mean please?
Sorry, in ARTC train numbering code, C = Riverina and B = Brisbane.  A train running to Brisbane from Albury would be coded for example 1CB7 with the numbers denoting day of week and operator (refer to this link for details).  vv or v/v is shorthand for vice versa.
james.au
The final number doesn't necessarily denote the operator, for example, MP1/PM1 was an Aurizon service, yet GP1/PG1 is an SCT service and BM7/MB7 was again an Aurizon service, MP7/PM7 is a PN service. The final number is normally allocated by ARTC, but can be requested by an operator if they like. Hence why SCT run GP1/PG1 and BM9/MB9 & MP9/PM9 services, as they use it to distinguish between their services that run from Adelaide/Melbourne to their final destination and Goobang Jct. (Parkes) to their final destination.

Jack
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
In mid March 2021, facilities at Ettamogah are being improved by approximately  3420m of new track and power points and signals. These power points replace Ground Frames with much less standing room.

The new track is in the form of a 3420m Arrival Road which is connected to the main line by those power points and signals.

There are non-interlocked points between the Arrival Road and the existing sidings which are more or less unchanged.

Thus the new Arrival Road does not seem to count as a Loop for Crossing Purposes.

Flat wagons can have their containers loaded and unloaded by using forklifts on the Hardstand area adjacent to part of the No. 2 Road. Because this Road has a dead end, Down trains up to 1210m can access the Hardstand without shunting, even though loco Y151 is available to do the shunting with.

If the dead end of the Hardstand siding were replaced with a turnout or slew then long trains of almost 1800m (the maximum on the Inland Railway) would be able to access the Hardstand Area. AIUI, forklifts can only operate on the Hardstand. The dead-end on the Hardstand Road is arguably an easily fixed design flaw in the Ettamogah Rail Hub.

It is almost true that loading and unloading of containers with flat wagons can always be carried with out blocking the main line. The diagrams being cited here do not show all measurement needed to confirm the above conclusions, though they come pretty close.


For "Australian Intermodal Terminal List" see: https://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11402409.htm


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  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Fatty has kindly recorded a few video run-pasts:

Gerogery Down Landmark up to Ettamogah 101A points (3:53):

(Sadly this video getting a 404 error) Sad

http://dams.omni.com.au:8080/razuna/assets/2/F58E59758AF44C6...




Ettamogah Down Home EH5 up to Up Home EH24 - Arrival Road Under construction (3:37) See: http://files.aussiebustard.com/etta.mp4





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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The changes to the terminal are ready positive for the region and I might be right when I say this arrangement now would be similar to that at Laverton and also West Wodonga for SCT?
  420renegade Station Staff

the main benefit is trains requiring Ettamogah terminal will be clear of the main line to get other services through that in the past would have to wait for the shunt to take place

it is a significant improvement to the movement of trains from albury to Junee
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
the main benefit is trains requiring Ettamogah terminal will be clear of the main line to get other services through that in the past would have to wait for the shunt to take place

it is a significant improvement to the movement of trains from albury to Junee
420renegade
In my experience it is extremely rare for a train to be delayed by a train shunting Ettamogah. It will mean that trains that are shunting Ettamogah won't have to sit around for HOURS at Albury or Gerogery waiting for a window that won't delay other trains.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Have often seen freights sitting in 2 road and wondered why with rare 3 road holding at Albury.
  420renegade Station Staff

the main benefit is trains requiring Ettamogah terminal will be clear of the main line to get other services through that in the past would have to wait for the shunt to take place

it is a significant improvement to the movement of trains from albury to Junee
In my experience it is extremely rare for a train to be delayed by a train shunting Ettamogah. It will mean that trains that are shunting Ettamogah won't have to sit around for HOURS at Albury or Gerogery waiting for a window that won't delay other trains.
Fatty

well ill disagree as im seeing the delays on the graph occurring


yes the MC and CM services can wait for hours, but delays also happen to other services either waiting to cross or crossing further up with the Bomen shunt that follows the Ettamogah shunt
this happens regularly

10 20 30 mins can cause follow on delays all the way to Acacia ridge for some services.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The wagons at tabletop terminal who places them into the terminal and pickups up the outbound wagons for delivery ?

The inbound wagons and containers are they for local delivery or elsewhere ?
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
the main benefit is trains requiring Ettamogah terminal will be clear of the main line to get other services through that in the past would have to wait for the shunt to take place

it is a significant improvement to the movement of trains from albury to Junee
In my experience it is extremely rare for a train to be delayed by a train shunting Ettamogah. It will mean that trains that are shunting Ettamogah won't have to sit around for HOURS at Albury or Gerogery waiting for a window that won't delay other trains.

well ill disagree as im seeing the delays on the graph occurring


yes the MC and CM services can wait for hours, but delays also happen to other services either waiting to cross or crossing further up with the Bomen shunt that follows the Ettamogah shunt
this happens regularly

10 20 30 mins can cause follow on delays all the way to Acacia ridge for some services.
420renegade
¯_(ツ)_/¯

I have read your reply a few times and doesn't seem to make sense in-regards to Ettamogah.

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