question to you Carnot what is it you think that Scroto poking the panda will lead to?
The China Problem
Topic moved from The Lounge by dthead on 17 Feb 2022 16:40
doyle
Chief Commissioner
Donald
Chief Commissioner
Location: Donald. Duck country.
We get our model trains Made in Australia?
Valvegear
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Richmond Vic
Unfortunately, we have to live with the fact that Morrison's major thought is that he must look tough at any cost. His mate Dutton is just as bad.
Actually, Cottees marketed a range of dessert toppings named after those two - "Rich and Thick."
Actually, Cottees marketed a range of dessert toppings named after those two - "Rich and Thick."
Donald
Chief Commissioner
Location: Donald. Duck country.
As opposed to the ALP who work on the Godfreys theory - "We suck."
Carnot
Minister for Railways
At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.
djf01
Chief Commissioner
... Morrison's major thought is that he must look tough at any cost. His mate Dutton is just as bad.
Actually, Cottees marketed a range of dessert toppings named after those two - "Rich and Thick."
As a diplomatic strategy Good Cop/Bad Cop is not entirely unprecedented. But when our Lord Voldemort is as believable as Mr Potato Head, it does rather undermine our credibility. I'm sure our adversaries are shipping themselves.
doyle
Chief Commissioner
At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.
Carnot
Scroto is falling over backwards to be re elected
He's not fit to pe prime minister
Carnot
Scroto is falling over backwards to be re elected
He's not fit to pe prime minister
michaelgm
Chief Commissioner
At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.If he is re-elected, and I hope he isn’t. That would make the first PM since Howard to serve a full term.
Carnot
Scroto is falling over backwards to be re elected
He's not fit to pe prime minister
michaelgm
Chief Commissioner
Unfortunately, we have to live with the fact that Morrison's major thought is that he must look tough at any cost. His mate Dutton is just as bad.Check out Morrison’s pecuniary interest register, doesn’t appear that rich on paper.
Actually, Cottees marketed a range of dessert toppings named after those two - "Rich and Thick."
Thick on the other hand, that a matter of opinion.
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
Unfortunately, we have to live with the fact that Morrison's major thought is that he must look tough at any cost. His mate Dutton is just as bad.ScoMo and Dutton et al are NOT being belligerent - all they're doing is telling China the truth and (of course) there's nothing that communists hate more than truth-telling so its off to the sin bin we go.
Actually, Cottees marketed a range of dessert toppings named after those two - "Rich and Thick."
Jacinda Ardern has indicated that she's willing to imagine that unicorns are real - anything that the communists want really - so she's getting a pat on the head. For now.
I'll ask you again: Can you name any time in human history where sucking up to a dictatorship has had good long-term results?
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
Oh yeah, that's right.At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.If he is re-elected, and I hope he isn’t. That would make the first PM since Howard to serve a full term.
Carnot
Scroto is falling over backwards to be re elected
He's not fit to pe prime minister
Newspoll shows Labor in exactly the same election-losing position that they were in 2019. Whatever they have up their collective sleeve they'd better pull it out because the public still doesn't like them.
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.Oops, I was agreeing with the part that Carnot wrote.
Carnot
Scroto is falling over backwards to be re elected
He's not fit to pe prime minister
You seriously think the Labor Party will be better than the LNP - how? In what ways?
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
At least we're not willing to be silenced by Chinese aggression. Glad that ScoMo isn't falling over backwards to appease the CCP thugs.All these appeasers here have no concept of how you deal with thugs - neither does the Labor Party after that statement from Penny Wong the other day that we should just shut the hell up to appease a murderous dictatorship. Pathetic, p*ss weak really, I would have expected better from her.
Don't give them an inch.
doyle
Chief Commissioner
I'll ask you again: Can you name any time in human history where sucking up to a dictatorship has had good long-term results?
No,
I've never said Australia should suck up to anyone
No,
I've never said Australia should suck up to anyone
doyle
Chief Commissioner
Who here wants to appease them? I reckon none of us, certainly not me.
doyle
Chief Commissioner
I've been suitably outraged for years now, that both sides of politics have allowed wineries farms and a multitude of business to enter foreign hands
But tell me that standing up to a bully like china will achieve what exactly?
But tell me that standing up to a bully like china will achieve what exactly?
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
I've been suitably outraged for years now, that both sides of politics have allowed wineries farms and a multitude of business to enter foreign handsIt isn't 'standing up to them' - all we are doing is insisting that the CCP should be subjected to the same laws and rules as everyone else is in Australia. And they don't like it - they want to be 'special' and beyond reproach - they especially do not want any adverse media coverage of their activities.
But tell me that standing up to a bully like china will achieve what exactly?
If we cave and give them what they want what do you think will happen to rule of law and democratic processes if we allow them to be a 'special case'?
doyle
Chief Commissioner
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/07/australias-anti-war-movement-is-depleted-who-will-stop-the-march-to-the-drums-of-war
I'm totally shocked that unicorns are mythical
I'm totally shocked that unicorns are mythical
BrentonGolding
Chief Commissioner
Location: Maldon Junction
Not to mention the lack of reciprocity - Foreign investment in China and Chinese businesses is very tightly controlled. Last I checked most businesses investing in China had to have a 50% Chinese investment partner (many of who then "borrow" IP from the foreign investors)I've been suitably outraged for years now, that both sides of politics have allowed wineries farms and a multitude of business to enter foreign handsIt isn't 'standing up to them' - all we are doing is insisting that the CCP should be subjected to the same laws and rules as everyone else is in Australia. And they don't like it - they want to be 'special' and beyond reproach - they especially do not want any adverse media coverage of their activities.
But tell me that standing up to a bully like china will achieve what exactly?
If we cave and give them what they want what do you think will happen to rule of law and democratic processes if we allow them to be a 'special case'?
And try buying property in China as a foreigner and see how you go!!! All sorts of hoops and regulations to navigate if indeed you are allowed to do it.
Yet they think that they should be subject to a completely different (and more favourable) set of rules in Australia
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/07/australias-anti-war-movement-is-depleted-who-will-stop-the-march-to-the-drums-of-warWho in the western world is actively calling for war with China?
I'm totally shocked that unicorns are mythical
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
Nice synopsis - Australia gets no special favors from China and yet they want to be made exempt from free media and the rule of law in Australia because they're China. The fact that some people in the Labor Party (and indeed the LNP) are considering giving them what they want is ludicrous. The core tenets of liberal democracy are both freedom of the press and equality before the law. The Chinese Communist Party effectively want the abolition of both for them to 'normalise' the trade relationship.Not to mention the lack of reciprocity - Foreign investment in China and Chinese businesses is very tightly controlled. Last I checked most businesses investing in China had to have a 50% Chinese investment partner (many of who then "borrow" IP from the foreign investors)I've been suitably outraged for years now, that both sides of politics have allowed wineries farms and a multitude of business to enter foreign handsIt isn't 'standing up to them' - all we are doing is insisting that the CCP should be subjected to the same laws and rules as everyone else is in Australia. And they don't like it - they want to be 'special' and beyond reproach - they especially do not want any adverse media coverage of their activities.
But tell me that standing up to a bully like china will achieve what exactly?
If we cave and give them what they want what do you think will happen to rule of law and democratic processes if we allow them to be a 'special case'?
And try buying property in China as a foreigner and see how you go!!! All sorts of hoops and regulations to navigate if indeed you are allowed to do it.
Yet they think that they should be subject to a completely different (and more favourable) set of rules in Australia
And I don't believe foreign ownership of real estate is allowed at all in China.
billybaxter
Chief Commissioner
Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
Their behaviour is no different to that of Captains of Industry who demand favourable treatment from banks, municipal authorities and whatnot, dangling the promise of economic gain in return for favourable treatment. I imagine they don't so much believe that they should get this favourable treatment as they can get it.
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
Their behaviour is no different to that of Captains of Industry who demand favourable treatment from banks, municipal authorities and whatnot, dangling the promise of economic gain in return for favourable treatment. I imagine they don't so much believe that they should get this favourable treatment as they can get it.So following that logic, because a few really wealthy people can get away with stuff why bother stopping a whole nation from doing it to us.
Right? I'm pretty sure that kind of thinking from Bob Carr, Gareth Evans etc is advocating - let's just give away our freedoms for the sake of a trade relationship with a dangerous, crazy autocracy already in the middle of destroying the remaining rule of law in Hong Kong.
Even the wealthy can find themselves imprisoned or under house arrest due to the unpredictable whims of the Party - Alibaba founder Jack Ma still hasn't been seen in public since his incredibly tepid criticism of the Chinese banking system late last year.
don_dunstan
Oliver Bullied, CME
Location: Adelaide proud
Straight from the Comitern - Nine/Fairfax:
China has taken the first formal step towards severing government ties with Australia after more than a year of incremental trade strikes, veiled threats from the Chinese embassy and escalating attacks by Chinese state media.
Beijing sent a message to Australia on Thursday that all dialogue at the political level will be cut off for years after the superpower’s top economic planner suspended the China-Australia Strategic Economic Dialogue.
The decision to indefinitely suspend what was once a key communication channel came two weeks after China’s Foreign Ministry said it would “respond firmly and forcefully” if the Morrison government did not reverse its decision to cancel Victoria’s Belt and Road agreement.
The rare public proclamation published on Beijing’s National Development and Reform Commission website and promoted widely by Chinese state media said Australia had launched measures to disrupt normal exchanges and co-operation “out of a Cold War mindset and ideological discrimination”. Chinese importers of Australian fruit, meat and honey have already dropped and decreased orders in anticipation of further deterioration in diplomatic relations. Thursday’s proclamation by the National Development and Reform Commission will result in many of those fears being realised as the Australian government urges industries to diversify away from Australia’s largest trading partner.
Cold War mind-set emanating from who? From the people unfairly blocking our exports from their markets for speaking out of turn... that's who. It might not be a 'hot war' but I'm pretty sure we're in for some sort of a 'cold war' from them as they've said themselves.
China has taken the first formal step towards severing government ties with Australia after more than a year of incremental trade strikes, veiled threats from the Chinese embassy and escalating attacks by Chinese state media.
Beijing sent a message to Australia on Thursday that all dialogue at the political level will be cut off for years after the superpower’s top economic planner suspended the China-Australia Strategic Economic Dialogue.
The decision to indefinitely suspend what was once a key communication channel came two weeks after China’s Foreign Ministry said it would “respond firmly and forcefully” if the Morrison government did not reverse its decision to cancel Victoria’s Belt and Road agreement.
The rare public proclamation published on Beijing’s National Development and Reform Commission website and promoted widely by Chinese state media said Australia had launched measures to disrupt normal exchanges and co-operation “out of a Cold War mindset and ideological discrimination”. Chinese importers of Australian fruit, meat and honey have already dropped and decreased orders in anticipation of further deterioration in diplomatic relations. Thursday’s proclamation by the National Development and Reform Commission will result in many of those fears being realised as the Australian government urges industries to diversify away from Australia’s largest trading partner.
Cold War mind-set emanating from who? From the people unfairly blocking our exports from their markets for speaking out of turn... that's who. It might not be a 'hot war' but I'm pretty sure we're in for some sort of a 'cold war' from them as they've said themselves.
billybaxter
Chief Commissioner
Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
So private individuals and companies can be given a free pass to bullybbut not countries. McDonald's has a turnover similar to PNGs GDP AFAIK so it's AOK for them but not for our northern neighbours to go swinging their weight around?