Would you ride The Ghan with Ray Martin?

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 25 Apr 2021 10:03
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Back from Darwin and find this now a Ghan trip from Victoria to Darwin.  Would this be the first time the Ghan has ever used Victoria on a trip?

I have a suspicion this might be a new marketing move to test the market by having the Ghan working from Melbourne to Darwin on occasions?

Would you ride The Ghan with Ray Martin?

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  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Inverleigh seems like a weird place to start a train for Darwin. Is there a platform these days?

Perhaps a future trip from Portland. Or The Rock.

Good to know that Ray Martin is still alive.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I was once on a plane with Ray Martin, didn't see him though...
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Would there be a discount?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No!
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

inverleigh is where Journey Beyond stop the Great Southern. There is no platform there, the staff set up stairs and ramps like they do on Ghan stops.

I'd guess that turning the train around there is that much more workable for a one-off promo exercise than trying to secure a path into Melbourne and back out again.

The Ghan briefly ran to Melbourne about 20 years ago, but it was really just the Overland (running in the same path as the Overland was running on other days/nights) with a handful of through coaches from the Ghan. There was a layover of about 6 hours in Adelaide, during which time the through passengers were kicked off the train and told to amuse themselves while the through coaches were marshalled for the following sector.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The Ghan usually runs to 35 carriages these days. Assuming your scheduled departure time is nowhere near any arrival or departure time of The Overland, the XPT to Sydney or the Albury train and you had free access to both platforms 1 & 2 at Southern Cross, the maximum you could get into platform 2 at southern Cross is about 19 or 20, and you could squeeze another 8 or 9 into platform 1. That would still leave you at least 7 carriages short.

My guess is this is the main reason it will not go into Melbourne.

Boarding passengers at Inverleigh is a bit odd for the start of the journey, but it isn't really any different to most of the mid-journey stops the IP or the Ghan do anyway, they usually stop in the middle of nowhere, their staff seem quite capable at this sort of thing, although I do wonder how they cope with passengers with special needs (Wheelchairs etc).


As to the original question, I wouldn't not ride The Ghan just because Ray was present, but I wouldn't go out of my way to follow Ray around the country either.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Who's Ray Martin?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Is he a boxing referee from 30 years ago?



https://youtu.be/Jw1HTm-I_c8
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If Victoriia were serious about the Ghan and the Southern would you not start to urgently plan a platform at Inveigh?  We so not appear ot be on top of our game in Victoria when it comes to passenger rail.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Is he a boxing referee from 30 years ago?

Carnot
I remember watching that.

Ron Casey was 15 years Normie Row's senior and passed away a few years ago.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Where is 'Inveigh' Question
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
A purpose built platform at Inverleigh for the Great Southern and a potentially extended Ghan would need to be about 800m long to cater for the entirety of the trains that would be using it. It would instantly be the longest railway platform in the state. And for what? Half a dozen trains per year? If you are going to do that, then you may as well put one in Ballarat across the road from MARS stadium for the couple of AFL games they host there per year. At least that would get used.

Once you start talking about spending on putting in stations for rare special events only (single figure use per year) then you will get a lot of communities putting their hands up.

On the other hand, if Victoria are serious about having The Ghan start and end its journey in Victoria, then they need to bite the bullet and duel gauge platform 3 at Southern Cross to handle the extra length trains.

Inverleigh may do as a wayside stop to pick up/ drop off pass on excursions, but if the state wants to take this seriously, DG pl 3 and let them come into the city.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Run a SG spur line down to Corio Quay where the Spirit of Tasmania is going to dock soon.  Call it the "Devonport to Darwin Dasher..."  (Ducks for cover)
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Run a SG spur line down to Corio Quay where the Spirit of Tasmania is going to dock soon.  Call it the "Devonport to Darwin Dasher..."  (Ducks for cover)
Carnot
Now you make me long for a passenger rail service between Devonport and Hobart.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Now you make me long for a passenger rail service between Devonport and Hobart.
"Gman_86"
Go right ahead - all you need is a money tree.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Run a SG spur line down to Corio Quay where the Spirit of Tasmania is going to dock soon.  Call it the "Devonport to Darwin Dasher..."  (Ducks for cover)
Carnot
A disused dual gauge siding does go down towards Corio Quay.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
A purpose built platform at Inverleigh for the Great Southern and a potentially extended Ghan would need to be about 800m long to cater for the entirety of the trains that would be using it. It would instantly be the longest railway platform in the state. And for what? Half a dozen trains per year? If you are going to do that, then you may as well put one in Ballarat across the road from MARS stadium for the couple of AFL games they host there per year. At least that would get used.

Once you start talking about spending on putting in stations for rare special events only (single figure use per year) then you will get a lot of communities putting their hands up.

On the other hand, if Victoria are serious about having The Ghan start and end its journey in Victoria, then they need to bite the bullet and duel gauge platform 3 at Southern Cross to handle the extra length trains.

Inverleigh may do as a wayside stop to pick up/ drop off pass on excursions, but if the state wants to take this seriously, DG pl 3 and let them come into the city.
Gman_86

No one would be expecting an 800m railway station to be built but we need one there and it could also be used for the Overland if required.  This state wastes billions on other useless projects and cannot find a a few million to look professional to interstate and international tourists.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

If some/all Ghan runs were extended into Victoria, I fully expect that the majority of passengers would still start northbound journeys and finish southbound trips in Adelaide.

The Ghan in 2021 is not about getting from A to B, but a tourism experience. The distinctive parts of the Ghan experience are all done well before the train reaches Adelaide and will not be made more complete by having an overnight trundle to Melbourne tacked on the end.

The big obstacle is not where the train would terminate in Victoria (I agree that Inverleigh is not ideal for regular use, as suitable as it will be for a one-off promo) but the timing of everything. Even if only part of the train goes on the Adelaide-Melbourne sector for the smaller number of passengers (which may open up more options other than Inverleigh) that's still going to require additional rolling stock to keep everything running.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

How long since a passenger train (excluding railfan specials) has made a planned service stop for passengers at Inverleigh?
  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
How long since a passenger train (excluding railfan specials) has made a planned service stop for passengers at Inverleigh?
hbedriver
Great Southern in January of 2020, for the Pickup of Passengers coming back from the Grampians en route to NSW. Tis interesting how GSR rather use Inverleigh as a point of departure. Probably significantly nicer than North Shore and more rustic comparatively.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
Run a SG spur line down to Corio Quay where the Spirit of Tasmania is going to dock soon.  Call it the "Devonport to Darwin Dasher..."  (Ducks for cover)
Carnot
Do you mean like the D/G Line that was removed two weeks ago to make way for the new Spirit of Tasmania Terminal that is to be constructed? There are only two things that remain, Signal CGL54 and the bridge across Cowies Creek.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Run a SG spur line down to Corio Quay where the Spirit of Tasmania is going to dock soon.  Call it the "Devonport to Darwin Dasher..."  (Ducks for cover)
Do you mean like the D/G Line that was removed two weeks ago to make way for the new Spirit of Tasmania Terminal that is to be constructed? There are only two things that remain, Signal CGL54 and the bridge across Cowies Creek.
Jack Le Lievre
For goodness sake!

Although to be honest it would probably need rebuilding anyway to hold a train, and possibly on a slightly different alignment too.

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