XPT to Adelaide

 
Topic moved from South Australia by dthead on 25 Nov 2018 23:54
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Can Australian National be brought back to life as a new entity? Same logos, colours etc, even though it was dissolved? Back to the future.

It would be funny if the XPT power cars were retired in favour of EL or AN locos for hook and pull across the borders. They could even change the liveries of the locos.

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  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
See what I mean?
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

Can Australian National be brought back to life as a new entity? Same logos, colours etc, even though it was dissolved? Back to the future.

It would be funny if the XPT power cars were retired in favour of EL or AN locos for hook and pull across the borders. They could even change the liveries of the locos.
ANR
Well, considering that the ELs' are nearing 30 years old, what makes you think that you would not be changing 1 problem for another?
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Would there be anything stopping the XPT replacement being scheduled to make the journey between Adelaide and Sydney via Broken Hill if it were to be funded?
bevans
The SA Government paperwork, including funding their share of the costs etc for the Sydney Adelaide XPT, would perhaps be very similar to the Victorian funding paperwork, for the Victorian share of the costs of the Sydney Melbourne XPT.

Maybe Victorians can remind us of what is involved, including cost sharing arrangements, in allowing the Sydney Melbourne XPT operations?
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
I wonder why I hear grumbling? Oh no, I raised an old thread! Anyways...

At the time that I posted this thread. I was only 12 at a Special Needs School who couldn't spell Standard Gauge. Hooray that I now can spell it!

As you might be able to see that doing this at the time was a horrible mistake. And did not get the kind of reply's that I was hoping for.

Now, after somewhat good feedback and research into this topic. I think I can now make a more sensible and more detailed proposal into this topic. But, these things can change overtime to better fit the situation. Look at the ECRL!


There is enough people who are driving to or from Adelaide and Sydney for at least a daily service to and from the 2 capital cities. People currently do not use the train as it's currently way more expensive than plane. Indian Pacific costs $639 pp. While Qantas usually has them priced just over $200 pp in Economy at this time. The price for Economy would be just over $150 on this service when the distance is compered.

There is the NRT train (New Regional Train) replacing the XPT, Xplorer, and Endeavor trains from 2023. And with plans to make the max speed in NSW to 200 km/h. Which the XPT and the NRT should be able to do. All we'd need to do is buy some more of the 6 car NRT's. And allow the other 10 into sleepers. It would allow also the overnight Melbourne and Brisbane services to continue.

The current service to Broken Hill will become apart of this new Adelaide Service. This would allow more services to the area. And allow new services to Mudgee, Young via Cowra, Forbes, and West Wyalong via Temora. And additional services to existing destinations, and extensions to them including Casino to Murwillumbah.

After this, the train would make a stop at. Peterborough, Jamestown, Gladstone, Snowtown, Mallala (pick up/drop off only), Sailsbury (pick up/drop off only), and Adelaide.

Now, you might be about to complain again that it's Adelaide Parklands. I know about that station. But it's not a good terminal station. It's just outside of the City Centre. With a not very pedestrian friendly walk to the City. There is also no buses, trains, or trams that stop at that station. You can only get a taxi if you don't have a car. And it's not very pedestrian friendly to the route 580 bus. Or to Adelaide Showground station. All we'd need to do is where the current track curves next to Adelaide Gaol. We'll add some dual gauge track between there and Adelaide Station. Like they have at Southern Cross station.

About Cockburn and Yunta. Have you heard of 'Halts'? That's where the train will only stop for you if you stick your arm out, or notify the staff before the station. The Rock, which gets 4 trains per day is quite a small town for that area. It survives because of the station being a halt. Areas like Cockburn and Yunta used to have larger populations because of the railways. And also because of being near the border. You can see that from the map of the town. With the railway gone. And not that much business. Those towns are rotting away slowly. These towns can be very important for the future of Australia. With Sydney and Melbourne not being able to cope. Regional Towns need to also help to make new jobs, and make them more attractive for people coming to Australia. The Railways play a critical part in this situation. I have removed them from the line. But them, and other tiny towns along the line may be important for the future.

Snowtown would play a critical part in new Intercity services to Wallaroo and Port Pirie. It's still incomplete, and would cause upsets like what happened above. All I can say is that there would be services to major towns in SA to Adelaide if they have a railway line abandoned or not.

The Overland would have fast trains like the NRT's. Having a Nightly and Daily service. This would target people who are currently using a car as well. Making that more feasible. And would have more of a NRT experience mixed with the current Overland experience.

While I'm talking about Victoria, there would also be a V/Line train to Mildura as well.

Now, I just gotta sit back. Hope I don't have anybody trying to eat my brains for raising the dead. And hope that I can reverse the past! I hope I did enough explaining... Took me over 2 hours to make this...
  theanimal Chief Commissioner

I wonder why I hear grumbling? Oh no, I raised an old thread! Anyways...

At the time that I posted this thread. I was only 12 at a Special Needs School who couldn't spell Standard Gauge. Hooray that I now can spell it!

As you might be able to see that doing this at the time was a horrible mistake. And did not get the kind of reply's that I was hoping for.

Now, after somewhat good feedback and research into this topic. I think I can now make a more sensible and more detailed proposal into this topic. But, these things can change overtime to better fit the situation. Look at the ECRL!


There is enough people who are driving to or from Adelaide and Sydney for at least a daily service to and from the 2 capital cities. People currently do not use the train as it's currently way more expensive than plane. Indian Pacific costs $639 pp. While Qantas usually has them priced just over $200 pp in Economy at this time. The price for Economy would be just over $150 on this service when the distance is compered.

There is the NRT train (New Regional Train) replacing the XPT, Xplorer, and Endeavor trains from 2023. And with plans to make the max speed in NSW to 200 km/h. Which the XPT and the NRT should be able to do. All we'd need to do is buy some more of the 6 car NRT's. And allow the other 10 into sleepers. It would allow also the overnight Melbourne and Brisbane services to continue.

The current service to Broken Hill will become apart of this new Adelaide Service. This would allow more services to the area. And allow new services to Mudgee, Young via Cowra, Forbes, and West Wyalong via Temora. And additional services to existing destinations, and extensions to them including Casino to Murwillumbah.

After this, the train would make a stop at. Peterborough, Jamestown, Gladstone, Snowtown, Mallala (pick up/drop off only), Sailsbury (pick up/drop off only), and Adelaide.

Now, you might be about to complain again that it's Adelaide Parklands. I know about that station. But it's not a good terminal station. It's just outside of the City Centre. With a not very pedestrian friendly walk to the City. There is also no buses, trains, or trams that stop at that station. You can only get a taxi if you don't have a car. And it's not very pedestrian friendly to the route 580 bus. Or to Adelaide Showground station. All we'd need to do is where the current track curves next to Adelaide Gaol. We'll add some dual gauge track between there and Adelaide Station. Like they have at Southern Cross station.

About Cockburn and Yunta. Have you heard of 'Halts'? That's where the train will only stop for you if you stick your arm out, or notify the staff before the station. The Rock, which gets 4 trains per day is quite a small town for that area. It survives because of the station being a halt. Areas like Cockburn and Yunta used to have larger populations because of the railways. And also because of being near the border. You can see that from the map of the town. With the railway gone. And not that much business. Those towns are rotting away slowly. These towns can be very important for the future of Australia. With Sydney and Melbourne not being able to cope. Regional Towns need to also help to make new jobs, and make them more attractive for people coming to Australia. The Railways play a critical part in this situation. I have removed them from the line. But them, and other tiny towns along the line may be important for the future.

Snowtown would play a critical part in new Intercity services to Wallaroo and Port Pirie. It's still incomplete, and would cause upsets like what happened above. All I can say is that there would be services to major towns in SA to Adelaide if they have a railway line abandoned or not.

The Overland would have fast trains like the NRT's. Having a Nightly and Daily service. This would target people who are currently using a car as well. Making that more feasible. And would have more of a NRT experience mixed with the current Overland experience.

While I'm talking about Victoria, there would also be a V/Line train to Mildura as well.

Now, I just gotta sit back. Hope I don't have anybody trying to eat my brains for raising the dead. And hope that I can reverse the past! I hope I did enough explaining... Took me over 2 hours to make this...
AheadMatthewawsome
Where do you get the $639 fare on the Indian, it is now promoted as a premium service t. i just looked at the website and it gives a fare of $1849?  (link herew: https://journeybeyondrail.com.au/guest-information/fares-and-timetables/indian-pacific-2021-fares-timetable/)

Your desire for a daily service, where are the carriages - locos - train crews - catering staff to come from?

You talk about economy - there is no economy on the Indian, there are no sitting cars on this service?


Your desire to restore services to Mudgee, Young via Cowra, Forbes, and West Wyalong via Temora. And additional services to existing destinations, and extensions to them including Casino to Murwillumbah.

to reopen the line between Rylstone would require significant investment, there is at least 1 bridge that is badly damaged, with many other timber bridges also near life expired.
Any services to Cowra also requires much investment, if running via Demondorille, the points on the main south line have been removed. There are also significant washaways between there and Cowra. Casino to Murwillumbah has had at least 1 bridge removed which again is a multi million dollar job.

All of the branch lines you have mentioned would require resleepering to a greater or lesser extent, tunnel clearances etc. Risk assessments on reopening lines would presumably determine that many of the passive control level crossings would now require active control crossings, again this is not cheap.

Have you any idea about the costs of your latest fantasy?

Just the logistics of the plans you have are daunting. I speak with some gravitas om these matters, after 45+ years in the rail industry in this country I have seen the disintegration of the country passenger trains in this network, but stop and consider for a moment a costbenefit analysis, are you seriously thinking that reopening the line between Lithgow and Mudgee for passenger trains only is a good spend for my tax dollars, it cannot be compared to the provision of the "Bathurst Bullet" service which uses an existing heavily trafficked line that it shares with freight services, XPT services and the Indian?

As a long term Train Controller, your comments about 200 KPH services again indicates an ignorance of train planning and programming. Trying to plan services with different speed profiles is already difficult.

Sorry to rain on your parade but people have moved away from passenger trains especially in NSW and SA. Just before Christmas I caught the Broken Hill to Sydney Explorer,  the trip was pleasant, the service from the staff was efficient, the passenger loading was possibly 45 passengers, that is not cost effective.
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Would there be anything stopping the XPT replacement being scheduled to make the journey between Adelaide and Sydney via Broken Hill if it were to be funded?

There is still merit in a federal transport department running interstate services and should be examined.
bevans
Why don't they find a private operator to take pax from BH to ADL? Maybe even .... a tramway?
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Well. This is a lot of things to clarify theanimal... All of them will be solved with just a little read.

First of all, on the website. It's $639 between Sydney and Adelaide. (link here: https://journeybeyondrail.com.au/journeys/indian-pacific/ )

Second, the pricing is Economy Class on this hypothetical service. This is based on the price to distance of current NSW Trainlink services
If I didn't explain that well in the last post. That's on me.

3rd, There are actually plans in the short to medium term to increase speed limits around NSW to 200 km/h +! (link here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/a-fast-rail-future-for-nsw#:~:text=Dedicated%20high%2Dspeed%20rail%2C%20with,line%2C%20and%20new%20rolling%20stock. )

4th, There are plans for a Regional Loop which also goes through Mudgee and Cowra. I wasn't aware of the situation there. As it's very difficult for me to get outside of Sydney. But if they are wanting to do this project. They would know about this and are willing to fix these issues on the line.

5th, There is quite strong support of the people of North East NSW to bring back the line to Murwillumbah. Look online, and you will see tons of articles about it! It isn't the only time they've done these things. Look at the Armidale Line!

6th, When you went to Broken Hill. Greater Sydney was under moderate COVID Restrictions. And the Northern Beaches was on Lockdown. People weren't interested to go in and out of Sydney during that time. This will probably revert after COVID is truly over.


7th, I haven't gone into that much detail on anything but the NSW Trainlink Adelaide Service. Because these are only loosely related to this topic.

8th, We'd be able to order additional NRTs from CAF. This isn't the first time we've done this. We did it just now in Sydney! There is also quite a few people who are looking for jobs as the economy recovers. Quite a few people would be interested in doing these kinds of work. And it's very easy for the Government to do it. They even have a whole website dedicated to new employment opportunities. I'm even in a program for future employment with Sydney Trains!

9th, Money for additional Regional Services can include. Funding from both the SA and NSW government. They both get on well. They did this for the Melbourne and Brisbane XPT.
You can also get money by allowing Freight Operators to use the line again to local industrys.

And finally, 10th.
You have your whole hearted right to disagree to these ideas. But there's not that much of an excuse to compleatly shut down someone, and shut them down forever, and ever. These plans morph overtime, and can be obsorbed with other ideas from different people that seem to be much better. Finally, if you rebuild it, they will come back.

Now, just gotta click and hopefully will not have to open my fantasy apolcapse bunker from this. It's not the only thing that's a fantasy, including that parade. Shows over, nothing to see here...

This didn't take longer than last time apparently. Must have been able to debunk these in rapid time!
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
ANR, first half is fine.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I wonder why I hear grumbling? Oh no, I raised an old thread! Anyways...

At the time that I posted this thread. I was only 12 at a Special Needs School who couldn't spell Standard Gauge. Hooray that I now can spell it!

As you might be able to see that doing this at the time was a horrible mistake. And did not get the kind of reply's that I was hoping for.

Now, after somewhat good feedback and research into this topic. I think I can now make a more sensible and more detailed proposal into this topic. But, these things can change overtime to better fit the situation. Look at the ECRL!


There is enough people who are driving to or from Adelaide and Sydney for at least a daily service to and from the 2 capital cities. People currently do not use the train as it's currently way more expensive than plane. Indian Pacific costs $639 pp. While Qantas usually has them priced just over $200 pp in Economy at this time. The price for Economy would be just over $150 on this service when the distance is compered.

There is the NRT train (New Regional Train) replacing the XPT, Xplorer, and Endeavor trains from 2023. And with plans to make the max speed in NSW to 200 km/h. Which the XPT and the NRT should be able to do. All we'd need to do is buy some more of the 6 car NRT's. And allow the other 10 into sleepers. It would allow also the overnight Melbourne and Brisbane services to continue.

The current service to Broken Hill will become apart of this new Adelaide Service. This would allow more services to the area. And allow new services to Mudgee, Young via Cowra, Forbes, and West Wyalong via Temora. And additional services to existing destinations, and extensions to them including Casino to Murwillumbah.

After this, the train would make a stop at. Peterborough, Jamestown, Gladstone, Snowtown, Mallala (pick up/drop off only), Sailsbury (pick up/drop off only), and Adelaide.

Now, you might be about to complain again that it's Adelaide Parklands. I know about that station. But it's not a good terminal station. It's just outside of the City Centre. With a not very pedestrian friendly walk to the City. There is also no buses, trains, or trams that stop at that station. You can only get a taxi if you don't have a car. And it's not very pedestrian friendly to the route 580 bus. Or to Adelaide Showground station. All we'd need to do is where the current track curves next to Adelaide Gaol. We'll add some dual gauge track between there and Adelaide Station. Like they have at Southern Cross station.

About Cockburn and Yunta. Have you heard of 'Halts'? That's where the train will only stop for you if you stick your arm out, or notify the staff before the station. The Rock, which gets 4 trains per day is quite a small town for that area. It survives because of the station being a halt. Areas like Cockburn and Yunta used to have larger populations because of the railways. And also because of being near the border. You can see that from the map of the town. With the railway gone. And not that much business. Those towns are rotting away slowly. These towns can be very important for the future of Australia. With Sydney and Melbourne not being able to cope. Regional Towns need to also help to make new jobs, and make them more attractive for people coming to Australia. The Railways play a critical part in this situation. I have removed them from the line. But them, and other tiny towns along the line may be important for the future.

Snowtown would play a critical part in new Intercity services to Wallaroo and Port Pirie. It's still incomplete, and would cause upsets like what happened above. All I can say is that there would be services to major towns in SA to Adelaide if they have a railway line abandoned or not.

The Overland would have fast trains like the NRT's. Having a Nightly and Daily service. This would target people who are currently using a car as well. Making that more feasible. And would have more of a NRT experience mixed with the current Overland experience.

While I'm talking about Victoria, there would also be a V/Line train to Mildura as well.

Now, I just gotta sit back. Hope I don't have anybody trying to eat my brains for raising the dead. And hope that I can reverse the past! I hope I did enough explaining... Took me over 2 hours to make this...
Where do you get the $639 fare on the Indian, it is now promoted as a premium service t. i just looked at the website and it gives a fare of $1849?  (link herew: https://journeybeyondrail.com.au/guest-information/fares-and-timetables/indian-pacific-2021-fares-timetable/)

Your desire for a daily service, where are the carriages - locos - train crews - catering staff to come from?

You talk about economy - there is no economy on the Indian, there are no sitting cars on this service?


Your desire to restore services to Mudgee, Young via Cowra, Forbes, and West Wyalong via Temora. And additional services to existing destinations, and extensions to them including Casino to Murwillumbah.

to reopen the line between Rylstone would require significant investment, there is at least 1 bridge that is badly damaged, with many other timber bridges also near life expired.
Any services to Cowra also requires much investment, if running via Demondorille, the points on the main south line have been removed. There are also significant washaways between there and Cowra. Casino to Murwillumbah has had at least 1 bridge removed which again is a multi million dollar job.

All of the branch lines you have mentioned would require resleepering to a greater or lesser extent, tunnel clearances etc. Risk assessments on reopening lines would presumably determine that many of the passive control level crossings would now require active control crossings, again this is not cheap.

Have you any idea about the costs of your latest fantasy?

Just the logistics of the plans you have are daunting. I speak with some gravitas om these matters, after 45+ years in the rail industry in this country I have seen the disintegration of the country passenger trains in this network, but stop and consider for a moment a costbenefit analysis, are you seriously thinking that reopening the line between Lithgow and Mudgee for passenger trains only is a good spend for my tax dollars, it cannot be compared to the provision of the "Bathurst Bullet" service which uses an existing heavily trafficked line that it shares with freight services, XPT services and the Indian?

As a long term Train Controller, your comments about 200 KPH services again indicates an ignorance of train planning and programming. Trying to plan services with different speed profiles is already difficult.

Sorry to rain on your parade but people have moved away from passenger trains especially in NSW and SA. Just before Christmas I caught the Broken Hill to Sydney Explorer,  the trip was pleasant, the service from the staff was efficient, the passenger loading was possibly 45 passengers, that is not cost effective.
theanimal
Probably should take the Explorer to BH, before it gets smeg canned as well.
  8502 Train Controller

Is the explorer at risk to Broken Hill from Sydney?
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
There are no plans to remove the Broken Hill train at this time. The only things that are happening is the Xplorer being replaced by the NRT. And possible changes to the line to allow the faster services (mentioned above).

But the Broken Hill train is in one of the poorest situation in NSW. With only one train per week (fewer than Houston miraculously). And apparently with few passengers, and not the best service around. You can see why people would be taking the Car, Coach or Plane. And maybe Walk.... Who knows? This is what we're trying to fix here as well.

Between the retirement of the Silver City Comet, and the introduction of the Xplorer. There was no train service to Broken Hill. More information can be found on this video. He also talks about other parts of the Regional Network. Which lots of it I was basically saying here without realising! (Good Job Griffin!) (link here:

https://youtu.be/tGFrInG3Eag )
  ANR Chief Commissioner

Great video. Explains why we will never have a VFT, or even a fast train.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Matthew, do you have a fantasy timetable for this, well not complete fantasy of course because then you could assume 300km/h running on a brand new high speed line and be there in five hours or so, but some vaguely realistic schedule? I, for one, if the airfares are $200, would still fly even if the train were free. The only way I'd pay anything would be for a once a year pleasure trip, in which case speed is not of the essence, or if the train left mid evening for a mid morning arrival. Comfortable sleepers with shower facilities and a decent dining car included of course. Then, compared to the flight offering, I might stump up the suggested $150.
  AheadMatthewawsome Junior Train Controller

Location: Opening Train Lines
Matthew, do you have a fantasy timetable for this, well not complete fantasy of course because then you could assume 300km/h running on a brand new high speed line and be there in five hours or so, but some vaguely realistic schedule? I, for one, if the airfares are $200, would still fly even if the train were free. The only way I'd pay anything would be for a once a year pleasure trip, in which case speed is not of the essence, or if the train left mid evening for a mid morning arrival. Comfortable sleepers with shower facilities and a decent dining car included of course. Then, compared to the flight offering, I might stump up the suggested $150.
billybaxter
The trip from Sydney to Adelaide is around 1500km. IF we were going constantly at 200 km/h (which it obviously isn't). It would take around 8 and 1/2 hours to get to Adelaide. This would be around 12 to 16 hours in actuality. The timetable would be very similar to the Brisbane and Melbourne XPT. There would be 2 NRTs needed for an Adelaide Service. 1 train would leave between 6 to 8 AM. To arrive around 6 to 8 PM. Then the same train would do the overnight run to Sydney. Leaving around 6:30 to 8:30 PM. And arriving in Sydney around 5:30 to 7:30 AM. Allowing a 1/2 hour to get ready for the service, board the train, and settle things down (no fights hopefully Very Happy). A second train would do a similar service, but reverse the times. The travel time can be reduced by reducing dwell time between stations, going to fewer stations like Blayney (further eastern stations), doing more maintenance on tracks and other infrastructure, and new track bypassing curves (already planned, link here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/a-fast-rail-future-for-nsw#:~:text=Dedicated%20high%2Dspeed%20rail%2C%20with,line%2C%20and%20new%20rolling%20stock).

This would all be decided if the railway service is introduced. This is just some ideas of what a timetable may look like.

People who don't fly take the long trip either by Car or Coach (or walking Laughing). These people are the main target of this service. It would be cheaper than the Car by fuel only! This provides a middle option for people. If you would still prefer to go on plane (some people will). Then you are probably not the person for this. And that's fine! But there would still be tons of people doing the trip from Sydney to Adelaide who would use this service. I seriously don't understand why people have objected it to this for over 2 years. It just makes logical sense to connect these 2 major cities in Australia by rail! Adelaide has 1.3 million people! It should have been done when Countrylink started services to Melbourne and Brisbane. If you have a problem with this. You can be happy that your comment aged very interesting @theanimal ... Because 2 years later, I'm now 14. With a businessman in David Jones making a very insensitive comment about making me lower my voice! I can say that I'm happy with my voice, even if it's gone a higher pitch than last time. HA!
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
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The trip from Sydney to Adelaide is around 1500km. IF we were going constantly at 200 km/h (which it obviously isn't). It would take around 8 and 1/2 hours to get to Adelaide. This would be around 12 to 16 hours in actuality. The timetable would be very similar to the Brisbane and Melbourne XPT. There would be 2 NRTs needed for an Adelaide Service. 1 train would leave between 6 to 8 AM. To arrive around 6 to 8 PM. Then the same train would do the overnight run to Sydney. Leaving around 6:30 to 8:30 PM. And arriving in Sydney around 5:30 to 7:30 AM. Allowing a 1/2 hour to get ready for the service, board the train, and settle things down (no fights hopefully Very Happy). A second train would do a similar service, but reverse the times. The travel time can be reduced by reducing dwell time between stations, going to fewer stations like Blayney (further eastern stations), doing more maintenance on tracks and other infrastructure, and new track bypassing curves (already planned, link here: https://www.nsw.gov.au/a-fast-rail-future-for-nsw#:~=Dedicated%20high%2Dspeed%20rail%2C%20with,line%2C%20and%20new%20rolling%20stock).

This would all be decided if the railway service is introduced. This is just some ideas of what a timetable may look like.

People who don't fly take the long trip either by Car or Coach (or walking Laughing). These people are the main target of this service. It would be cheaper than the Car by fuel only! This provides a middle option for people. If you would still prefer to go on plane (some people will). Then you are probably not the person for this. And that's fine! But there would still be tons of people doing the trip from Sydney to Adelaide who would use this service. I seriously don't understand why people have objected it to this for over 2 years. It just makes logical sense to connect these 2 major cities in Australia by rail! Adelaide has 1.3 million people! It should have been done when Countrylink started services to Melbourne and Brisbane. If you have a problem with this. You can be happy that your comment aged very interesting @theanimal ... Because 2 years later, I'm now 14. With a businessman in David Jones making a very insensitive comment about making me lower my voice! I can say that I'm happy with my voice, even if it's gone a higher pitch than last time. HA!
AheadMatthewawsome
You will have to ask the South Australian Government treasury department If they want to fund regional passenger rail services.

Regional rail passenger services are significantly subsidised, where fare revenue would cover less than 20 cents In the dollar (spent running the service)
Running trains at 200 km/h Is going to significantly Increase train running costs.

People fly between Sydney and Adelaide because Is quick, convenient and can be very cheap.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The current XPT service between Sydney and Melbourne is half subsidised by the Victorian State Government, and half subsidised by the New South Wales State Government. I believe a similar arrangement is in place with the XPT service between Sydney and Brisbane regarding the Queensland State Government.

To achieve a service between Sydney and Adelaide, you would need similar subsidies from the South Australian State Government and this is not something they do. They stopped contributing to the operational costs of The Overland to Melbourne some years ago and have shown zero interest in operating any passenger rail service to any of their regional areas.

The New South Wales State Government will not use their cash to fund a rail service into another state without that state also contributing.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
So here's an idea with a slight vaguish whiffity whiff of next to no chance, but still.....
The fancy new trains, with a bit of spit and polish, KC and his Sunshine Band at the helm, tight tabling and a bit of track improvement could do Sydney to Adelaide in 17 hours. One set can run four return trips in the week. Syd dep 6.00 Mon, Thurs, 18.00 Tues, Fri. Arrive Adelaide 17 hours later then dep 24.00 Mon. Thur, 12.00 Wed. Sun. Choice of departure times and possible weekend (short in Adelaide for the Broken Hill crowd.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The current XPT service between Sydney and Melbourne is half subsidised by the Victorian State Government, and half subsidised by the New South Wales State Government.
"Gman_86"
Are you sure that it's 50% each? I believe that the old Southern Aurora had an arrangement relating to distance travelled in each state or some such, meaning that NSW paid more than Vic. Once again, taxing my aged memory, I think I have heard that the same applies to the XPT.
Can somebody please add to this?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Between the retirement of the Silver City Comet, and the introduction of the Xplorer. There was no train service to Broken Hill.
AheadMatthewawsome
Yes, there was. It was the Indian Pacific, which, at the time, had sitting cars.

There is still merit in a federal transport department running interstate services and should be examined.
bevans

I don't know I would trust a federal department to run rail services. See: ARTC. It's absolutely no use to have a federal department running things because they need to - it would be far better for this to be a co-operative between states.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
The current XPT service between Sydney and Melbourne is half subsidised by the Victorian State Government, and half subsidised by the New South Wales State Government.
Are you sure that it's 50% each? I believe that the old Southern Aurora had an arrangement relating to distance travelled in each state or some such, meaning that NSW paid more than Vic. Once again, taxing my aged memory, I think I have heard that the same applies to the XPT.
Can somebody please add to this?
Valvegear
Not really no.

I know that the cost is shared, but I was throwing the 50% out as an approximation only.
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
There is a rather dim light bulb in my head saying it was a 1/3 Vic, 2/3 NSW split with the pre XPT services. I have looked, with mild vigor only, but have found nothing.

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