Is there space for an SG platform at a rebuilt sunshine station ?

Coming from the north east myself it has been inconvenient to not be able to get on or off at sunshine regardless of the airport line developments. Time for a letter to the ministers office ?

This is a bad idea. This would do nothing other then to create congestion on NE SG trains to/from sunshine because it will be a faster journey. It would be better to make the broadmeadows to airport connection better then to put a platform in for SG at Sunshine. The suburban rail loop is supposed to resolve your issue anyway.

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.

You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.

You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?

Agreed, too much expense for 5 trains per day. What I do not understand is if the SRL will not call at Sunshine, why is there a need to double the size of the station? Unless of course they are going to build to extra tracks for electrification of local services to Melton.


Michael

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.

My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.

My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.

What the SRL will be west of the Airport is anyone's guess (if it happens at all).

When the SRL was first announced, it was mooted for Airport-Sunshine before the MARL alignment was chosen (at the time it was looking likely that MARL would be the Maribyrnong tunnel)

Now that MARL will go Airport-Sunshine, there is no need for the SRL to do the same, opening up the door potentially for the SRL to keep going as a middle ring loop rather than doing a dog leg from Airport-Sunshine-Werribee (which would not really serve it's purpose like out east compared to say a Airport-Watergardens-Caroline Springs-Tarneit-Williams Landing-Point Cook)

Mostly logical.  Although much of it might need to go above ground given how difficult the geology is around there.

Why don't just build a dual gauge platform so sg trains can stop at vline platforms if they want to? It's not that expensive and doesn't matter even if there're only 5-6 trains per day.

You do realise you'd need to build a brand new SG flyover to access the V/Line platforms, right?

Agreed, too much expense for 5 trains per day. What I do not understand is if the SRL will not call at Sunshine, why is there a need to double the size of the station? Unless of course they are going to build to extra tracks for electrification of local services to Melton.


Michael

My understanding is that SRL will operate as three separate sections and MARL will eventually become part of the western section.

This is a bad idea. This would do nothing other then to create congestion on NE SG trains to/from sunshine because it will be a faster journey. It would be better to make the broadmeadows to airport connection better then to put a platform in for SG at Sunshine. The suburban rail loop is supposed to resolve your issue anyway.The SRL won't go via Sunshine, now that MARL has taken that path. By the time any decision is made on SRL west of the Airport, will be 2030 if not 2040.

SRL via Sunshine was an idea at the time, because MARL was to go via Maribyrnong. Not anymore.

That idea has long sense been buried. Its going to use a differing voltage (25kv/ac, compared to 1500dc everywhere else) and will most probably be a differing gauge sadly (you all know the one!)

Yes, Standard gauge. And 25kv AC.

Lots of cities have mixed gauges for metropolitan lines. I.e San Francisco.

Mostly logical.  Although much of it might need to go above ground given how difficult the geology is around there.

Some of it could go above ground if they made a rail reserve right now, however I suspect it would be mostly underground if built due to lack of foresight.

Yes, Standard gauge. And 25kv AC.

Lots of cities have mixed gauges for metropolitan lines. I.e San Francisco.

Can I suggest if this is SG and I hope it is then that network could be connected to the SG land based network for expansion of SG based services with OHW?  Just a dream or sensible?

San Francisco has more than SG running in the Bay area?

That idea has long sense been buried. Its going to use a differing voltage (25kv/ac, compared to 1500dc everywhere else) and will most probably be a differing gauge sadly (you all know the one!)

Is the suburban rail loop going to be standard gauge? Oh how this must hurt the dangerous one if this is true.......

Of course !

25 years ago when the opening of the shopping centre foreshadowed the complete buildin in-fill for miles around,
somebody should have had the foresight that an SRL would be built along @John.Z 's grand vision.

PS. The Airport/Watergardens/Carolyn Springs/Tarneit route is at least 10km of tunnel. Price tag another $10B+. Very little available above ground.

Of course !

25 years ago when the opening of the shopping centre foreshadowed the complete buildin in-fill for miles around,
somebody should have had the foresight that an SRL would be built along @John.Z 's grand vision.

PS. The Airport/Watergardens/Carolyn Springs/Tarneit route is at least 10km of tunnel. Price tag another $10B+. Very little available above ground.

I'm glad you need me to spell it out for you.

Who cares what the planning was 25 years ago? No one was planning to build a railway from Cheltenham to Box Hill then either, so we have to tunnel. Now that the SRL is a project, now we can start looking at places where we can start to reserve space for a rail corridor in the future if it continues west as a loop through the middle middle suburbs (which WG/CS/T will be in 25 years time).

If they want to tunnel it all, no problemo. Would be nice to somewhat think about it.

Look at all the space that we've set aside for freeways following the 1969 plan. The mordialloc freeway is being built on land set aside decades ago for this exact purpose. The Railways should do the same.