Federal Budget confirms 2 new stations in the CBD

 
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: mightbenolongerinuse
The 4th CBD Metro Station has been confirmed as Hunter Street. Hunter Street will be on the other side of Wynyard, with a direct connection to the Suburban Trains and the Light Rail. I don't know why they didn't name it Wynyard. It just makes it more confusing!

Pyrmont Station now has a location. It'll be between Pyrmont Bridge Road and Union Street. This will be a quick walk to the L1 Dulwich Hill Line, Ferries from Pyrmont Bay, and Darling Harbour.

More information is available here:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZSU3_pv-4k

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-12/nsw-new-metro-stations-for-sydney-cbd-revealed/100133164

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  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

I don't know why they didn't name it Wynyard.
AheadMatthewawsome
simple - they don't wish to dig up Wynyard station again ..  just two more holes in the city
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Where in the federal budget was this confirmed?
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

Gladys just mentioned the federal budget. She never said anything about it being funded by the feds at all.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Where in the federal budget was this confirmed?
8502
It wasn't.

A final price tag for the project is yet to be revealed but there’s already $10.4 billion in the budget.
“We haven’t changed our costings for that, we don’t like to give the final cost until we’ve let the contracts,” Premier Gladys Berejiklian said.
The ABC Article
That's the State budget, not the Federal budget.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I don't know why they didn't name it Wynyard.
simple - they don't wish to dig up Wynyard station again ..  just two more holes in the city
viaprojects
Why would they need to dig up Wynyard station and it's a little way from Wynyard so it would just be confusing. I suppose they could build a pedestrian walkway between each station at a latter date?
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

Where in the federal budget was this confirmed?
It wasn't.

A final price tag for the project is yet to be revealed but there’s already $10.4 billion in the budget.
“We haven’t changed our costings for that, we don’t like to give the final cost until we’ve let the contracts,” Premier Gladys Berejiklian said.
That's the State budget, not the Federal budget.
s3_gunzel
So how long will these 2 new stations hold up the overall project? The state government was planning to open the project to Sydenham earlier than planned.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Any indication of how connections to Martin Place will work?  Above ground or dedicated behind the barrier tunnel?
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Thanks for clarifying the funding model.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
So how long will these 2 new stations hold up the overall project? The state government was planning to open the project to Sydenham earlier than planned.
nswtrains
The 2 new stations are part of the Metro West project and are completely separate to the CBD metro to Bankstown via Sydenham.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
Any indication of how connections to Martin Place will work?  Above ground or dedicated behind the barrier tunnel?
james.au
There will be underground pedestrian walkways from Barangaroo to Martin Place via the existing Wynyard Walk and new connections between Wynyard, Hunter St and Martin Place.
  Totoro Junior Train Controller

This is really fantastic news, particularly the location of the CBD station. Hunter/George St will provide a nice quick interchange between the Metro West and existing heavy rail, light rail and the other metro line. ????

It will be pretty spectacular in 10 years or so.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
This is really fantastic news, particularly the location of the CBD station. Hunter/George St will provide a nice quick interchange between the Metro West and existing heavy rail, light rail and the other metro line. ????

It will be pretty spectacular in 10 years or so.
Totoro
Yes, but it will still involve a bit of a walk between stations, albeit all underground.
  Totoro Junior Train Controller

This is really fantastic news, particularly the location of the CBD station. Hunter/George St will provide a nice quick interchange between the Metro West and existing heavy rail, light rail and the other metro line. ????

It will be pretty spectacular in 10 years or so.
Yes, but it will still involve a bit of a walk between stations, albeit all underground.
Transtopic

If they model it on the Barangaroo Walk, then it should be a pretty quick and effortless transfer. The distance from Hunter St to Wynyard is quite a bit shorter than Wynyard / Barangaroo too. At any rate, I can think of worse things than encouraging commuters out of their seats. Active transport and all that. The single seat trip is so last century. Smile
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

All this talk of metro systems but none of these I can see with research address the public transport deficit on the Northern Beaches?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
All this talk of metro systems but none of these I can see with research address the public transport deficit on the Northern Beaches?
8502
It's ironic isn't it? Premier lives in an electorate on the Northern Beaches, which she also represents, and doesn't have a Metro right to her door.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand
All this talk of metro systems but none of these I can see with research address the public transport deficit on the Northern Beaches?
It's ironic isn't it? Premier lives in an electorate on the Northern Beaches, which she also represents, and doesn't have a Metro right to her door.
s3_gunzel
Not correct. The Premier's electorate is Willoughby which includes Chatswood station so the NW metro, certainly not the Northern Beaches.  Although I live in NZ, I know this because my sister lives in her electorate (and idolizes her Smile ) and her unit looks down on the terminating metro trains.
They were being tested so I watched them every 10 minutes or so when I was last in Sydney in April 2019. I am yet to travel on one due to Covid.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
All this talk of metro systems but none of these I can see with research address the public transport deficit on the Northern Beaches?
It's ironic isn't it? Premier lives in an electorate on the Northern Beaches, which she also represents, and doesn't have a Metro right to her door.
s3_gunzel
The Northern Beaches should have a Metro as should the ESR be extended to Bondi Beach or even North Bondi, however in both cases the locals have been resistant for this for years.

Right now the Nth Beaches Metro is a lower priority with other bigger fish to fry.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Not correct. The Premier's electorate is Willoughby which includes Chatswood station so the NW metro
Brianr
Thanks for playing. I was being facetious. I do, however, note that I was getting confused with Warringah the federal electorate and Willoughby the state electorate. Do forgive me.

There does need to be a metro up Warringah Road though, you can't deny me that.

The Northern Beaches should have a Metro as should the ESR be extended to Bondi Beach or even North Bondi, however in both cases the locals have been resistant for this for years.
RTT_Rules
Agree with the first point, disagree with the second. I have so much fun watching hoardes of people being stupid trying to catch the 333 from Bondi Jn when it would be easier and better to get it from the Quay.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Not correct. The Premier's electorate is Willoughby which includes Chatswood station so the NW metro
Thanks for playing. I was being facetious. I do, however, note that I was getting confused with Warringah the federal electorate and Willoughby the state electorate. Do forgive me.

There does need to be a metro up Warringah Road though, you can't deny me that.

The Northern Beaches should have a Metro as should the ESR be extended to Bondi Beach or even North Bondi, however in both cases the locals have been resistant for this for years.
Agree with the first point, disagree with the second. I have so much fun watching hoardes of people being stupid trying to catch the 333 from Bondi Jn when it would be easier and better to get it from the Quay.
s3_gunzel
No Metro needed on Warringah Road yet, maybe in the long distant future.

Nth Beaches Metro should follow the A8 from Mosman to Narrabeen, maybe Nth Narrabeen or Mona Vale. Skirting Manly from about 2km from its centre.


The ESR been extended to Bondi like it always should,  however local opposition has stopped a few attempts at this over the years. Yes, once built they will probably argue why did it take so long.

The Nth Beaches have in the past also opposed a railway preferring for more "local jobs" BS strategy which never happens.

In both cases the locals also oppose railways with comments to keep out the riff-raff, which isn't driven by railway geofencing, but hey, makes a good story. Considering Sydney's so called beach culture and tourism icon, its almost shocking to think Bondi isn't accessible by rail direct. 3km of track, two stops with a turn back.

Or
potentially a large single track balloon loop from Bondi Junct with three stations. Each station would be a single platform with one being two platforms to allow a short stop of one set to enable time table reliability and train crew rest break.
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
No Metro needed on Warringah Road yet, maybe in the long distant future.

Nth Beaches Metro should follow the A8 from Mosman to Narrabeen, maybe Nth Narrabeen or Mona Vale. Skirting Manly from about 2km from its centre.


The ESR been extended to Bondi like it always should,  however local opposition has stopped a few attempts at this over the years. Yes, once built they will probably argue why did it take so long.

The Nth Beaches have in the past also opposed a railway preferring for more "local jobs" BS strategy which never happens.

In both cases the locals also oppose railways with comments to keep out the riff-raff, which isn't driven by railway geofencing, but hey, makes a good story. Considering Sydney's so called beach culture and tourism icon, its almost shocking to think Bondi isn't accessible by rail direct. 3km of track, two stops with a turn back.

Or
potentially a large single track balloon loop from Bondi Junct with three stations. Each station would be a single platform with one being two platforms to allow a short stop of one set to enable time table reliability and train crew rest break.
RTT_Rules
Agree.  With regard to the ESR, we've previously discussed options of extending it to Maroubra Junction via Randwick or to North Bondi or both.  Now that the metro extension from Metro West has been more or less confirmed to La Perouse via Zetland and Randwick, an ESR extension to Maroubra Junction would no longer be necessary.

That still leaves the option open for the North Bondi extension, whether the locals want it or not.  I'd suggest that stations could be constructed at Bondi Road, Bondi Beach (south end), North Bondi and even extend it through to Rose Bay.  Think about the traffic, including buses, which would be taken off Bondi Road, particularly on summer weekends.

Similarly, on the Northern Beaches, a rail link would remove the conga line of buses on the Harbour Bridge during peak hours.  Agree it should follow the A8 road corridor via Spit Junction, which is a fairly high density area.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

That still leaves the option open for the North Bondi extension, whether the locals want it or not.  I'd suggest that stations could be constructed at Bondi Road, Bondi Beach (south end), North Bondi and even extend it through to Rose Bay.  Think about the traffic, including buses, which would be taken off Bondi Road, particularly on summer weekends.

Similarly, on the Northern Beaches, a rail link would remove the conga line of buses on the Harbour Bridge during peak hours.  Agree it should follow the A8 road corridor via Spit Junction, which is a fairly high density area.
Transtopic
What do you think of the idea of this ESR North Bondi extension making it's way a little further north to say Manly?
  Transtopic Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
That still leaves the option open for the North Bondi extension, whether the locals want it or not.  I'd suggest that stations could be constructed at Bondi Road, Bondi Beach (south end), North Bondi and even extend it through to Rose Bay.  Think about the traffic, including buses, which would be taken off Bondi Road, particularly on summer weekends.

Similarly, on the Northern Beaches, a rail link would remove the conga line of buses on the Harbour Bridge during peak hours.  Agree it should follow the A8 road corridor via Spit Junction, which is a fairly high density area.
What do you think of the idea of this ESR North Bondi extension making it's way a little further north to say Manly?
simstrain
Sorry sims, I can't see that happening.  It would involve a very long and deep under harbour tunnel, without any catchment in between.  Best to leave it servicing the Eastern Suburbs.

As mentioned previously, I think the best route would be along the Mosman peninsular from North Sydney to the Northern Beaches (A8 road corridor).  If the government abandoned its current prejudice against branching of the metro lines, it could branch from the current Metro Northwest extension at Victoria Cross, assuming it's feasible to do so.  I honestly can't ever see the existing single line to the North West alone warranting 30tph.  What other single line on the existing network, excluding merging, operates at anywhere that frequency?  It would be a wasted opportunity in not utilising any potential spare capacity on the existing or planned metro lines with branching.  Otherwise, it would require another cross harbour rail tunnel where there are limited options, if any.
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I was only interested in your thought on it and wasn't seriously suggesting it. Personally I think once the new northern beaches tunnel is built the eastern lanes of the bridge should be converted to metro and run out through mosman.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE

Or
potentially a large single track balloon loop from Bondi Junct with three stations. Each station would be a single platform with one being two platforms to allow a short stop of one set to enable time table reliability and train crew rest break.Agree.  With regard to the ESR, we've previously discussed options of extending it to Maroubra Junction via Randwick or to North Bondi or both.  Now that the metro extension from Metro West has been more or less confirmed to La Perouse via Zetland and Randwick, an ESR extension to Maroubra Junction would no longer be necessary.

That still leaves the option open for the North Bondi extension, whether the locals want it or not.  I'd suggest that stations could be constructed at Bondi Road, Bondi Beach (south end), North Bondi and even extend it through to Rose Bay.  Think about the traffic, including buses, which would be taken off Bondi Road, particularly on summer weekends.

Similarly, on the Northern Beaches, a rail link would remove the conga line of buses on the Harbour Bridge during peak hours.  Agree it should follow the A8 road corridor via Spit Junction, which is a fairly high density area.
Transtopic
Agree, the future metro and LR has deemed the southern fork of the ESR not required.

Back to the beach extension, this is where I think a balloon loop is more viable. I said initially in jest but think there is more to it.

Bondi Jnct station, heading east
- Bondi Road station, agree on this
- South Bondi Beach, agree on this
- North Bondi, probably near Old South Head Road to make bus transfer simple
- Near Rose Bay ferry terminal
- Bellevue Hill (west side of Rose Bay Golf Curse), this is maybe as its 1km to either Rose Bay and Bondi Jct and not needed

This would be all single track, single platform station loop so actual tunnel length is roughly the same as double track but avoids the complexity and need for a turn back. Single TBM project, all spoil removed and materials brought in by rail at night. Apart from one location to assemble and launch the TBM.

However one station would be dual plats island to enable a brief timetable catch up and allow for train staff swap/rest break. The existing turnback at Bondi Jct would be kept and extended to two full car sets.

The TBM would start from either of the storage roads at BJ (project would take over the storage road) and operate from there until the project is complete. The tie in to the other storage road would see half of the stabling siding disabled for a few months.  

Why the ferry terminal? It provides PT connect ability with local stations and buses. It also would serve part of the Bellevue Hill area.  Overall I think such a loop would greatly reduce the number of buses on local roads.

The issue in the area will be finding suitable locations for stations, despite them being mostly simply lifts and stairs. If RP allowed to upload photos I'd show a under ground Metro station in Dubai, its just four lifts coming to the surface in four locations, basically four corners of the station. Minimises foot print on the surface.

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