Investigation underway after heritage railway removed at Crookwell

 
  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/investigation-underway-after-heritage-railway-removed-at-crookwell

I think the grazier is in for a world of pain.

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is not good at all and should be a criminal offence.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There would be close to no chance that the old railway would be permitted to be used by those rail trolleys, jut way too many liabilities along with hefty ongoing costs.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
There would be close to no chance that the old railway would be permitted to be used by those rail trolleys, jut way too many liabilities along with hefty ongoing costs.
Nightfire

I thought they were already running trolleys for the past few months?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Only In the confines of Crookwell Railway Yard, as soon as they want to cross a public road crossing, that’s where things get very expensive and complicated.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

https://aboutregional.com.au/investigation-underway-after-heritage-railway-removed-at-crookwell/?utm_medium=Railpage&utm_source=ar&fbclid=IwAR3dHozPMuQEKZk0QXe1FdgvPAwINOBLqQL9fstyW5vtJ-46dRc2_RunsD8

I think the grazier is in for a world of pain.
apw5910

I hope so, f***ing self-righteous squatters.

I did not like the way the article gave the impression the farmer was the "landowner", which is simply not true.  The neighbouring landholders do not own the corridor, nor have any rights to it at all.

Just imagine if a farmer did that to a public road FFS.  "My prize bull got hit by a truck, so I spent $250,000 of MY OWN MONEY removing the road, and adding the land to my paddocks."  It's the "I stole it fair and square" argument.

@bevans, I believe what occurred *is* a criminal offence.  I think whoever did this could be charged with both criminal trespass, and criminal damage, potentially looking at gaol time given the value/cost of rectification for the damage done.  Further, I think they should be ordered to make good (at very least restore the embankment), then at the farmer's expense properly fence their adjoining section of the corridor, to protect the rightful owners (ie us), from their irresponsibility.

/rant
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I think it will be very interesting to see what NSW Gov. does with this...
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

I fear this grazier has overstepped his bounds. I'm not sure what the government can do other then to prosecute him.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Not a lawyer but given its still a legislated railway line i think it would be legally equivalent to removing the main south, platform 1 at central, or the bridge over the Murray...

Also, if your bull is worth $100,000 wouldnt you be taking more care of it than that?  Contributory negligence will come into play here too...
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I though that it would have been easier to fence the railway, and provide one place, suitably filled with soil and fenced across the track, all of which could be removed when necessary, so that his valuable cattle could cross in safety.
Instead, he took the "bull in a china shop" approach.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

I though that it would have been easier to fence the railway, and provide one place, suitably filled with soil and fenced across the track, all of which could be removed when necessary, so that his valuable cattle could cross in safety.
Instead, he took the "bull in a china shop" approach.
Valvegear
There were places on unfenced lines where the grazier fenced the line for their own benefit.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Might be time to accelerate rail trails, before ‘squatters’ get their hands on the rights of way:
https://gcrt.org.au/index.html
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Not as if the cocky has just taken up the tracks, looks like he has done significant earthworks as well. One hopes a sizable book is thrown.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Criminal damage this is.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
It's not a surprising story, I've been following the attempted development of a few rail trails in VIC and SA and the strong objections of adjacent landholders are the biggest obstacle despite the fact that its Crown land in every instance. I guess they don't want to lose their adverse possession as that cattle grazier in NSW obviously didn't.

There's been several attempts to get the former Balmoral VIC railway line going as a rail trail in the last twenty years and every single time shut down by the adjacent landholders who say it would present some kind of risk to their farming operations. Personally I think the Wimmera (amongst other places) is crying out for these kind of tourist attractions.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Maybe just maybe rail trails are not for
Everyone.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Rail Trails are going gangbusters around the Country, there Is powerful community and businesses support for them, Governments are very willing to fund them (when all the i’s are dotted and t’s crossed)

The opposition mainly comes from nearby landowners who want the land for themselves and of cause the “I want my train back Facebook groups” who seem to alway pop up when the media gets wind of a proposed rail trail that’s gained Government approval and likely to secure funding.
  8502 Junior Train Controller

I have been on two rail trails and I would not say they are going gang busters.

The Murray to Mountains trail is one that might be regarded as successful.
  a6et Minister for Railways

There are/were many rail lines across NSW that ran in unfenced situations, many in operation before farms were approved that disected properties.  

Lines in NSW include Coota - Forbes/Parkes;  Werris Creek - Binnaway; Parkes - Narromine;  Dubbo - Bourke and branches along the lines, Southern Branch Lines,  Cooma. Boorowa, along with many more.

Having worked over several of the lines, there was always problems with stock on the line, be it cattle or sheep, many property owners who had prized bulls or what were deemed Breeding stock would always make sure they were put in stalls over night or in set paddocks, as they knew if they simply roamed they ran the risk of being hit by trains.

In the rural areas, stock across the lines were a hazard but as a driver we had to watch out & be careful, if stock was seen on the line we had to dim the headlight, and use an ongoing Pop Pop on the whistle/air horn, the erratic nature of that with the whistle would make the stock jittery and run away from the line.

As lines closed many farmers would often take up a short length of rail for their needs but I have never heard of this mass lifting of rail before, but in most cases the farmers only had to make application to have track removed on their property, and often was granted.

In general most areas progressively fenced their sections, and if they owned both sides of the line, then a sleeper crossing over the rail lines would be put in place, and a gate would be put to both sides of the track, usually the farmers would try and find out if the line was operational of any trains running on the line in the day.

Looking at the photo's shown, I would hazard to suggest & in agreement with the idea that he simply wanted the land for his own purpose as he has removed a lot more than just the rail and sleepers, what did he do with the sleepers?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Not as if the cocky has just taken up the tracks, looks like he has done significant earthworks as well. One hopes a sizable book is thrown.
Galron
This guy isnt a cocky, hes a grazier.  Cockies are grain farmers given how they dig through the soil with seeds...

Just your random farming tidbit for the day (@BigShunter)!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Apparently the guy who is responsible is Knox?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
This guy isnt a cocky, hes a grazier.  Cockies are grain farmers given how they dig through the soil with seeds...

Just your random farming tidbit for the day (@BigShunter)!
james.au
Thanks james and yes I'll grab the battern. Growing up near Cavendish, Western Vic, a couple of the the young bucks I knew from school in Hamilton, one of the parents would hook the trailer on the car and drive a few of them to Cavendish and the boys would ride their motor bike along the disused line to Balmoral. About 1979 - 80 I reckon and by 1982 plenty of farms had put fencing across " their " patch of railway  reserve and no more motor bike riding to Balmoral.

It's a bit hard to work out because the land isn't productive at all as it's undeveloped and the farmers certainly wouldn't spend anything on it because it's not theirs but didn't want anyone else to use or have it either ???

And up the other end of the line in about 2006 - 7 there was a proposal to create a bike path to Natimuk from Horsham along the same disused line and there was hails of protests by the whinging bloody farmers, all the excuses under the sun, people wondering onto their land, possible stock theft, damage to machinery, spreading of weeds and the list went on. You wouldn't have got more excuses if you were intending to set up a Nuclear Power station.

However most of the properties that bordered the line to the North were bordered by the Wimmera Highway to the South but none of the afore mentioned happened down there. The bike path would have been terrific for Natimuk and all the mountain climbers at the time that climbed at Mt Arapiles but it was knocked on the head. Can't remember probably a couple of farmers on the council or slipping a few $$$ in the right direction Wink

BigShunter.

we had sheep and some cropping, that would have made us farmers wouldn't it james....
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Grazing sod buster
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

This guy isnt a cocky, hes a grazier.
james.au
I thought it was a bovine stud farm, which makes him neither a grazier nor a cocky, rather a great big f***er.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
...

And up the other end of the line in about 2006 - 7 there was a proposal to create a bike path to Natimuk from Horsham along the same disused line and there was hails of protests by the whinging bloody farmers, all the excuses under the sun, people wondering onto their land, possible stock theft, damage to machinery, spreading of weeds and the list went on. You wouldn't have got more excuses if you were intending to set up a Nuclear Power station.

However most of the properties that bordered the line to the North were bordered by the Wimmera Highway to the South but none of the afore mentioned happened down there. The bike path would have been terrific for Natimuk and all the mountain climbers at the time that climbed at Mt Arapiles but it was knocked on the head. Can't remember probably a couple of farmers on the council or slipping a few $$$ in the right direction Wink

BigShunter.

we had sheep and some cropping, that would have made us farmers wouldn't it james....
BigShunter
The Wimmera is already a dead loss when it comes to tourism. There's Mt Arapiles and the various trout fishing reservoirs but otherwise nothing.

Compare to the Ballarat-Linton rail trail, which is a really big tourism boost to the area especially in school holiday periods - cyclists book into hotels, spend money and otherwise provide some desperately needed tourist money to those places. Nimmon's bridge is a big tourist attraction in its own right, people travel there to photograph it.

Farmers only think about their own backyard, not about the need to generate some kind of tourism. I don't think there was corruption as such but a lot of pressure from those who don't want change and don't want to give up their adverse possession of the land. They need to be reminded that it's Crown land and doesn't actually belong to them - and that it would benefit the entire community if they tuned it over to other uses.

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