Melbourne Airport Rail Link

 
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Being the original old cynic, I'll believe that there'll be a rail line to the airport when I see work actually start. I Have been listening to, and reading about, an airport rail link since the airport itself was under construction.
Valvegear

So have I...but as sure as the sun rises in the east, the Airport rail will be built. The Andrews government is not given to offering core and non-core promises.

Mike.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Interesting observations and predictions from https://twitter.com/OperationalInc1.  

There is a lot of work to be done at Albion.


The airport lines in this design are up and over the locals onto the Jacana Easement.

  Djebel Locomotive Driver

Being the original old cynic, I'll believe that there'll be a rail line to the airport when I see work actually start. I Have been listening to, and reading about, an airport rail link since the airport itself was under construction.

So have I...but as sure as the sun rises in the east, the Airport rail will be built. The Andrews government is not given to offering core and non-core promises.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Definitely given to non-core costings for their promises, though.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Interesting observations and predictions from https://twitter.com/OperationalInc1.  

There is a lot of work to be done at Albion.


The airport lines in this design are up and over the locals onto the Jacana Easement.

bevans
Sunshine isn't getting additional track/platforms? If not, putting on my soothsayer's hat, I predict that BG's commute will deteriorate further
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Interesting observations and predictions from https://twitter.com/OperationalInc1.  

There is a lot of work to be done at Albion.


The airport lines in this design are up and over the locals onto the Jacana Easement.

Sunshine isn't getting additional track/platforms? If not, putting on my soothsayer's hat, I predict that BG's commute will deteriorate further
Lockspike
I wouldn't put too much credance in that weird chook scratchings.

Sunshine stagion already has the Metro (sunbury) completely separate track and platforms to Vline (bendigo).
Its what RRL delivered.

The choke point is where those 2 merge at Anderson St. The Airport track shown in the official pic is diverged away from that cluster fk.

Been mentioned many times already that the metro/vline merge needs to be moved a lot further north (beyond Albion), plus a few other tidy ups that RRL never finished. Now they have the cash, we can only hope.

cheers
John
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: I was here first. You're only visiting.
Being the original old cynic, I'll believe that there'll be a rail line to the airport when I see work actually start. I Have been listening to, and reading about, an airport rail link since the airport itself was under construction.

So have I...but as sure as the sun rises in the east, the Airport rail will be built. The Andrews government is not given to offering core and non-core promises.

Mike.
The Vinelander
If only the current lot were in power when footy was played at Waverley!
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
So have I...but as sure as the sun rises in the east, the Airport rail will be built.
The Vinelander
And I'll believe it when I see it. (Incidentally, the sun doesn't always rise in the east; it ranges widely between the summer and winter solstices.)

If only the current lot were in power when footy was played at Waverley!
DirtyBallast
Waverley was the dumbest sporting decision in decades - no public transport, and perched on top of a hill in the rainfall capital of Melbourne. In those days, the blindingly obvious spot was the empty acres of West Footscray/ North Laverton - flat ground and plenty of it, with an existing railway on the doorstep.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Did we receive in the concept release what is proposed for the airport itself?

This has been my concern for a while in that they will take a cheap option and not have the station integrated with the terminals 1,2,3
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Did we receive in the concept release what is proposed for the airport itself?

This has been my concern for a while in that they will take a cheap option and not have the station integrated with the terminals 1,2,3
bevans
What do you mean Bevans?


Michael
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Interesting observations and predictions from https://twitter.com/OperationalInc1.  

There is a lot of work to be done at Albion.


The airport lines in this design are up and over the locals onto the Jacana Easement.

Sunshine isn't getting additional track/platforms? If not, putting on my soothsayer's hat, I predict that BG's commute will deteriorate further
Lockspike
Sunshine has been future proofed for an additional track pair for RRL, never for the Airport. Not even sure if RRL will be Quad track as it was originally designed, now that $4B is being wasted on ramming Geelong trains up the smeg of Newport SAS. It doesn't need two new platforms to cater for the Airport, current arrangement will work just fine. It will need modifications when Melton is sparked, whenever that may be...

As for the pretty pictures released, it seems like this is the most sensible and cost effective option of navigating Albion, Ballarat Road and St Albans Road. No further information on extending the RRL track pair for Bendigo which needs to go beyond wherever airport joins the Sunbury line. An additional bridge is required over Anderson Road, or this short section of track is going to get one hell of a work out.
Albion looses some of its car parking, but will gain a bike path and x number of MCGs worth of 'open space' as is all the rage these days. Maybe Albion might even score an upgrade as part of the Airport works, there is a dimly lit subway where foundations for the rail bridge will need to go.

No surprises for anything else, except what they are doing with the other $5B.

Lockie
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
There is very little space around Sunshine station itself for anymore platforms, but as others have said, this is fine for now*, as the Airport line can exist on the current suburban line between Sunbury line services.

Down from Sunshine things improve and there is plenty of space West of the current lines from past the new H.V. McKay Bridge.

I suspect the following is what will happen:

1. The Bendigo RRL line will need to be moved, where it currently diverges to the Sunbury line, it will instead slew further to the South West, and run clear past Albion and as far as to where the Sunbury line passes under the M80 Ring Rd, and this is where the Bendigo line should diverge back into the Sunbury line.

No residential property acquisitions would be required, although the old electrical substation at Albion may not be longed for this world.

There is enough space under the Ballarat Rd overpass to fit another track pair, Albion station will lose a fair chunk of its car park though.

2. In the now vacant location that used to be where the Bendigo RRL diverged with the Sunbury line, there will be a new diverge for the new Airport Line. This line will then run parallel and between the Bendigo and Sunbury lines, rising fast to climb over both the Ballarat Rd overpass and the Sunbury line and then it will descend to eventually run at ground level alongside the Albion - Jacana Goods line.

Two new track pairs will need to cross Anderson Rd, so this will require significant bridge works, the Southern most of which will need to be elevated to some degree to provide enough road clearance underneath. This will result in 7 tracks crossing Anderson Rd.



* While Airport and Sunbury line services can fit on this single pair of suburban tracks without too much of a problem, it remains to be seen what happens when Melton and possibly also Wyndham Vale sparks have to squeeze through here also. It would seem, that is being left as a problem for another day.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There is very little space around Sunshine station itself for anymore platforms, but as others have said, this is fine for now*, as the Airport line can exist on the current suburban line between Sunbury line services.

Down from Sunshine things improve and there is plenty of space West of the current lines from past the new H.V. McKay Bridge.

I suspect the following is what will happen:

1. The Bendigo RRL line will need to be moved, where it currently diverges to the Sunbury line, it will instead slew further to the South West, and run clear past Albion and as far as to where the Sunbury line passes under the M80 Ring Rd, and this is where the Bendigo line should diverge back into the Sunbury line.

No residential property acquisitions would be required, although the old electrical substation at Albion may not be longed for this world.

There is enough space under the Ballarat Rd overpass to fit another track pair, Albion station will lose a fair chunk of its car park though.

2. In the now vacant location that used to be where the Bendigo RRL diverged with the Sunbury line, there will be a new diverge for the new Airport Line. This line will then run parallel and between the Bendigo and Sunbury lines, rising fast to climb over both the Ballarat Rd overpass and the Sunbury line and then it will descend to eventually run at ground level alongside the Albion - Jacana Goods line.

Two new track pairs will need to cross Anderson Rd, so this will require significant bridge works, the Southern most of which will need to be elevated to some degree to provide enough road clearance underneath. This will result in 7 tracks crossing Anderson Rd.



* While Airport and Sunbury line services can fit on this single pair of suburban tracks without too much of a problem, it remains to be seen what happens when Melton and possibly also Wyndham Vale sparks have to squeeze through here also. It would seem, that is being left as a problem for another day.
Gman_86
The same thing was said when they were building the Regional Rail Link through Sunshine, What they come up with depends on how much money get put on the table.

Such as a larger 6 + platform station could be built just South of the existing Sunshine Railway Station, freeing up room for a flying junction, the Ballarat line junction could be put on a broader curve.

The Goods line Junction at Albion should be made a broader curve too.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

There is very little space around Sunshine station itself for anymore platforms, but as others have said, this is fine for now*, as the Airport line can exist on the current suburban line between Sunbury line services.
Gman_86
When Sunshine was rebuilt as part of RRL, it was designed for an additional track pair as part of the future (maybe never now) quading of RRL and sparking to WV & Melton (Little less than never). Platform 4 becomes an Island Platform and a new platform 6 is constructed in the current City Place Car Park, pushing the forecourt out to the City Place Roundabout. This entire area has been left untouched since RRL finished.

Hampshire Road underpass already has space ready to go thanks to an unusually wide pedestrian walkway. The service laneway to the rear of shops on City Place goes, along with a slice of the Sun Crescent Carpark. Round the bend and under the already wide enough Anderson Road. Some rudimentary pictures below. That was the grand plan back in 2007, which will need to happen one day to accomodate future Melton Metro Services.

As for the Airport, it does not need, nor will it ever need, its own platforms. The only reason to ever go down the track Laughing is if boardings were so heavy it was causing crowding and safety issues at Sunshine. Think hundreds boarding and alighting on every service. I cant see 400 - 500 people waiting on platform 2 for an airport service.  


1. The Bendigo RRL line will need to be moved, where it currently diverges to the Sunbury line, it will instead slew further to the South West, and run clear past Albion and as far as to where the Sunbury line passes under the M80 Ring Rd, and this is where the Bendigo line should diverge back into the Sunbury line. No residential property acquisitions would be required, although the old electrical substation at Albion may not be longed for this world. There is enough space under the Ballarat Rd overpass to fit another track pair, Albion station will lose a fair chunk of its car park though.
Gman_86

As much as many would love to see this happen, myself included. I cant see it happening if the government has chosen to 'Skyrail' over Ballarat Road. They have side stepped the costly modification works to Ballarat Road and reconfiguring the local road network around Albion. I'd love to see RRL go all the way out to Ginifer with a proper flyover.
It is more likely that we will see Airport 'Skyrail' continue over Anderson Road, with the diverge between Anderson Road and Sunshine Station.

But with all that said and $7-10 Billion in the bank Airport, Sunshine and RRL could all be upgraded as mentioned with money still left over in the kitty. This would go some way to shoring up the business case with 'wider economic benefits'

although the old electrical substation at Albion may not be longed for this world.
Gman_86
The Albion Power House is heritage listed and not going anywhere. They are in fact constructing a new substation to the side of the building as part of the Sunbury Line Upgrade.

Lockie

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  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Thanks for that @Lockie91 . Covered many of the issues.

Agreed that pushing RRL to the north of Albion would be a better outcome. It would create a lot more room to do a neat and high(ish) speed Sunbury/Airport merge
I dont agree about Ballarat Rd.
There is plenty of room underneath for another 2 tracks. Hells bells, there is already an abandoned track there rotting away.

Plenty of room for 2 tracks in front of the Power stration, one of them already there. The awkward bit is they plonked the stantions right in the middle of the old track, but those overheads would have to shift for the skyrail anyways.

The big problem is the BG freight trains on RRL crossing over to the Albion loop. Very much in the way of everything else.
Gunzel alert. Tell ARTC "use it or lose it"

1. Is there enough BG frieght going up the Albion loop to even bother? Shut it off?

2. Assuming "yes" then re-route the BG from Tottenham and Brooklyn to follow the SG paths on the north side of Sunshine and around Albion.
Yep, duplicate (or Double Guage) the fly-over, 2 tracks thru Sunshine (SG and DG), take up the empty spot on the Anderson St bridge.
The chances of a Sunshine platform for the Albury train would be as slim as the space remaining.

end Gunzel
cheers
John
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
Oh dear,

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/fears-plan-for-sunshine-rail-super-hub-will-be-watered-down-20210409-p57hu1.html
doyle
A beat up.
As soon as they announced that Airport rail would share with Sunbury thru MM1, that was the end of the need to do anything at Sunshine.
It's a train project, not urban renewal.

When Melton/Wyndham Vale get sparks, that is another project for another time to re-examine how Sunshine will cope.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Oh dear,

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/fears-plan-for-sunshine-rail-super-hub-will-be-watered-down-20210409-p57hu1.html
A beat up.
As soon as they announced that Airport rail would share with Sunbury thru MM1, that was the end of the need to do anything at Sunshine.
It's a train project, not urban renewal.

When Melton/Wyndham Vale get sparks, that is another project for another time to re-examine how Sunshine will cope.
justarider
What a load of crap, Brimbank can hold their hand out and beg for more money as much as they like. Small Scale Urban renewal is up to them to fund, not the State Government.

There is more than $2Billion worth of private investment underway or about to get underway within the Sunshine NEIC. New office and apartment towers will start sprouting over the next few years. It up to the council to have the right planning mix in place to encourage development.

This was the same council that only a few weeks ago wanted Sunshine & Albion to be merged into one 'Super Station'.

But my favourite line from the 2050 Plan was them thinking Sunshine was going to be turned into an Airport lounge.

"The strategy envisions specific upgrades for airport passengers that would include “check-in” facilities, luggage storage, waiting lounges and a tourist visitor centre."

Lockie
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
More images of the planned Airport railway and the 'skyrail' at Albion. National Trust concerns about the nearby Darling & Son flour mill.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/developers-heritage-protectors-line-up-over-airport-rail-bridge-plans-20210412-p57idl.html

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

More images of the planned Airport railway and the 'skyrail' at Albion. National Trust concerns about the nearby Darling & Son flour mill.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/developers-heritage-protectors-line-up-over-airport-rail-bridge-plans-20210412-p57idl.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
Worth noting this comment by the Department in the article:

"A government spokeswoman said the overpass was the chosen design because it avoided issues involving relocating a jet fuel pipeline and the need to rebuild Ballarat and St Albans roads."

Part of that pipeline was relocated for the Anderson Rd LX crossing project as part of the RRL in 2014 btw...
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Free at last, free at last
More images of the planned Airport railway and the 'skyrail' at Albion. National Trust concerns about the nearby Darling & Son flour mill.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/developers-heritage-protectors-line-up-over-airport-rail-bridge-plans-20210412-p57idl.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
I like the bit about the bridge being 50m high.

The new residents in the flour mill wouldn't have to worry about looking out onto the bridge, they'd see straight under it.
  3088D Station Master

More images of the planned Airport railway and the 'skyrail' at Albion. National Trust concerns about the nearby Darling & Son flour mill.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/developers-heritage-protectors-line-up-over-airport-rail-bridge-plans-20210412-p57idl.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
Another media beat up, and unreferenced so we can’t check the source of the statement by Simon Ambrose, the CEO of National Trust Vic. Ambrose is concerned not just about the rail viaduct, but also questions the appropriateness of converting the old mill into a hotel, and justifiably - the developers are not concerned with the building itself but the profitability of the refit and the future hotel within the old mill. The Age skews Ambrose's comments to align with the developer’s concerns about the railway viaduct making it a bit of a drama, and adds a some spice by reiterating the twitterings of the Brimbank mayor about Sunshine station no longer being planned as a “Super Hub”, which as far as I can find was a label given only by the press and interested third parties. If that’s not enough creative writing, the piece also invents the possibility, without any evidence, that the Planning Minister will override any concerns and intervene in favour of the rail project.

The corker is that the graphic at the foot of the article labelled "Stations proposed for airport rail link” wrongly identifies Southern Cross and Airport West as stops on the route. I remember a time when The Age was better than this.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
The Age is the best of an under resourced lot. With such criticism, it's likely News Ltd won't escape without a bruising either.

The broadsheet media as it stands today is clearly a shadow of its former self.

Mike.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
FYI 3088D Premier's press release from 2018. The Super Hub was very much a government creation

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/airport-rail-take-under-labor-government
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

FYI 3088D Premier's press release from 2018. The Super Hub was very much a government creation

https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/airport-rail-take-under-labor-government
BrentonGolding
This was when I believe they wanted the Airport rail link to be some express line at the time (meaning addition platforms at Sunshine station), but has reverted to a commuter line connecting with the Metro tunnel like the original idea. With the Airport train using the Sunbury line, there would not be a need to change Sunshine station for the moment. Although once the Melton and Wyndham lines are electrified, they may look back on whether there's a need for extra platforms at Sunshine station.

Maybe the Sunshine super hub is catered towards the WRP instead of the MARL.

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