The corona virus COVID-19

 
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Carnot, There is a case or 2 in Cohuna and I think a few other places in regional Vic are on standby.

WA has just had a case of cross passage infection in quarantine

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  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Leakage from the hotel quarantine during the stay is only a minor issue, not the only issue.

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  Carnot Minister for Railways

No confirmed cases in Cohuna or Axedale. An infected person visited those places on May 22-23 and tier 1 location people are in 14 day self quarantine.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

It’s us, the general public, that is a major factor in this outbreak. For example, not getting tested promptly, not wearing masks on public transport, not checking in at venues and not getting vaccinated. As usual, complacency, fostered by the Media, has crept in.

The early Case 5 had symptoms for a week before getting tested. There were plenty of testing facilities available and the constant plea from the State Government was not to delay being tested.

Less than 50% of people were wearing masks on public transport. The night before it all broke, Opposition spokesperson David Davis was on TV news bulletins querying the need for masks on public transport.

At least one of the night club venues had 25 people checked-in when it is known that there were more than 100 people in attendance. These QR codes look good on paper but people have to use them. Very few businesses made an effort to make sure that customers were. NSW’s own figures show a decline in use of its system. In January there were 66 million check-ins for the month. By April that had fallen to less than 50 million.

There was plenty of spare capacity for vaccination at the state-run centres and private GPs prior to the outbreak. If you couldn’t get a booking with a GP, walk-ups were readily available at state centres. The Media was to a great degree responsible for the hesitancy, with its overemphasis of AstraZenica blood clots. (Now the Media is complaining about delays at vaccination centres.)

It’s good to see the Commonwealth Government and private industry are getting some, but not all, of the ‘credit’ they deserve, this time round, despite their usual efforts to keep their heads down.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

It’s us, the general public, that is a major factor in this outbreak. For example, not getting tested promptly, not wearing masks on public transport, not checking in at venues and not getting vaccinated. As usual, complacency, fostered by the Media, has crept in.

The early Case 5 had symptoms for a week before getting tested. There were plenty of testing facilities available and the constant plea from the State Government was not to delay being tested.

Less than 50% of people were wearing masks on public transport. The night before it all broke, Opposition spokesperson David Davis was on TV news bulletins querying the need for masks on public transport.

At least one of the night club venues had 25 people checked-in when it is known that there were more than 100 people in attendance. These QR codes look good on paper but people have to use them. Very few businesses made an effort to make sure that customers were. NSW’s own figures show a decline in use of its system. In January there were 66 million check-ins per month. By April that had fallen to less than 50 million.

There was plenty of spare capacity for vaccination at the state-run centres and private GPs prior to the outbreak. If you couldn’t get a booking with a GP, walk-ups were readily available at state centres. The Media was to a great degree responsible for the hesitancy, with its overemphasis of AstraZenica blood clots. (Now the Media is complaining about delays at vaccination centres.)

It’s good to see the Commonwealth Government and private industry are getting some, but not all, of the ‘credit’ they deserve, this time round, despite their usual efforts to keep their heads down.
kitchgp
It's not the publics fault. The public will break the rules and you can't enforce such huge masses of people to all do the right thing, especially in pubs and nightclubs when people are pissed or high.

This needs to be delt with as border policy. It is the federal governments fault. They should have set up an isolated quarantine system this time last year and required people to provide a negative COVID test BEFORE being able to return home.

The costs of not doing so have far outweighed the costs of setting up these single use facilities. Where was that "tough man" Peter Dutton last year? Hiding.

The federal government is carrying on like the pandemic is over.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner


....... Leakage from the hotel quarantine during the stay is only a minor issue, not the only issue......
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Last year, before it happened in states other than Victoria, it was the be-all and end-all of COVID outbreaks.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Leakage from the hotel quarantine during the stay is only a minor issue

I'm sure every Victorian on this forum agrees with that.
Yep, very much so. They need to ask themselves, why does this keep happening to us?

NSW, never stopped or curtailed returning expats and never closed its border to another state, never had a state wide lockdown.

NSW needs to field candidates in the upcoming state election to give the voters an alternative option.

I'd recommend a merger of the two states, but there is some stuff from the Mexicans NSW would prefer to not be associated with.
Again, it happened to Victoria because even though he was released from South Australia apparently clear of the virus, he wasn't, and he went to Melbourne, not your beloved NSW.

NSW didn't have to close its borders because the other states did instead. A perfect analogy would be that you never need to get the vaccine as long as everyone else does. Taking the easy way out.
NSW is not my beloved.

NSW never closed its borders to the problems in other states. Meanwhile other states closed their borders to each other at the drop of a hat.

Don't treat this to mean I support fully open unrestricted movement, There needed to be some level of control but not the madness that went on.

I'm also curious on how this full border closure was managed along the Tweed area of the Qld border as there are side streets and suburbia literally spilling across the dotted line. Further inland there was also plenty of option to cross if not drive, simply walk across. What about the dirt tracks out near Tibooburra? Likewise the straight section of the NSW and Vic borders where there are numerous back roads.
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Short memory.

The Ruby Princess debacle in NSW eventually saw some other states close their borders to NSW because NSW was considered pox, and rightly so. In other words the other states were defending themselves against the leper colony at that time which was NSW. It was an obvious decision by those states to do so, but it resulted in giving NSW a get-out-of-jail-free card regarding their own travel restrictions.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

....... especially in pubs and nightclubs when people are pissed or high....
Mr. Lane
That's what you become after you've entered the venue. (It's illegal to serve the intoxicated.)
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Leakage from the hotel quarantine during the stay is only a minor issue
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You appear to be either unaware, or disdainful, of the fact that there have been 17 cases of quarantine hotel transmission in the past 6 months.
Hotel quarantine is oxymoron of the year.

Edit: Make that 18 transmissions; there's just been one in WA.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

...........NSW never closed its borders to the problems in other states. Meanwhile other states closed their borders to each other at the drop of a hat.......
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/victoria-nsw-border-to-close-over-coronavirus-fears/12424686
The closure was for travel from Victoria to NSW. NSW Police et al were manning the borders.
Without researching it too much, it's more likely, technically, Victoria didn't close its borders, just introduced the permit system for red and amber hotspots and green areas.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Feel quite sorry for the guy that spread this thing from Adelaide, fancy paying to get covid.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
...........NSW never closed its borders to the problems in other states. Meanwhile other states closed their borders to each other at the drop of a hat.......


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-06/victoria-nsw-border-to-close-over-coronavirus-fears/12424686
The closure was for travel from Victoria to NSW. NSW Police et al were manning the borders.
Without researching it too much, it's more likely, technically, Victoria didn't close its borders, just introduced the permit system for red and amber hotspots and green areas.
kitchgp
Read on.

"Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced the closure..."

"That closure will be enforced on the New South Wales side, so as not to be a drain on resources that are very much focused on fighting the virus right now across our state," Mr Andrews said
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Short memory.

The Ruby Princess debacle in NSW eventually saw some other states close their borders to NSW because NSW was considered pox, and rightly so. In other words the other states were defending themselves against the leper colony at that time which was NSW. It was an obvious decision by those states to do so, but it resulted in giving NSW a get-out-of-jail-free card regarding their own travel restrictions.
DirtyBallast
Ok, so you are now going back to Day 0. You know back when planes were still a thing. Hell half of you here were blaming SCOMO for that and not NSW.

We have moved on since then.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
"Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews announced the closure..."

"That closure will be enforced on the New South Wales side, so as not to be a drain on resources that are very much focused on fighting the virus right now across our state," Mr Andrews said
"RTT_Rules"
Of course he announced it, because of the fact that NSW wanted it closed, and therefore NSW could enforce the closure on its side of the border. He wasn't going to commit Victorian police to doing a job for NSW, and quite rightly so.

You assume too much from half way around the world. Obviously you are unaware of the chaos caused by NSW's closure which impinged heavily on people who lived in Wodonga and worked in Albury. It was bedlam, and it was NSW's closure.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
My money is on the lockdown continuing past Thursday probably to Sunday evening ?
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

To paraphrase Percy Garris (Strother Martin) speaking to Butch and Sundance, in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid:

“Morons. I've got morons on my team. Nobody is going to stop us going down the mountain (to Victoria). We have got no virus going down the mountain. When we have got the virus, on the way back, then you can sweat.”
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Half way between Propodolla and Kinimakatka
Up the Hume and could be in NSW, Goulburn Jervis Bay and a couple of other places on standby. Hopefully not Sydney. If it does get to Sydney Scovid will be off overseas again, if not hanging from a lamp post, along with Hunt Frydenburg Colbeck and a couple of others.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

"The federal government is carrying on like the pandemic is over.
Mr Lane

I reckon this inept useless excuse of a federal government will be over come election time.

Michel de Nostredame
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I wrote yesterday, "You appear to be either unaware, or disdainful, of the fact that there have been 17 cases of quarantine hotel transmission in the past 6 months.

Edit: Make that 18 transmissions; there's just been one in WA."

This morning the Federal Chief Medical Officer acknowledged that 18 was the conventional wisdom, but added that the true figure is actually 21.
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
"The federal government is carrying on like the pandemic is over.
Mr Lane

I reckon this inept useless excuse of a federal government will be over come election time.

Michel de Nostredame
doyle
Nope, the Morrison Govt will get back in easy, why, because the Labour party can't make up their mind on whether they are Arthur, or Martha.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
ABC reporting lockdown to be extended for a further 7 days.......

***edit, sorry, "at least another 7 days".......
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Rumours of Melb staying put for another week.  Possible relaxation of some rules in Regional Vic.  Presser soon.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Short memory.

The Ruby Princess debacle in NSW eventually saw some other states close their borders to NSW because NSW was considered pox, and rightly so. In other words the other states were defending themselves against the leper colony at that time which was NSW. It was an obvious decision by those states to do so, but it resulted in giving NSW a get-out-of-jail-free card regarding their own travel restrictions.
Ok, so you are now going back to Day 0. You know back when planes were still a thing. Hell half of you here were blaming SCOMO for that and not NSW.

We have moved on since then.
RTT_Rules
Lol, now you're carrying on like don_dunstan.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victoria will remain under lockdown for a further seven days until June 10, with Acting Premier James Merlino warning “if we let this thing run its course, it will explode”.

Restrictions will be eased in regional Victoria but for Melbourne, the current condition remains in place bar an extended lockdown area, now 10km from 5km.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Victoria will remain under lockdown for a further seven days until June 10, with Acting Premier James Merlino warning “if we let this thing run its course, it will explode”.

Restrictions will be eased in regional Victoria but for Melbourne, the current condition remains in place bar an extended lockdown area, now 10km from 5km.
bevans
He did put on caveat for Regional Vic reopening due to unexpected wastewater detection in Bendigo (27 - 28th May) and Mornington.  Probably from someone already quarantining or has since gone back to Melb, so they'll be retesting those people.

Fingers crossed.

BTW, all 6 new cases today were linked.

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