IBAC evidence exposes Transclean scheme to deliberately wipe dirty rags around carriages

 
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  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Is there anything to do with rail in Victoria that is not corrupt ?

IBAC evidence exposes Transclean scheme to deliberately wipe dirty rags around carriages

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
David Davis the Opposition Spokesman for Transport is now calling on the government to have an independent audit of V/Line and Metro Trains as this current inquiry is the 3 in 7 years.  Clearly something is not right and the money we are paying for construction in my view at least is way higher than what it should be.  People have lost confidence in the process and that means the process and people must change.

Over to here please
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I don't remember the last time I agreed with Davis, but this time I do. This fiasco is huge. How many are involved, how was it all concealed until now, how much taxpayers' money is down the gurgler, how did it all escape the auditors ( if any), and how is it going to be stopped from ever happening again?
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I don't remember the last time I agreed with Davis, but this time I do. This fiasco is huge. How many are involved, how was it all concealed until now, how much taxpayers' money is down the gurgler, how did it all escape the auditors ( if any), and how is it going to be stopped from ever happening again?
Valvegear

Indeed.  I think this is wholesale corruption and is in the billions.
  RustyRick Chief Commissioner

Location: South West Vic
And using private industry to run things is soooo much cheaper and efficient... Rolling Eyes

The story also says that other monopolies running the same model should also be investigated.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
And using private industry to run things is soooo much cheaper and efficient... Rolling Eyes

The story also says that other monopolies running the same model should also be investigated.
RustyRick
Yeah well, those with long memories will remember the corruption of the govt run monopiles and unlike the odd private one was much harder to stamp out as you cannot dismiss the govt paid Management.

Basically, someone got caught dipping into the cooking jar. The contractor will be either fined contractually, contract terminated or not renewed and potentially sent to the public prosecutor for potential criminal charges. The benefits of not having heavily protected govt employees run the show.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yeah well, those with long memories will remember the corruption of the govt run monopiles and unlike the odd private one was much harder to stamp out as you cannot dismiss the govt paid Management.
RTT_Rules
Agreed, some of the stories that I have been told about rackets back in the "good old" days both in Vic Government railways and in rolling stock manufacturing businesses are amazing. How these things were able to go on for years without any action being taken defies belief

And before anyone asks yes, these stories were from people actually involved and no, I am not going to betray any confidences so don't bother asking for details.

I will say is that my years of working for government owned banks were a real eye opener in terms of how wide spread waste, mismanagement and outright criminality were in those institutions. Some of the people I worked with and for should have been sent to gaol for what they did but were promoted instead.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Yikes!!! And after the recent Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry.
  tayser Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
a few too many people running to a conclusion on how things should change when we havent really acknowledged that the IBAC process is actually doing its job and would probably continue to do its job whether things were in private or public hands.

Let it run its course.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yikes!!! And after the recent Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry.
kitchgp
Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the sort of things covered in the RC, I was referring to more grass roots level theft of property and other things by staff working in bank branches and operations centres.

The sort of things that I would describe as rackets, ongoing thefts and a sense of entitlement to not only a well paying and safe job but a bit of a drink for yourself on top of that just to make it worth your while going to work every now and then
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
What IBAC needs to look at in my view is the constant inaction and delays around freight services on rail resuming.  A business case, actually a profitable and strong business case for an inter modal terminal at Ouyen has been submitted but Freight Victoria will not act.  You will never see a level of commitment and business case for an intermodal terminal but it is stone walled.  Why?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What IBAC needs to look at in my view is the constant inaction and delays around freight services on rail resuming.  A business case, actually a profitable and strong business case for an inter modal terminal at Ouyen has been submitted but Freight Victoria will not act.  You will never see a level of commitment and business case for an intermodal terminal but it is stone walled.  Why?
bevans
That is highly unlikely to be corruption at work more likely either Government / Public Service laziness or Government not wanting to commit to spending more money on rail infrastructure

I have read most of the BC and it looks quite good but as always it is asking others to foot the bill and then hope that the traffic comes good. a simplification I know but still asking for $$$ for infrastructure that the government doesn't have ATM
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The more I thought about this sham https://t.co/4GzaVQXmj2 over the weekend (easter break) and how shocking this really is.  How dare these people deliberately undermine the safety of the public transport system.  I was trying to think of what offence these people had committed.  There must be one.

There would have to have been multiple breaches of contract?

Does transclean still have the contract to clean the metro rolling stock?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Yikes!!! And after the recent Royal Commission into Misconduct in the Banking, Superannuation and Financial Services Industry.

Just to clarify, I'm not talking about the sort of things covered in the RC, I was referring to more grass roots level theft of property and other things by staff working in bank branches and operations centres.

The sort of things that I would describe as rackets, ongoing thefts and a sense of entitlement to not only a well paying and safe job but a bit of a drink for yourself on top of that just to make it worth your while going to work every now and then
BrentonGolding
Banks have been privatised for more than 20 years, so things haven't improved, just moved up into the higher echelons.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
What IBAC needs to look at in my view is the constant inaction and delays around freight services on rail resuming.  A business case, actually a profitable and strong business case for an inter modal terminal at Ouyen has been submitted but Freight Victoria will not act.  You will never see a level of commitment and business case for an intermodal terminal but it is stone walled.  Why?
That is highly unlikely to be corruption at work more likely either Government / Public Service laziness or Government not wanting to commit to spending more money on rail infrastructure

I have read most of the BC and it looks quite good but as always it is asking others to foot the bill and then hope that the traffic comes good. a simplification I know but still asking for $$$ for infrastructure that the government doesn't have ATM
BrentonGolding
The contracts for cleaning the trains aren't properly policed by the government themselves - there was a scandal when I was still living in Melbourne around Metro's sub contractors subbing out the work to people who were subsequently being paid $10 an hour or something ridiculously low like that. These cleaning contracts are being perpetually rorted with kick-backs, substandard working conditions etc and nobody in authority seems to care because it involves low paid (generally) migrants.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

How dare these people deliberately undermine the safety of the public transport system.
bevans
Avaricious hearts know no shame.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Apart from the corruption issue, depending on the generator of the bin juice, it could kill staff members.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Apart from the corruption issue, depending on the generator of the bin juice, it could kill staff members.
route14
And take whatever pestilence it was home to their families as well. If this all turns out to be true it needs jail time for all involved.
While they're at it put a limit on how many levels of subcontracting you can go to. One is my preferred number.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apart from the corruption issue, depending on the generator of the bin juice, it could kill staff members.
And take whatever pestilence it was home to their families as well. If this all turns out to be true it needs jail time for all involved.
While they're at it put a limit on how many levels of subcontracting you can go to. One is my preferred number.
Madjikthise

Clearly the Transclean Directors need to go to jail as they are ultimately responsbile.

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