Aussie politics thread (2)

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
You're losing this argument big-time and that's the best you've got?
Just go away you ignorant, selfish man. Stick to commenting about your bigoted, revolting country that you live in and stop coming here to give your two cents on a country you turned your back on.
Don,
You have made so many unfounded and mostly incorrect statements its not funny and now you state I'm loosing the argument, best of got, then you come back with the classic Don loosing response, making insulting and attacking commentary about me, the place I current live and work.

Don, you have just proved that one, you are not interested to learn about desal and why it was chosen and becoming the technology of choice globally for supplying water where other options are not practical and two your comments are nothing more than pathetic.
RTT_Rules
This might surprise you but attacking the place in Australia where I've decided to make my home actually annoyed me for some reason - especially the part about where we should just put up with whatever the eastern seaboard generously decides to give us given our historic reliance on that water. It's not called the Commonwealth for no reason - they're supposed to be governing for all of us not just the most populous states.

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I am not an expert in hydrology and yet you are demanding that I come up with a list of suitable sites for new reservoirs. Why is that my job?
The reason is simple. You're the big mouth who claimed that there were plenty of available catchment sites in NSW and Victoria.  In your last post, you boasted that you'd put up two acceptable sites. Now, when that was shown to be wrong, you've  done a 180 degree turn and pleaded that it's not your field.
Once again, you've made a statement and, when challenged to back it up, discovered that you'd painted yourself into a corner. If you hunt the tiger, you must expect to get bitten.
Valvegear
There ARE plenty of places for massive great water storages - even that report identified several rivers but then went on to conclude as you do that desal is wonderful and like 'free water' because its not at the expense of any environmental flow. But as I've explained before a local water grid could potentially solve all those problems.

Yes hydrology ISN'T my field but if you know something about the political history (as we both do) the watershed moment (pardon the pun) was Franklin-below-Gordon in which case the 'green' movement as it loosely was back then had a High Court victory getting the Commonwealth to over-rule Tasmania's decision to go ahead with a dam in an extremely remote part of Tassie. Hawke made it an election promise and then made it happen but it meant the power of veto changed to ultimately be with the Commonwealth not the states.

Anyway in places where those schemes are already constructed they're serving our nation exceptionally well as they were intended: Hydo-electicity on demand and the bonus of supporting some NSW and VIC's irrigation schemes - you can't deny that. The Snowy system, the various schemes especially Bolte's construction of vast reservoirs across Victoria in the 1950's/60's. That existing infrastructure should form the backbone of a very good water transfer scheme across VIC but alas the Bracks government didn't go down that path.

We don't really have the sites here in SA unless we found some in the mid-north and even then you'd have to trade some local landholder and environmental approvals to get stuff done now. I know the controversial history of this stuff as well as you do - the old town of Tallangatta VIC being a casualty. It's not without its victims. Probably the Hume and Eildon would never, ever be built now in the twenty-first century because just way too many people would scream blue murder on the human costs of relocation in constructing new operational water storage.

But it's the 'greenest' way to go, we both know that. You can't pretend to be an adherent to the Church of the Carbon Fairy and think electrically produced reverse osmosis ocean water is the answer to a water shortage. There's no universe in which those two positions can occupy the same space - 100% carbon off-set to make that water is just rubbish.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Mike never, ever misses an opportunity to deride me, Shane - it goes back several years to my dislike of the current form of the Overland train and Mike's irrational insistence on keeping it going.
"don_dunstan"
Well, of course that's a good reason to insult him; nobody should argue with Lord Muck of Greater Adelaide - not even someone as unfailingly polite as The Vinelander.
P.S. I decided to use a nickname, just for the fun of it.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
There ARE plenty of places for massive great water storages (blah, blah, blah)
"don_dunstan"
Of course there are - nobody has said there aren't. But, there's no water to fill them with; it's been pointed out ad nauseam.
You keep posting  rhetoric and are consistently defeated by facts - give it a rest and spare us any more bovine excreta.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
There ARE plenty of places for massive great water storages (blah, blah, blah)
Of course there are - nobody has said there aren't. But, there's no water to fill them with; it's been pointed out ad nauseam.
You keep posting  rhetoric and are consistently defeated by facts - give it a rest and spare us any more bovine excreta.
Valvegear
I bet they've been telling the good people of NSW the exact same thing - "We can build dams but there will never be enough rain to fill them with again". If only they'd had MORE dams to capture some of that windfall rain with - eh, Valvegear?

Let's just agree that in this instance I'm correct and you're brainwashed by Labor (as usual) into agreeing with their bad, energy intensive and carbon spewing decision.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

I bet they've been telling the good people of NSW the exact same thing - "We can build dams but there will never be enough rain to fill them with again". If only they'd had MORE dams to capture some of that windfall rain with - eh, Valvegear?
Obviously. However, you are overlooking the equally obvious conclusion. That massive rainfall was an oddity, and completely different from the normal pattern. We are talking about long term infrastructure, and you cannot plan that by relying on one freak year to fill dams. Planning has to be done based upon normal climatic conditions. In other words, your comment is irrelevant. It is also irrelevant to Victoria which was where you had all these beaut sites for dams which you couldn't demonstrate when asked.

Let's just agree that in this instance I'm correct and you're brainwashed by Labor (as usual) into agreeing with their bad, energy intensive and carbon spewing decision.
One of your more absurd remarks. You have ignored all relevant evidence, failed to demonstrate your claims, and resorted to your customary politics-based abuse. Irrelevance and mind-reading are no substitute for logic.

I used to think that you were eccentric; now I'm convinced that you are irrational and in need of professional help, as other people have previously said. Whilst you continue to ignore the precepts of sensible debate, I'm not interested. I like dealing with clear-headed, thoughtful people of whom there are many on Railpage. You are not one of them. Regardless of whatever answer you give this time, I will ignore it. You are not debating; you are behaving like a spoilt child screaming, "It is; it is; it is!" ad nauseam despite irrefutable proof that it isn't.
Valvegear
I could not put it any better myself. That is Don to a tee.


Michael

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