The corona virus COVID-19

 
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I've been retching at that annoying Channel Nine "do right" campaign all week and so this made me laugh: Betoota Advocate

A Betoota Heights father of three has decided to get the spicy cough jab after being unsure about it for months.

Dennis Pooley was on the fence, he says, because he lives on the fringe of the mighty Simpson and rarely leaves our cosmopolitan desert community – which is yet to register a since case of the Pangolin’s Wrath.

That and he reckons it was developed to lower fertility rates and this whole thing was designed by a series of small, powerful families in Europe and North America to lower the global population.

“But,” he said.

“When I saw Scott Cam get the so-called Michelle Phifer jab on the TV, I knew I had to get it,”

“I know Scotty wouldn’t mislead me.”

When asked by The Advocate why he had the change of heart, he said it was because he already had three kids and didn’t want any more.

“It’s cheaper than getting my plums disconnected? Isn’t it?”

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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Harvey Norman showrooms, have their place. I’ll go there look, touch and feel a product I’m interested in.  Compare pricing. And then buy somewhere else.
Thanks Gerry, Go Harvey go.
michaelgm
It was people doing exactly this that caused us to shut our bricks and mortar store in Melbourne and go online only. Moved the business to the country and I've never been happier. Of course we get customers whinging all the time that they can't come in and look, touch and feel stuff before they buy but tough luck. You reap what you sow Laughing
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I still remember some time ago he said he was losing sales because people weren't paying GST on overseas purchases. Yes Gerry, they're not buying your stuff at double the overseas price (at the time) because of a 10% difference.
He got his way though, Ebay etc are responsible for collecting the GST on overseas sales despite the fact that it doesn't make much difference if the item is 50% cheaper than what Gerry is selling it for.
don_dunstan
I've posted about this before on RP but I feel compelled to do it again. Forget Gerry Harvey, all small businesses like ours ever wanted was a level playing field. We spent years being crucified by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT which allowed imports up to $1000 to be imported duty and gst-free while at the same time we had to charge GST on EVERY sale we made and pay duty on items we imported.

Finally the government saw sense - who would have thunk it that it is better for a local firm to make a sale and keep at least some of the $$$ on shore instead of just sending it all OS - and changed the rules

The government was then pleasantly surprised to find a big windfall in GST receipts as all those clever people in the public service had massively underestimated the increase in tax receipts that would come as a result of the change in the rules

The whingers keep bleating about actually having to pay their way and blame big bad Gerry for costing them a mere fraction of their fat salaries but it is just common sense, nothing more, nothing less.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I still remember some time ago he said he was losing sales because people weren't paying GST on overseas purchases. Yes Gerry, they're not buying your stuff at double the overseas price (at the time) because of a 10% difference.
He got his way though, Ebay etc are responsible for collecting the GST on overseas sales despite the fact that it doesn't make much difference if the item is 50% cheaper than what Gerry is selling it for.
I've posted about this before on RP but I feel compelled to do it again. Forget Gerry Harvey, all small businesses like ours ever wanted was a level playing field. We spent years being crucified by OUR OWN GOVERNMENT which allowed imports up to $1000 to be imported duty and gst-free while at the same time we had to charge GST on EVERY sale we made and pay duty on items we imported.

Finally the government saw sense - who would have thunk it that it is better for a local firm to make a sale and keep at least some of the $$$ on shore instead of just sending it all OS - and changed the rules

The government was then pleasantly surprised to find a big windfall in GST receipts as all those clever people in the public service had massively underestimated the increase in tax receipts that would come as a result of the change in the rules

The whingers keep bleating about actually having to pay their way and blame big bad Gerry for costing them a mere fraction of their fat salaries but it is just common sense, nothing more, nothing less.
BrentonGolding
I'm not arguing with you, its only fair enough. If only that kind of equality could be applied to everything with the stroke of a pen.

The business I work for competes head-to-head with cheaper Asian imports only we're hobbled by excessive rents and rates, (soon to be) 12.5% guaranteed superannuation right on top of wages, worker's compensation, payroll tax, all the wonderful trimmings like environmental compliance requiring constant upgrades PLUS one of the world's highest electricity prices (around 35 cents kw/h versus around 8 or 10 cents in competing countries). Plus direct theft of intellectual property and R&D, plus having to pay five times the wages that our competitors do... plus plus plus.

This country is an absolute joke to try and run a viable business in, the only kinds of profitable businesses are entrenched oligopolies 'too big to fail' like Woolies, Coles, the Big Four Banks, etc., hospitality, farming etc where they can get away with paying below award wages and industries directly funded or subsidised by the government (think NDIS, health, construction). The spine of this country that provides most of the jobs - small to medium enterprises (especially the ones that export) are completely stuffed, they just can't compete on this imaginary 'level playing field'.

COVID in many cases is just going to be the thing that finishes them off, that's all.
  doyle Chief Commissioner
  billybaxter Chief Commissioner

Location: Bosnia Park, Fairfield
So Don, which are these countries that have governments that are running things so much better than Australia? How does Australia manage to offer its population such a high standard of living? Why do so many people want to migrate to Australia yet so few wish to emigrate? Things are working well with the economy and employment, as you have said yourself, why would the government rush in to changing things for the sake of your imaginary beautiful small business world. Italy has a quite large small business sector. Perhaps it is an example you wish the government to follow?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Wow!  
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
So Don, which are these countries that have governments that are running things so much better than Australia? How does Australia manage to offer its population such a high standard of living? Why do so many people want to migrate to Australia yet so few wish to emigrate? Things are working well with the economy and employment, as you have said yourself, why would the government rush in to changing things for the sake of your imaginary beautiful small business world. Italy has a quite large small business sector. Perhaps it is an example you wish the government to follow?
billybaxter
Why should I respond to such a clueless post, Billy - I bet you have zero experience in trying to run a business.

These are REAL things, Billy - people's jobs move off-shore because Australia can't compete with Asia - and at some point Asia will stop buying our iron ore, our gas and our residency visas through the university system and the whole thing will collapse because we can't earn foreign capital at all any more.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Children hospitalised

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-variants-scotland-children-hospital-b1858814.html
doyle
Brett Sutton was telling Victorians the other day that you could pick up one of the variant strains from simply walking past someone with it. Now they've abandoned that lie and have moved on to another lie to scare people - that it targets children.

This is on top of the extreme rubbish we've been experiencing here in South Australia - people not allowed to attend funerals in South Australia from Victoria but it's perfectly okay for the whole of the Collingwood footy team to come here for a match tonight - just don't touch the match ball if it goes into the crowd or you could get killed stone dead. From the ABC;

But Professor Spurrier — who, by her own admission, is not a strong football fan — said crowds at the match would also have to do their bit.

"We cannot have any interaction at all. We're looking at the seating at the moment and we're looking at the ball," she said.

"Not that I've been to many football games [but] I have noticed occasionally it does get kicked into the crowd and we are working through the details of what that will mean.

"If you are at Adelaide Oval and the ball comes towards you, my advice to you is to duck and do not touch that ball."

So stay afraid. No-one can cross that border for funerals, weddings and family emergencies. But not so afraid that we can't let the footy go on as normal...
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Acting VIC Premier James Merlino is delusional or dishonest - or both. He says the virus is a sentient being that thinks... and its out to get you:

There are a lot of things we are waiting for and the point I would make is the only way, the only way out of this pandemic is the successful roll-out of the vaccine… The virus, the virus is our enemy and the virus doesn’t sleep. The virus mutates, the virus thinks that this is a race.

Vaccines don't prevent you from getting or transmitting the virus. He's really quite wrong about that - the virus will still be around even if vaccination rates make 100%. Its the government's reaction to the virus that is emerging as the core problem.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Acting VIC Premier James Merlino is delusional or dishonest - or both. He says the virus is a sentient being that thinks... and its out to get you:

There are a lot of things we are waiting for and the point I would make is the only way, the only way out of this pandemic is the successful roll-out of the vaccine… The virus, the virus is our enemy and the virus doesn’t sleep. The virus mutates, the virus thinks that this is a race.

Vaccines don't prevent you from getting or transmitting the virus. He's really quite wrong about that - the virus will still be around even if vaccination rates make 100%. Its the government's reaction to the virus that is emerging as the core problem.
don_dunstan
Yeah, but the vaccine reduces the duration someone is sick or even has any symptoms, mostly eliminates the risk of death, slows transmission and reduces mutations and allows life to return to normal.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
As the US economy SLOWLY starts to come out of the Trump malaise and COVID-19 lockdowns, many people are reluctant to return to crappy paying, under $10.00 per hour jobs.



https://youtu.be/mPy8-4giewU
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line
Not so 'sleepy Joe' is all out to move on from the pandemic. Unlike ScoMo who has well and truly dropped the ball on the populace getting the jab.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/biden-launches-vaccine-blitz-in-bid-to-declare-independence-from-covid-19-20210603-p57xky.html

As an over 60, if I were to book in to get my jab in Ballarat, last time I checked I have to wait over 2 weeks.

Mike.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand

As an over 60, if I were to book in to get my jab in Ballarat, last time I checked I have to wait over 2 weeks.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Well why don't you book now?
My region of NZ began vaccinating over 60's ten days ago. We were told to wait for a text. However several people including my neighbours told me to ring which I did on Thursday. A very nice lady took my details and booked me in for Monday June 14. NZ only has Pfizer, so 2nd jab will be July 6.
A mate surname J and his wife received texts on Wednesday and have bookings next week, my surname is R. I rang a mate surname W and he and his wife rang and got bookings for June 25. Most people I know here in NZ have been eager to get the jab.
And my relatives and their friends in Sydney (over 80) have been vaccinated (6 - 8 weeks ago) but, being AZ have to wait 12 weeks for the 2nd.
I am relieved as I am now making bookings for last week of July to fly to visit my family in Sydney and have booked train to Broken Hill on August 9, accommodation and sadly flight back on Aug 13.  I hate flying but do not want to stay a week.
Despite my dual citizenship I would not fly and quarantine, nor would I fly unvaccinated.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Yeah, but the vaccine reduces the duration someone is sick or even has any symptoms, mostly eliminates the risk of death, slows transmission and reduces mutations and allows life to return to normal.
RTT_Rules
Most people don't get sick from COVID19 anyway - its targets the obese, smokers and those over 85.

And we will never get back to 'normal' in Australia - there will be another virus after this one.
  The Vinelander Minister for Railways

Location: Ballan, Victoria on the Ballarat RFR Line

As an over 60, if I were to book in to get my jab in Ballarat, last time I checked I have to wait over 2 weeks.

Mike.Well why don't you book now?
Brianr

I'm not flying across the pond or any other international place in the near future, so I'm not in a screaming hurry to get the jab and I live in regional Victoria.

Others of a less healthy disposition can go ahead if they wish and I'll go when the booking nonsense has been put to bed.

Mike.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Apparently lots of older people rocking up as walk-ins but being told to go and book instead via Internet (which they don't have), or call a number which puts them on hold for hours.... If you have an older relative, help them out btw.

I had my first Pfizer jab yesterday (booked online nearly 2 weeks ago, and I'm under 50).  Shoulder is a bit sore, although feeling fine otherwise. Apparently the 2nd jab in 3 weeks time hits hard, but happy to be vaccinated.
  Brianr Deputy Commissioner

Location: Dunedin, New Zealand

As an over 60, if I were to book in to get my jab in Ballarat, last time I checked I have to wait over 2 weeks.

Mike.Well why don't you book now?
I'm not flying across the pond or any other international place in the near future, so I'm not in a screaming hurry to get the jab and I live in regional Victoria.

Others of a less healthy disposition can go ahead if they wish and I'll go when the booking nonsense has been put to bed.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Most if not all of my Kiwi friends have no plans to travel and the South Island has not had a case since last August but we all want to do our bit for the team of 5 million. Perhaps it helps to have a great positive Prime Minister.
I often regret I was born in Australia, but  thankful I made the decision to migrate and become a Kiwi.  I do not see any of the negativity here that I see on Australian forums.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Yeah, but the vaccine reduces the duration someone is sick or even has any symptoms, mostly eliminates the risk of death, slows transmission and reduces mutations and allows life to return to normal.
Most people don't get sick from COVID19 anyway - its targets the obese, smokers and those over 85.
don_dunstan
Just like all the non-elderly, skinny, malnourished slum dwellers in India, yeah? Or, am I wrong and it only targeted the people in India that can actually afford to overeat?
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean

As an over 60, if I were to book in to get my jab in Ballarat, last time I checked I have to wait over 2 weeks.

Mike.Well why don't you book now?
I'm not flying across the pond or any other international place in the near future, so I'm not in a screaming hurry to get the jab and I live in regional Victoria.

Others of a less healthy disposition can go ahead if they wish and I'll go when the booking nonsense has been put to bed.

Mike.
The Vinelander
Go ahead and book in, please. Civic duty and all.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Regarding the vaccination, I had my first dose of astra a little over a week ago at our GP clinic (which had been booked in a few weeks prior) and came out of it totally free of side effects, as did my wife. After the necessary 15 minute wait we were directed to make an appointment for the follow-up, only to be told that the interval would be 13 weeks, not 12, due to logistical constraints.

This was slightly disconcerting and I spent some time that evening trying to determine whether we were being unnecessarily delayed. A google search suggested that 8 - 12 weeks is preferred, but subsequent discussions with a medical professional has allayed our fears. 13 weeks is fine. 16 weeks is also fine, but 12 weeks is ideal because it gets the second dose done sooner.
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Australia is approaching (has passed) 5 million vaccination doses:

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/06/covid-19-vaccination-total-vaccine-doses_3.pdf

There is no mention of how many have been fully vaccinated, ie second dose. The State figures on the right are the doses administered at vaccination centres only, not those administered by GPs within that particular state. (Those are the figures quoted by most of the Media.) If you delve further into the Commonwealth Dept of Health's website you might find a more detailed analysis.

But then again it's not a race.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Regarding the vaccination, I had my first dose of astra a little over a week ago at our GP clinic (which had been booked in a few weeks prior) and came out of it totally free of side effects, as did my wife. After the necessary 15 minute wait we were directed to make an appointment for the follow-up, only to be told that the interval would be 13 weeks, not 12, due to logistical constraints.

This was slightly disconcerting and I spent some time that evening trying to determine whether we were being unnecessarily delayed. A google search suggested that 8 - 12 weeks is preferred, but subsequent discussions with a medical professional has allayed our fears. 13 weeks is fine. 16 weeks is also fine, but 12 weeks is ideal because it gets the second dose done sooner.
DirtyBallast
The YMs and I had our first AZ end of March at local GP clinic - no side effects whatever.
Second dose mid this month unless someone changes the rules. Fingers crossed that doesn't happen.Smile
  route14 Chief Commissioner

In China the interval is 21 days.

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