The corona virus COVID-19

 
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
So are other country's that are not hiding under the bed.
Sigh - he'll never learn.
Valvegear
Grocer's apostrophe?

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  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Actions by the govt following CV-19 did and excessive and ongoing and short notice state borders did.
RTT_Rules
No legal basis for saying either the Commonwealth or the states are liable for compensation due to the lockdowns. None.

If you have evidence to the contrary - that the respective governments are legally bound to compensate for loss of profit - then by all means present it. But you don't - so it's high time you stopped repeating that untruth.
As proven by previous govt support of strategic industries on their knees for the benefit of the greater economy.
RTT_Rules
Where is the Act that defines the airlines as an essential industry?
Yes Don, now that you have googled it, The Qantas Sale Act is what I was referring too, glad you have caught up. Now did you read it and conditions? Get back to us when you have.
RTT_Rules
I'm not your research assistant. I'll ask you again - what part of the Qantas Sale Act defines the Commonwealth as legally responsible to ensure Qantas is profitable and viable?
Taxpayer support of Qantas will cease when state govts stop closing state borders as zero notice over every little thing.
RTT_Rules
It already has ceased - because you don't actually live here and you're not up with current events you're wrong on that (amongst other things). Why do you think Alan Joyce was putting his hand out for more money? Because the welfare has run out.
Not getting personal Don, but you are going round circles. Its clear you are clueless on this you have conveniently ignored responding to my comments that you know are correct and hence you are only picking on the dregs to try to see if you can save yourself, but failing.
RTT_Rules
You have conclusively failed to produce the case for the airlines being funded by the government. You don't even really know what's going on in this country as evidenced by your getting key facts wrong time and time again.

What are your 'correct' comments? I've asked you repeatedly for evidence that the government is legally responsible for keeping the airlines flying and you can't come up with anything. And then you cite the Qantas Sale Act - but there's nothing in there about the Commonwealth being liable for Qantas post-sale either.

Unless you have any new evidence to present I think we're done here.
Should Qantas fail Don, the bulk of Australia would be without an air carrier
RTT_Rules
Won't ever happen. That's the miracle of living in a free market capitalist society.

Someone else will step in and start flying planes - it happened recently with REX leasing ex-Virgin planes and flying between the capital cities.

What you're advocating for is a socialist Soviet-style control and regulation of an industry that has not been regulated for nearly 30 years. That's a really big backwards step and frankly I'm glad that nobody in authority is listening to people like you.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Social media is really a curse as it gives a voice to people whose opinions should be kept to the back fence.
nswtrains
So you're all for censorship of any negative stories then? Good to hear - I'm sure there's a job waiting for you at the Comnitern.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So are other country's that are not hiding under the bed.
Sigh - he'll never learn.
Valvegear
Well what he wants just isn't going to happen - not for at least another twelve months.

He says its cowardly and 'hiding under the bed' but the majority of people here have already made the decision that they don't want international travel at the risk of bringing the virus here.

He can complain all he likes, that policy will not change.

Anyway having the borders already closed should help to protect us from the next Communist Party bio-weapon when they launch that...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
As it happens Qantas is in the news this morning, announcing more redundancies for international crews as well as foreshadowing an expected $2 billion loss - from News.com.au;

Qantas has revealed further job cuts for international cabin crew and wage freezes while the coronavirus pandemic inhibits overseas travel.

In a trading update on Thursday, the major airline unveiled a new voluntary redundancy program for international crew as part of additional cost cutting measures.

Roughly 6000 workers remain stood down across the group, and the new redundancies are extra job losses on top of the already 8500 roles that have been cut from the company.

Commissions to travel agents on international ticket bookings will also be lowered from 5 per cent to 1 per cent starting from July 2022.

The new measures coincides with the company saying its massive debt bill is starting to decline but anticipates it will still book a loss while its international travel operations remain on standby until at least the end of the year.

The major airline revealed consumer confidence had returned to domestic travel, but significant costs relating to redundancies, aircraft writedowns and depreciation charges would likely cause a statutory loss for financial year 2021 in excess of $2bn.

Alan Joyce (and RTT_Rules) are going to be sorely disappointed if they think the Commonwealth should bail them out for the borders not being opened in October - this thing has already bled Aussie taxpayers in excess of $350,000,000,000.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Wage freeze for two years for Qantas workers
  doyle Chief Commissioner

How Much track and train would $350,000,000,000 get for VFT?

So Jim and Albo are right we have absolutely nothing to show for this massive massive spend
Think botched NBN

Federal Labor would of gladly taken control of quarantine shovelling big bucks to the states as a national Plan, visionary not liberal rear vision
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Wage freeze for two years for Qantas workers
doyle
Okay thanks I missed that bit.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
How Much track and train would $350,000,000,000 get for VFT?

So Jim and Albo are right we have absolutely nothing to show for this massive massive spend
Think botched NBN

Federal Labor would of gladly taken control of quarantine shovelling big bucks to the states as a national Plan, visionary not liberal rear vision
doyle
$350B would buy a HSR from Adelaide to Brisbane with branch lines to Canberra and NSW Central West.

After spending all that money, the train would be nice, yes, but need many $100's M per year in ongoing subsidy.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
As it happens Qantas is in the news this morning, announcing more redundancies for international crews as well as foreshadowing an expected $2 billion loss - from News.com.au;

Qantas has revealed further job cuts for international cabin crew and wage freezes while the coronavirus pandemic inhibits overseas travel.

In a trading update on Thursday, the major airline unveiled a new voluntary redundancy program for international crew as part of additional cost cutting measures.

Roughly 6000 workers remain stood down across the group, and the new redundancies are extra job losses on top of the already 8500 roles that have been cut from the company.

Commissions to travel agents on international ticket bookings will also be lowered from 5 per cent to 1 per cent starting from July 2022.

The new measures coincides with the company saying its massive debt bill is starting to decline but anticipates it will still book a loss while its international travel operations remain on standby until at least the end of the year.

The major airline revealed consumer confidence had returned to domestic travel, but significant costs relating to redundancies, aircraft writedowns and depreciation charges would likely cause a statutory loss for financial year 2021 in excess of $2bn.

Alan Joyce (and RTT_Rules) are going to be sorely disappointed if they think the Commonwealth should bail them out for the borders not being opened in October - this thing has already bled Aussie taxpayers in excess of $350,000,000,000.
don_dunstan
Yep, close the border for another year, business destroyed. It will take Qantas up to 10 years to repair this damage in their international business as while others such as the Middle Eastern Airlines and Singapore airlines are offering skeleton operations for which to rebuild as individual corridors open up and expand.  

Qantas has accumulated around $2B debt after being relatively debt free at the start of 2020. So any past references by yourself to Qantas being paid to be profitable is complete BS.

The govt will keep deemed "essential corridors" of Qantas's operations open until they return to being commercially viable. Just like they have until now. this will include flights to Perth, Darwin, Tasmania and more than likely Adelaide from Sydney/Melbourne.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
So are other country's that are not hiding under the bed.
Sigh - he'll never learn.
Well what he wants just isn't going to happen - not for at least another twelve months.

He says its cowardly and 'hiding under the bed' but the majority of people here have already made the decision that they don't want international travel at the risk of bringing the virus here.

He can complain all he likes, that policy will not change.

Anyway having the borders already closed should help to protect us from the next Communist Party bio-weapon when they launch that...
don_dunstan
country's vs countries, yeah well, gives the gramma police something to talk about.

Brain washing is alive and well

Not complaining, personally I don't give a $hit.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
country's vs countries, yeah well, gives the gramma police something to talk about.

Brain washing is alive and well

Not complaining, personally I don't give a $hit.
"RTT_Rules"
That says a great deal - either incapable of learning, or careless about accuracy. Neither option does anything for your credibility.
(P.S. the word is grammar.)
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Actions by the govt following CV-19 did and excessive and ongoing and short notice state borders did.
No legal basis for saying either the Commonwealth or the states are liable for compensation due to the lockdowns. None.

If you have evidence to the contrary - that the respective governments are legally bound to compensate for loss of profit - then by all means present it. But you don't - so it's high time you stopped repeating that untruth.
As proven by previous govt support of strategic industries on their knees for the benefit of the greater economy.
Where is the Act that defines the airlines as an essential industry?
Yes Don, now that you have googled it, The Qantas Sale Act is what I was referring too, glad you have caught up. Now did you read it and conditions? Get back to us when you have.
I'm not your research assistant. I'll ask you again - what part of the Qantas Sale Act defines the Commonwealth as legally responsible to ensure Qantas is profitable and viable?
Taxpayer support of Qantas will cease when state govts stop closing state borders as zero notice over every little thing.
It already has ceased - because you don't actually live here and you're not up with current events you're wrong on that (amongst other things). Why do you think Alan Joyce was putting his hand out for more money? Because the welfare has run out.
Not getting personal Don, but you are going round circles. Its clear you are clueless on this you have conveniently ignored responding to my comments that you know are correct and hence you are only picking on the dregs to try to see if you can save yourself, but failing.
You have conclusively failed to produce the case for the airlines being funded by the government. You don't even really know what's going on in this country as evidenced by your getting key facts wrong time and time again.

What are your 'correct' comments? I've asked you repeatedly for evidence that the government is legally responsible for keeping the airlines flying and you can't come up with anything. And then you cite the Qantas Sale Act - but there's nothing in there about the Commonwealth being liable for Qantas post-sale either.

Unless you have any new evidence to present I think we're done here.
Should Qantas fail Don, the bulk of Australia would be without an air carrier
Won't ever happen. That's the miracle of living in a free market capitalist society.

Someone else will step in and start flying planes - it happened recently with REX leasing ex-Virgin planes and flying between the capital cities.

What you're advocating for is a socialist Soviet-style control and regulation of an industry that has not been regulated for nearly 30 years. That's a really big backwards step and frankly I'm glad that nobody in authority is listening to people like you.
don_dunstan
oh god Don, do you know the difference between legal and keeping essential corridors open???

The same govts are paying international airlines to do the same.

The Fed govt has control on Qantas's ability to get external funding and investment and has more than once in the past stopped Qantas from doing so. Please, you found the Act, now read the bloody thing.

Joyce has told the govt, fund our operations while you limit passenger numbers or flights cease to prevent Joyce from risking breaking the law and at the same time dumping the entire Qantas workforce to the streets. All of which will create yet another headache for the govt. But what was your alt, "go out for contract" do to the same damn thing with taxpayers money knowing that Qantas was viable airline, yet Virgin was going through bankruptcy for its own internal reasons. Com'on Don, time to THINK, not time yet more cra_p.

Don, "you don't actually live here....bla bla bla bla bla bla..." boring cra-p. You don't live out of Australia but you seem quite happy to cra-p on about DT and China etc.

Who's going to step in Don? Yes Rex bought/leased a few planes of Virgin, yah. Even Rex cannot take on Qantas's current operations. You know it, so don't be so silly in making such references. You should also know the restrictions the govt places on Domestic air Operations and due to the ongoing pandemic and basically the rest of the world's airline industry running at a loss, external investment would be extremely hard to find. Meanwhile the govt would have massive back lash for the collapse of the airline industry etc etc. At least Virgin was easy to write off as foreign owned and the 2nd player behind Qantas.

No Don, I'm not advocating regulation or soviet style what ever cra-p you are thinking and you know that so once again why are you making such BS statements. Because you seem to feel that crashing the bulk of what's left of the airline industry at this time is the smart thing to do, the impact of which will destroy the fragile tourism sector that is trying to recover, as well as domestic business travel. Yah, once again Don has shown his true colours by wishing people will be jobless.

Its not rocket science Don its commonsense and as you know it as you so yes I'm glad that nobody in authority is listening to people like you.

Now can we just get over this Anti-Qantas Anti-Alan Joyce Phobia of yours and move on.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
So are other country's that are not hiding under the bed.
Sigh - he'll never learn.
Well what he wants just isn't going to happen - not for at least another twelve months.

He says its cowardly and 'hiding under the bed' but the majority of people here have already made the decision that they don't want international travel at the risk of bringing the virus here.

He can complain all he likes, that policy will not change.

Anyway having the borders already closed should help to protect us from the next Communist Party bio-weapon when they launch that...
don_dunstan
False flag, can you prove that China used COVID-19 as a Bio-Weapon ?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So are other country's that are not hiding under the bed.
Sigh - he'll never learn.
Well what he wants just isn't going to happen - not for at least another twelve months.

He says its cowardly and 'hiding under the bed' but the majority of people here have already made the decision that they don't want international travel at the risk of bringing the virus here.

He can complain all he likes, that policy will not change.

Anyway having the borders already closed should help to protect us from the next Communist Party bio-weapon when they launch that...
country's vs countries, yeah well, gives the gramma police something to talk about.

Brain washing is alive and well

Not complaining, personally I don't give a $hit.
RTT_Rules
LOL that's the exact opposite of what you've been conveying over the last two pages.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

False flag, can you prove that China used COVID-19 as a Bio-Weapon ?
lsrailfan

Heaven help us if someone actually did deploy a bio-weapon against us.  "That's a state responsibility".  

There are people in Australia now who'd be arguing we should have surrendered to the Japanese in 1942 because - well - a few people might die, but they're going to get in anyway and we can't keep our borders closed forever.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
oh god Don, do you know the difference between legal and keeping essential corridors open???

The same govts are paying international airlines to do the same.

The Fed govt has control on Qantas's ability to get external funding and investment and has more than once in the past stopped Qantas from doing so. Please, you found the Act, now read the bloody thing.

Joyce has told the govt, fund our operations while you limit passenger numbers or flights cease to prevent Joyce from risking breaking the law and at the same time dumping the entire Qantas workforce to the streets. All of which will create yet another headache for the govt. But what was your alt, "go out for contract" do to the same damn thing with taxpayers money knowing that Qantas was viable airline, yet Virgin was going through bankruptcy for its own internal reasons. Com'on Don, time to THINK, not time yet more cra_p.

Don, "you don't actually live here....bla bla bla bla bla bla..." boring cra-p. You don't live out of Australia but you seem quite happy to cra-p on about DT and China etc.

Who's going to step in Don? Yes Rex bought/leased a few planes of Virgin, yah. Even Rex cannot take on Qantas's current operations. You know it, so don't be so silly in making such references. You should also know the restrictions the govt places on Domestic air Operations and due to the ongoing pandemic and basically the rest of the world's airline industry running at a loss, external investment would be extremely hard to find. Meanwhile the govt would have massive back lash for the collapse of the airline industry etc etc. At least Virgin was easy to write off as foreign owned and the 2nd player behind Qantas.

No Don, I'm not advocating regulation or soviet style what ever cra-p you are thinking and you know that so once again why are you making such BS statements. Because you seem to feel that crashing the bulk of what's left of the airline industry at this time is the smart thing to do, the impact of which will destroy the fragile tourism sector that is trying to recover, as well as domestic business travel. Yah, once again Don has shown his true colours by wishing people will be jobless.

Its not rocket science Don its commonsense and as you know it as you so yes I'm glad that nobody in authority is listening to people like you.

Now can we just get over this Anti-Qantas Anti-Alan Joyce Phobia of yours and move on.
RTT_Rules
LOL again, I can hear the shrill hysteria all the way from Adelaide! Almost like the Krakatoa explosion -

Sorry RTT_Rules this is just how you think it should be, not how it actually is. Aussie governments are already on the hook for too much stuff and you want to ADD to that burden? As an Aussie taxpayer I say show cause - and your reasons simply aren't strong enough.

Air travel is NOT an essential service with the possible exception of places like Kangaroo Island and King Island - ultimately the world didn't collapse in 1989 when the pilots withheld their labour and before Hawke flew scabs in to take their place. There were a lot of people on the roads, coaches and the interstate trains as they were then were packed - but the nation managed to soldier on.

What you are talking about in the Qantas Act is not related to ensuring the financial stability of the entity - sure, the Commonwealth can borrow on Qantas' behalf because aircraft are extremely expensive purchases, but that doesn't extend to the actual provision of services - again there's not some kind of taxpayer guarantee outside of those obvious capital guarantees. Because that's kinda the opposite to what you hope to achieve with privatisation isn't it - keeping the profits completely away from the taxpayer while leaving them liable for the delivery of the services?

I don't understand why its so important to you personally that the respective government(s) keep throwing money at these things - there was already ninety billion splurged on JobKeeper and a whole chunk of that went to bottom lines of companies like Premier, Toll, et al - companies that in no way needed that taxpayer largess. The extra dole, the pension lump sums etc etc - generally sloshed its way onto the bottom lines of companies like Woolies, Coles, private landlords, etc.

And Qantas itself got $1.7 billion direct grant money to keep said planes running in the manner in which you wanted (ie almost empty) while we got over the worst of this thing... not including the hundreds of millions on lots of other nice bits of pork like 800,000 'half price' airline tickets and case-by-case grants to operators like Rex to keep going. And yet despite all this Qantas still loses two billion and needs to keep sacking people, it still isn't at a point where its viable as a private company again.

Seriously, you want to throw even more hard earned Aussie government money at these enterprises? Why?

As an Australian taxpayer I say 'no'.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
False flag, can you prove that China used COVID-19 as a Bio-Weapon ?

Heaven help us if someone actually did deploy a bio-weapon against us.  "That's a state responsibility".  

There are people in Australia now who'd be arguing we should have surrendered to the Japanese in 1942 because - well - a few people might die, but they're going to get in anyway and we can't keep our borders closed forever.
djf01
Who knows where it actually came from, I don't think we'll ever know the actual truth.

There seems to be some kind of scientific consensus that it may have escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology on a research project regarding COVID in bats - but that it wasn't deliberate and it was not intended as a bio-weapon. It might have originally had a zoonotic origin and was cultivated at the lab for research but its escape into the Chinese community wasn't deliberate.

A synopsis of the current evidence at this Bulletin Magazine article.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

Who kno...
don_dunstan
TL;DR
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Air travel is NOT an essential service with the possible exception of places like Kangaroo Island and King Island - ultimately the world didn't collapse in 1989 when the pilots withheld their labour and before Hawke flew scabs in to take their place.
"don_dunstan"
Minor point of order.
The pilots Hawke found were strictly speaking not scabs. A scab is one who takes another's job. In what has to be one of the most boneheaded pieces of industrial action in Australian history, the Pilots' Association boss (McCarthy if I remember correctly) convinced the majority of pilots to resign, which they did. The result was obvious and immediate. They lost any bargaining power which they may have had, and the replacement pilots were not taking anyone's jobs because the jobs were now vacant.
If the replacement pilots had been considered as scabs, I couldn't see the powerful Transport Workers' Union working alongside them.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
LOL again, I can hear the shrill hysteria all the way from Adelaide! Almost like the Krakatoa explosion -

Sorry RTT_Rules this is just how you think it should be, not how it actually is. Aussie governments are already on the hook for too much stuff and you want to ADD to that burden? As an Aussie taxpayer I say show cause - and your reasons simply aren't strong enough.

Air travel is NOT an essential service with the possible exception of places like Kangaroo Island and King Island - ultimately the world didn't collapse in 1989 when the pilots withheld their labour and before Hawke flew scabs in to take their place. There were a lot of people on the roads, coaches and the interstate trains as they were then were packed - but the nation managed to soldier on.

What you are talking about in the Qantas Act is not related to ensuring the financial stability of the entity - sure, the Commonwealth can borrow on Qantas' behalf because aircraft are extremely expensive purchases, but that doesn't extend to the actual provision of services - again there's not some kind of taxpayer guarantee outside of those obvious capital guarantees. Because that's kinda the opposite to what you hope to achieve with privatisation isn't it - keeping the profits completely away from the taxpayer while leaving them liable for the delivery of the services?

I don't understand why its so important to you personally that the respective government(s) keep throwing money at these things - there was already ninety billion splurged on JobKeeper and a whole chunk of that went to bottom lines of companies like Premier, Toll, et al - companies that in no way needed that taxpayer largess. The extra dole, the pension lump sums etc etc - generally sloshed its way onto the bottom lines of companies like Woolies, Coles, private landlords, etc.

And Qantas itself got $1.7 billion direct grant money to keep said planes running in the manner in which you wanted (ie almost empty) while we got over the worst of this thing... not including the hundreds of millions on lots of other nice bits of pork like 800,000 'half price' airline tickets and case-by-case grants to operators like Rex to keep going. And yet despite all this Qantas still loses two billion and needs to keep sacking people, it still isn't at a point where its viable as a private company again.

Seriously, you want to throw even more hard earned Aussie government money at these enterprises? Why?

As an Australian taxpayer I say 'no'.
don_dunstan
Hawke didn't fly scabs in, the pilots resigned and replaced.

The country is far more dependent on air travel now than back then and this includes holidays.

The nation didn't "just solider on", the air force was brought in to provide rescue and regular services on key corridors at significant cost. The planes and pilots that were  brought in also came at a cost and the two Australian airlines were compensated for having large capita items sitting around doing nothing for 6-9 mths.

One more time brains trust, read the F'n Act and look at the limitations placed on Qantas by the Feds as part of condition of sale that still exist today!

For the brains trust of the deep south, maybe you might want to look at how the Feds have supported other industry's such as farming, mining, manufacturing, fishing, etc etc. Even paying the Job Keeper allowance to most sectors affected. Your blind narrow minded vision on this is amazing.

Respective govts? The CV has been with us for 14 mths.

You don't understand, or you don't want to understand. I think its the later.

Every wondered that planes may actually carry more than people? There is a big space underneath. SIA is being paid to keep air freight corridor to Australia from SE Asia open.

Every wondered how much all that International infrastructure and planes cost as well as a workforce of around 25,000? Their normal revenue was $18B a year and the income of which basically stopped over night so out goings were still in the order of $1B per month. As you are in Australia and your internet doesn't work OS, you don't know what its like anywhere else and how much airlines globally are loosing money.

As a Taxpayer I also say NO to funding the smaller states like SA through GST distribution, but $hit happens!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Minor point of order.
The pilots Hawke found were strictly speaking not scabs. A scab is one who takes another's job. In what has to be one of the most boneheaded pieces of industrial action in Australian history, the Pilots' Association boss (McCarthy if I remember correctly) convinced the majority of pilots to resign, which they did. The result was obvious and immediate. They lost any bargaining power which they may have had, and the replacement pilots were not taking anyone's jobs because the jobs were now vacant.
If the replacement pilots had been considered as scabs, I couldn't see the powerful Transport Workers' Union working alongside them.
Valvegear
I was in Launceston when this happened studying air traffic control.

TAA had a plane stay overnight in L'ton each night, the Aust Airlines pilots and crew turned up to work the next morning after the shutdown. The pilots offering to fly the plane back to Melbourne with cabin crew, empty.

The Aust Airlines airport Manager said one minute let be call head office, reply.

"Head office says,
- Ladies, we have cabins booked for you on Spirt Of Tasmania and a car will drive you to Devonport after lunch and from Melbourne to your homes via taxi

- Pilots, head office "politely" declines your offer and indicates you are to find your own way home as you are no longer employees of the company"
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Hawke didn't fly scabs in, the pilots resigned and replaced.
RTT_Rules

Tomato/tomato. Hawke organised scab labour to replace those pilots quick smart. A 'Labor' Prime Minister.
The country is far more dependent on air travel now than back then and this includes holidays.
RTT_Rules
Not an excuse to bleed taxpayers.
The nation didn't "just solider on", the air force was brought in to provide rescue and regular services on key corridors at significant cost. The planes and pilots that were brought in also came at a cost and the two Australian airlines were compensated for having large capita items sitting around doing nothing for 6-9 mths.
RTT_Rules
By and large the nation did in fact just soldier on without airlines until the scab labour settled in.
One more time brains trust, read the F'n Act and look at the limitations placed on Qantas by the Feds as part of condition of sale that still exist today!
RTT_Rules
One more time, no such conditions exist in the Qantas Sale Act. Please see a psychiatrist if symptoms persist! They don't exist - get over it.
For the brains trust of the deep south, maybe you might want to look at how the Feds have supported other industry's such as farming, mining, manufacturing, fishing, etc etc. Even paying the Job Keeper allowance to most sectors affected. Your blind narrow minded vision on this is amazing.
RTT_Rules
This is nothing to at all with giving direct grants to Qantas to run empty planes. Nothing at all. It doesn't meet any kind of national interest test.
Respective govts? The CV has been with us for 14 mths. You don't understand, or you don't want to understand. I think its the later. Every wondered that planes may actually carry more than people? There is a big space underneath. SIA is being paid to keep air freight corridor to Australia from SE Asia open. Every wondered how much all that International infrastructure and planes cost as well as a workforce of around 25,000? Their normal revenue was $18B a year and the income of which basically stopped over night so out goings were still in the order of $1B per month. As you are in Australia and your internet doesn't work OS, you don't know what its like anywhere else and how much airlines globally are loosing money.
RTT_Rules
None of this is any reason to bleed the Aussie taxpayer for more money to keep Alan Joyce and his minions paid.
As a Taxpayer I also say NO to funding the smaller states like SA through GST distribution, but $hit happens!
RTT_Rules
I've got lots of time at the moment, things have been quiet at work and I don't have a Pakistani man breathing down my neck wanting MY job.

You're quite simply wrong. It doesn't matter what kind of argument you throw out, it still doesn't make your demands for corporate pork for Qantas any more valid.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Qantastic
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Qantastic
We don't need a government protected national carrier any more - COVID19 proves that. If Qantas went broke (which they won't) then someone would get the capital and the planes to start another airline quick-smart, we saw that recently with REX stepping up to fill the vacuum left by Virgin.

Governments giving even more borrowed money to loss making airlines is just obscene.
don_dunstan
The loss of Virgin was barely noticed due to the timing and the fact Qantas was there. Rex was still a minor player.

The loss of Qantas would at this time when many parts of the tourism industry is in such a mess and trying to rebuild would have a much greater impact.

One more time for the hard of hearing. Govts are funding to keep critical air routes open for freight and personal use.

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