Help tracing carriage history - 17AW

 
  diahannm Beginner

Hello everyone

First time poster here so please forgive me if I get anything wrong.

I have just acquired an old Victorian Railways carriage (17AW) and I am trying to work out the best way to uncover its history.

I’ve seen the stapled book that talks about when the carriages were constructed by number, etc but I’m also keen to find out what lines it might have been run on - and when it was decommissioned.

Thanks

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  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Good morning, and welcome.

I’d suggest starting at:-www.victorianrailways.net

Follow links then to “rolling stock”, then “passenger carriages”.  These is a page about AW cars, complete with photos and diagrams.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

Good morning, and welcome.

I’d suggest starting at:-www.victorianrailways.net

Follow links then to “rolling stock”, then “passenger carriages”.  These is a page about AW cars, complete with photos and diagrams.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Apologies to all for the double reply. If anyone knows how to delete one, please do so.
hbedriver
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  M636C Minister for Railways

If you can get access to Victorian Railways Working Timetables, certainly in the 1960s, these listed the composition by vehicle type of all regularly scheduled trains, so you could find which trains used AW type vehicles.

In general, before air conditioned carriages were introduced, the most important trains used "E" type carriages (AE or BE) and the "W" type  were the next level down, being similar in fittings but shorter with fewer compartments.

My recollection was that "W" cars were used on Geelong trains. They were added to trains of "E" cars at busy times.

Peter
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
As Peter has said the 'best' trains got E cars and the rest got Ws if they were lucky plus a sprinkling of PLs.
As a generalisation, the W cars would have run everywhere on just about anything and everything except the Spirit and the Overland at one stage or other of their life.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Try Peter Vincent's site. This link is to the AW page where you will find a list of his photos, some of which can be viewed and under the large photo is a vehicle history. which gives build date, shopping dates including notable modifications, withdrawal, disposal and other final details. Doesn't include lines or trains used on but as was posted earlier Victorianrailways.net has some WTT pdfs which will give an idea of the trains AWs ran on.

PJV AW
Neil
  Bills_Billboards Chief Commissioner

Would this car have non original dome lights fitted in the compartments and polished timber internally across the windows frames?
  historian Deputy Commissioner

As Peter has said the 'best' trains got E cars and the rest got Ws if they were lucky plus a sprinkling of PLs.
As a generalisation, the W cars would have run everywhere on just about anything and everything except the Spirit and the Overland at one stage or other of their life.
YM-Mundrabilla

While technically true that they could have run anywhere, and on special trains probably did, in practice they'd only be seen on a relatively small number of lines that ran locomotive hauled passenger trains. I can't imagine that an AW was commonly seen at Kooloonong.

Almost all branch lines and even secondary main lines were served by railmotors/railcars and would have rarely seen any 'modern' passenger car. At best the secondary main lines would have seen a locomotive hauled RM replacement train during peak travel times (e.g. Easter) made up of 19th C stock. In the brief period between the introduction of the W class and the widespread replacement of mixed trains by railmotors, the stock used on the mixed trains would have been the aforementioned 19th C stock, not the brand new quality stock.

Lines on which loco hauled passenger trains ran (post introduction of the W class) included: Melbourne - Geelong - Port Fairy; Melbourne - Ballarat - Ararat - Dimboola (and probably Adelaide occasionally on 2nd division Overlands); Melbourne - Mildura; Melbourne - Bendigo - Swan Hill; Melbourne - Shepparton - Tocumwal; Melbourne - Albury; Melbourne - Bairnsdale; Melbourne - Foster; Melbourne - Crib Point - Stony Point; Melbourne - Healesville & Melbourne - Warburton. If you add Sunday excursions, you can add Daylesford and Mornington.

However, the W class cars were only one class of 'modern' cars and wouldn't have been found on all of these lines. In the mid '60s, for example, the WTTs suggest that W class cars were mainly used on the shorter & medium distance country services - Geelong, Ballarat, Seymour etc. Longer distance services were the domain of the better cars - E, S, & Z, although ABWs & CWs were used for strengthening on heavy days.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

I recall riding an AW car back from Ararat (caught the DRC from Portland) to Ballarat in February 1977, so they occasionally at least got a run on a Dimboola even then.

My earlier question remains; where was the car prior to purchase, and what are you planning for it in future?
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
She hasn't been online since the message was posted 5 days ago.

M.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
I recall riding an AW car back from Ararat (caught the DRC from Portland) to Ballarat in February 1977, so they occasionally at least got a run on a Dimboola even then.

My earlier question remains; where was the car prior to purchase, and what are you planning for it in future?
hbedriver
Peter Vincent recorded it as being held for preservation by the Mornington Rail Preservation Society in 1988 and "preserved" in 1996, presumably by that group.

Neil

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