Mode Shift Incentive Scheme

 
  Richard stroker Train Controller

QUBE is the operator picking up the work taking rail to road . I guess if anyone knows the price difference between road and rail it would be them

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  Ned Weiser Beginner

Last year in the "Ballarat Courier", Qube ran an ad stating that they wanted to buy a local transport operator.

I thought the ad a bit strange at the time, as the Ballarat Intermodal Hub seemed dead in the water. However after hearing how Qube are undercutting a lot of Dooen hub business, maybe they are trying to wipe out SCT to eventually have enough guaranteed freight to justify future development at Ballarat.

In view of Qube's massive losses in Sydney, they clearly wouldn't want the same thing to happen at Ballarat.

I recently travelled from Ballarat to Dimboola and back, and was staggered by the amount of A-Doubles on the road. Meanwhile, the roads up around Hopetoun and Warracknabeal are gradually falling to pieces. Very hard to drive over 80kph in view of the rough surfaces. Just a few km here and there are smoother due to resurfacing, but those sections were already showing signs of wear, so obviously patched up on the cheap.

I guess nothing will happen with regional rail freight until the Port of Melbourne opens up its new rail to dock facilities.
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
Last year in the "Ballarat Courier", Qube ran an ad stating that they wanted to buy a local transport operator.

I thought the ad a bit strange at the time, as the Ballarat Intermodal Hub seemed dead in the water. However after hearing how Qube are undercutting a lot of Dooen hub business, maybe they are trying to wipe out SCT to eventually have enough guaranteed freight to justify future development at Ballarat.

In view of Qube's massive losses in Sydney, they clearly wouldn't want the same thing to happen at Ballarat.
Ned Weiser
Thanks for the informative  post Ned, raises an interesting topic and may answer a question or two for me. I'll add a bit to this and recap a bit of what's gone on here. I have posted most of this probably in various threads over the years and may not have the story quite right but fairly close to the mark.

A short time after the Wimmera Container Line moved out to the new Dooen site, Qube were trying to purchase the business and they ( WCL ) refuse to sell. Not long after Qube poached a heap of work out of Rupanyup and has steadily been gaining container traffic ever since and with the A-Double combination over the last few years have increased their productivity & container numbers big time from the Wimmera at I can only imagine, the expense of the Dooen Freight Terminal.
In the last couple of years Qube were going to jump on board with Broadbent's container operation in Ballarat and things went very cold very quickly for some reason.

So maybe as Ned says Qube are squeezing the market to capture it for them selves.

BigShunter.
  8502 Train Controller

I read also Qube tried to setup shop at Horsham Yard
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
If you want proof Victoria wants trucks then look  to the delayed intermodal terminal at Ballarat which has federal funds. Look to delayed terminal at Gippsland requested for years.

Look to the delayed for 7 years it must be port shuttles and they are years away. This is all deliberate. It does not have 5 years with federal money to install a rail siding and signalling on a line in Ballarat.

I hear Mars is keen for rail but increasingly frustrated. Where are the rail companies pushing for this ?
freightgate
Meanwhile Qube will load containers at the Maryvale paper mill instead of building a new intermodal terminal. Guess how many companies have take up this offer?

Close to NONE.

The terminal in Morwell never got built because no one with semi regular traffic was interested.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

So they're going to spend money on a study to increase road freight but not rail freight to the Swan Hill region.  Pathetic:
https://www.premier.vic.gov.au/better-freight-future-central-murray
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
If you want proof Victoria wants trucks then look  to the delayed intermodal terminal at Ballarat which has federal funds. Look to delayed terminal at Gippsland requested for years.

Look to the delayed for 7 years it must be port shuttles and they are years away. This is all deliberate. It does not have 5 years with federal money to install a rail siding and signalling on a line in Ballarat.

I hear Mars is keen for rail but increasingly frustrated. Where are the rail companies pushing for this ?
Meanwhile Qube will load containers at the Maryvale paper mill instead of building a new intermodal terminal. Guess how many companies have take up this offer?

Close to NONE.

The terminal in Morwell never got built because no one with semi regular traffic was interested.
speedemon08

What about customers wanting their freight on rail?
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

What about customers wanting their freight on rail?
bevans
I don't think they exist.

For-profit companies are mode agnostic when it comes to freight - they just want their freight transported on time and for a decent price.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

What about customers wanting their freight on rail?
I don't think they exist.

For-profit companies are mode agnostic when it comes to freight - they just want their freight transported on time and for a decent price.
justapassenger
Yep.  Plane, train, truck, UFO or donkey cart -- we don't care how it gets there.  Just that it's on time, and as cheap as possible.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If you want proof Victoria wants trucks then look  to the delayed intermodal terminal at Ballarat which has federal funds. Look to delayed terminal at Gippsland requested for years.

Look to the delayed for 7 years it must be port shuttles and they are years away. This is all deliberate. It does not have 5 years with federal money to install a rail siding and signalling on a line in Ballarat.

I hear Mars is keen for rail but increasingly frustrated. Where are the rail companies pushing for this ?
Meanwhile Qube will load containers at the Maryvale paper mill instead of building a new intermodal terminal. Guess how many companies have take up this offer?

Close to NONE.

The terminal in Morwell never got built because no one with semi regular traffic was interested.
speedemon08
The Gippsland Intermodal Freight Terminal (Tramway Road) did operate from some time during the 90's (after Morwell Station yard closed for freight) to the mid 00's when business dwindled away leading to abandonment of what was Hazlewood Siding.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Government policy is making rail unworkable in Victoria and the number of reported A double trucks on the western highway must be alarming.
  kuldalai Chief Commissioner

Rail Freight in Victoria - hopeless Government is so biased towards  ROADS. The public wants more freight on REAL trains NOT  more freight  on Road Trains.

This week  Murray Valley Freight Plan  from Government -  NO a Murray Valley Road Freight Plan is what was dished up.

Meanwhile VLP lowers the line speed Shepparton to Tocumwal to 35 kmh account joint condition, instead of maintaining the freight only network PROPERLY as fit for purpose.

Where is our champion for Rail Freight in  Government  ?

Endless "spin" and claims of wanting to get more freight on rail -  but  very little to prove that

- like re-activating both Inglewood - Eaglehawk and   Toolamba -  Echuca

- a rail freight only network with riddled with speed restrictions and low operating speeds and axle loads

- continued failure by V/line to adopt a low maintaenance tarck freight network using gauge convertible steel sleepers (as in NSW)

- a general disinterest by V/Line in anything freight either in terms of track maintenance or facilitating freight train movements at all
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Rail Freight in Victoria - hopeless Government is so biased towards  ROADS. The public wants more freight on REAL trains NOT  more freight  on Road Trains.

This week  Murray Valley Freight Plan  from Government -  NO a Murray Valley Road Freight Plan is what was dished up.

Meanwhile VLP lowers the line speed Shepparton to Tocumwal to 35 kmh account joint condition, instead of maintaining the freight only network PROPERLY as fit for purpose.

Where is our champion for Rail Freight in  Government  ?

Endless "spin" and claims of wanting to get more freight on rail -  but  very little to prove that

- like re-activating both Inglewood - Eaglehawk and   Toolamba -  Echuca

- a rail freight only network with riddled with speed restrictions and low operating speeds and axle loads

- continued failure by V/line to adopt a low maintaenance tarck freight network using gauge convertible steel sleepers (as in NSW)

- a general disinterest by V/Line in anything freight either in terms of track maintenance or facilitating freight train movements at all
kuldalai
They're not even interested in rail.  Too keen to find extra toll road traffic for their stupid West Gate and NE link road tunnel boondoggles.

It's a failure at multiple levels.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Rail Freight in Victoria - hopeless Government is so biased towards  ROADS. The public wants more freight on REAL trains NOT  more freight  on Road Trains.

This week  Murray Valley Freight Plan  from Government -  NO a Murray Valley Road Freight Plan is what was dished up.

Meanwhile VLP lowers the line speed Shepparton to Tocumwal to 35 kmh account joint condition, instead of maintaining the freight only network PROPERLY as fit for purpose.

Where is our champion for Rail Freight in  Government  ?

Endless "spin" and claims of wanting to get more freight on rail -  but  very little to prove that

- like re-activating both Inglewood - Eaglehawk and   Toolamba -  Echuca

- a rail freight only network with riddled with speed restrictions and low operating speeds and axle loads

- continued failure by V/line to adopt a low maintenance track freight network using gauge convertible steel sleepers (as in NSW)

- a general disinterest by V/Line in anything freight either in terms of track maintenance or facilitating freight train movements at all
kuldalai
V/Line would have all freight lines as 115km/h with 23TAL if they had sufficient funding to do so.

Income from government was less in the 2019-20 financial year than 2017-18. Running more services with a smaller budget its obvious something has to give, and unfortunately if the choice comes down to fixing up a freight only line or maintaining a high frequency commuter line the commuter line will win every day of the week as that is where the votes are.

An internal document showed V/Line requested/required something along the lines of 1/3rd more money than the government provided to carry out what they wanted to do (maintenance + upgrades etc.), if that is not forthcoming then non-essential items like Toolamba - Echuca fall into disrepair.

From first hand conversations from everyone from track gangs to management, there's plenty of people in V/Line who want rail freight to be upgraded and be competitive but they can't do what they can't afford. I guess we'll just have to wait until someone in government starts giving a hoot about rail before something is done, i doubt i'll be around to see it though!
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Add up all the funding announcements/promises for rail projects on the freight network in the past 3 years vs. the actual amount spent/delivered, and I'll think you'll find a huge disparity.

Political spin has become more important, sadly. There seems to be a pattern of saying "we will spend $100 million on this line", and then a year later it gets spent elsewhere and announced via a glowing press release.
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
If the Vic govt is so broke how are they spending billions on roads the community does not really want ?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If the Vic govt is so broke how are they spending billions on roads the community does not really want ?
freightgate
They're not spending money on road maintenance, as they don't have the available funds.

Victoria Is headed for Third World Transport status.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
On a 16 km section of "C" category road around Donald, VicRoads can only spend money on 20 x 80 km/h signs in a 100 zone instead of actually fixing the road.  Has been like that for 6 months, don't expect any change for another 12 months.
  8502 Train Controller

And the users of freight services continue to cry out for rail support.  Why is the government not pouring billions into the rail freight networks to ensure productivity is good and goods can get around the country with lower emissions and higher certainty it makes no sense to me at least.

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/wheatbelt-communities-and-industry-vie-for-road-rail-and-port-money
  Upven Junior Train Controller

And the users of freight services continue to cry out for rail support.  Why is the government not pouring billions into the rail freight networks to ensure productivity is good and goods can get around the country with lower emissions and higher certainty it makes no sense to me at least.

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/wheatbelt-communities-and-industry-vie-for-road-rail-and-port-money
8502
The Premier in Victoria is very good friends with Lindsay Fox. Why would he want to disrupt that friendship?
  bevans Site Admin
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
And the users of freight services continue to cry out for rail support.  Why is the government not pouring billions into the rail freight networks to ensure productivity is good and goods can get around the country with lower emissions and higher certainty it makes no sense to me at least.

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/wheatbelt-communities-and-industry-vie-for-road-rail-and-port-money
The Premier in Victoria is very good friends with Lindsay Fox. Why would he want to disrupt that friendship?
Upven
Have you ever checked out the back of a PN intermodal train in the last few years? They make up a significant portion of the loading.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Junior Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
And the users of freight services continue to cry out for rail support.  Why is the government not pouring billions into the rail freight networks to ensure productivity is good and goods can get around the country with lower emissions and higher certainty it makes no sense to me at least.

https://Railpage.com.au/news/s/wheatbelt-communities-and-industry-vie-for-road-rail-and-port-money
The Premier in Victoria is very good friends with Lindsay Fox. Why would he want to disrupt that friendship?
Have you ever checked out the back of a PN intermodal train in the last few years? They make up a significant portion of the loading.
speedemon08
it seems Linfox only put their freight on rail where its cheapest, i.e. the interstate lines. Which makes perfect business sense. perhaps they'd put more freight on the rural lines if they were fit for purpose like the lines in QLD?

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