The corona virus COVID-19

 
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

On the other side of the coin. Victoria already has 820 deaths. If the UK and US measures had been adopted here, pro rata for size of population, the death toll would be around 50,000. Doing nothing at all, it would be anybody’s guess. That doesn’t take into account the strain on medical resources. Despite its advanced immunisation progress, the UK is still running at 40,000+ new cases a day.

Who knows were the balance lies.



EDIT: Should read 50,000 in Australia.

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  djf01 Chief Commissioner

On the other side of the coin. Victoria already has 820 deaths. If the UK and US measures had been adopted here, pro rata for size of population, the death toll would be around 50,000. Doing nothing at all, it would be anybody’s guess. That doesn’t take into account the strain on medical resources. Despite its advanced immunisation progress, the UK is still running at 40,000+ new cases a day.

Who knows were the balance lies.
kitchgp

The UK has just come out of a 4-5 month lockdown.  They've had 7 or 8 months of lockdowns overall IIRC.

There is no balance.  The choice is between eliminating CVOID, or perpetual lockdowns.
  Gayspie Deputy Commissioner

Location: Adelaide, SA
Bunnings is overrated, in my opinion, it is just a hardware store. Smile
  Divine3801 Station Master

The businesses across both states that are ceasing operations didn't have to be put in this situation, just like every other that is deciding to close up for good.

Victoria would never have had to deal with this had the NSW Government been responsible and made sure the drivers coming into contact with air crew were vaccinated first. The fact that this was not done, is a reflection to their deadly decision to arrogantly refuse to lockdown the 4 local government areas in direct proximity straight away, left that for 7 days AND NOW WE ARE HERE! AGAIN! and what is worse? IT'S NOW NSW AND VICTORIA AT THE SAME TIME!!!!

NSW is imposing a blanket shutdown of the construction industry, I will say this, I consider it heavy handed, but, but, but, we are dealing with Variant Delta, it's labour intensive work and very difficult to carry out with masks on. If they continue even with masks on, they run a high risk of contracting the contagion, bringing it back to their families then they are totally screwed. Yes it's outdoors and masks, were claimed, wont make a difference, but that was Alpha, this is Delta, do we want to have a go being guinea pigs to the theory?

After 2 deaths, suddenly the politicians are laying down the definition of essential onto the NSW citizens, absurd and offensive spinning everyday until the horror of their failure jolts them. The people there are being put through an experience of Delta so deep in the community, it will be a considerable number of weeks before they can hope to recover.

But the Government there had better not be impatient to open up so fast!

Victoria did this in the first wave,
opened up too quick,
cases fired up,
second wave,
Premier Andrews reluctant for lockdown 2,
left for over 7 days,
cases didn't come down,
no choice,
lockdown 2,
led to 800 deaths before we could gradually ease restrictions back to normal.

No lessons learnt from Victoria so far in NSW Government until too late, goofing off about the NYE containment with no lockdown, they better stick to it, unless your already radically accelerating to have the population vaccinated quickly.

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None of these business closures, including this one in Yarraville that appeared up on the abc along with so many others would have to close, and everyone who is severely affected, including financially and mentally. They are all the victims of the NSW Government arrogant and insensitive handling of the situation. They got it seeding through the removalists here, who DIDN'T WEAR MASKS and dropped the Delta bomb right inside Metropolitan Melbourne!!

Who should have been ensuring that the virus didn't breach national borders?
Who should have been enlisting the ADF to be administering, managing and supervising PURPOSE BUILT quarantine?
Maybe arranging a lot of army AUSMAT and defence personnel may cause operational issues in other defence matters, then keep that island north west operating well after the Wuhan outbreak and train up motivated civilian medical personnel to assist in managing it for the Army!!
Even with the North West Island logistically difficult, you have commonwealth land!

The Federal Government is directly responsible for leading to businesses closing down as a direct result of necessary lockdowns forced by the State Governments to stop the scenarios of Italy, US, UK, then India.

Look over at Queensland, NT, SA, and Western Australia. How many lockdowns have they had, how long did each go for? They have been very extreme and paranoid with their borders. Their businesses focused on local activity are just fine, thriving and economic activity is healthy.



This is a full video conference of Dr Omar Khorsid, these individuals are medical professionals and specialists in their field. He represents all medical staff epidemiologists, nurses, doctors etc.

It's very very critical we follow their wisdom and advice..

https://archive.org/details/ama-president-stream-3p.m.-16-7-2021



This just keeps going around and around, the virus is just marching about cutting death, debt, misery and despair into the country. We are all being led, managed and directed by bloody idiots and they keep hammering, sneering and stabbing at those in leadership positions who are taking vital and responsible approaches.

Since 2020, everyone in the medical field has been speaking out in alarm at the lack of capacity and pleading for the Federal Government to make sure it doesn't explode what has been done around the world.

These Federal politicians smashed the local economy, brought destruction to livelihoods, stunted education progress of many generations of young lives and wreaked a cycle of uncertainty and fear upon this nation.

Our Medical specialists and professionals everyday devoting their lives to the wellbeing of each individual life in this country are being kicked in the guts everyday by these self-proclaimed self-righteous obnoxious deceptive and disgusting morons as they try to save them from the danger the populace is being put in.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
The reality of another Covid lockdown for small business, the Victoria Hotel in Yarraville has called last drinks while many, many others face financial ruin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/hospitality-hit-again-by-covid-lockdown-bramleigh-weddings/100299956

Many businesses in Victoria are apparently still waiting to be paid the state government assistance from the last lock down a month after it ended even as there businesses are closed yet again

More of our fellow Australians thrown on the scrapheap
Pubs close and open all the time.
Yeah, who cares about someone losing their livelihood eh? Exactly the sort of response I expected here
And what gives you the impression that every business is, or should be permanent? If their margins were that thin to begin with, unable to carry through a poor year or two, they should have never been in business. The poor owner, padlocking the door then driving away in his AMG to his penthouse apartment.

When that particular pub is re-established down the track, I'll be quite happy to see you eat your words.
Wow, your lack of empathy / compassion for your fellow human is astounding

And generalise much?
BrentonGolding
OK, I withdraw the rhetoric about the wealth enjoyed by some business proprieters when times are good, only to see them whinge when times are bad. But you didn't answer my question.

Prove to me that that pub will NEVER open again, by anyone, and will NEVER employ people again.
  303gunner Junior Train Controller

Three removalists who allegedly travelled from Sydney to regional NSW despite testing positive for Covid-19 have been charged.
The men were among a group of four, aged 21, 27, 27 and 49, who travelled from West Hoxton to Figtree and later Molong, stopping in South Bowenfels and Orange along the way.
The men were apprehended by police on Speedy Street, Molong yesterday. They were escorted back to Sydney, where they remain in isolation.
freightgate
Police are taking a heavy approach to this. The 3 younger men had been previously tested and informed of their positive results and issued a 14 day Isolation Order, all BEFORE they decided to travel. Significantly, they weren't given Penalty Infringement Notices, they were issued Court Attendance notices.

Quote: "Breach of orders made under the Public Health Act 2010 is a criminal offence and attracts heavy penalties.
In the case of an individual, the maximum penalty is $11,000, or imprisonment for 6 months, or both and a further $5500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues.
The NSW Police may also issue on-the-spot fines to individuals of
  • $1000 for breach of a public health order
  • $200 for failure to comply with a direction to wear a mask.
In the case of any corporation, the maximum penalty is $55,000 and a further $27,500 penalty may apply for each day the offence continues."  

So, no $1000 fine for these blokes, they're going through the courts looking at $11,000/6 mths each for breach "14 day isolation order following positive test" and breach "Stay at home order for Sydney residents, not to leave Greater Sydney Area", and a Criminal Record. Better get a Laywer, Son, better get a real good one.

Also, noteworthy that as Covid-Positive offenders, Police did not elect to take them into custody to remand them to hear their case as quickly as possible. Custody could prove troublesome to other inmates in a remand centre.
  303gunner Junior Train Controller

On the other side of the coin. Victoria already has 820 deaths. If the UK and US measures had been adopted here, pro rata for size of population, the death toll would be around 50,000. Doing nothing at all, it would be anybody’s guess. That doesn’t take into account the strain on medical resources. Despite its advanced immunisation progress, the UK is still running at 40,000+ new cases a day.

Who knows were the balance lies.

The UK has just come out of a 4-5 month lockdown.  They've had 7 or 8 months of lockdowns overall IIRC.

There is no balance.  The choice is between eliminating CVOID, or perpetual lockdowns.
djf01
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-18/freedom-day-looms-in-england-despite-coronavirus-surge/100295326
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Victoria’s list of coronavirus exposure sites has grown to almost 220 overnight into Sunday, with the latest venues including the Cookie and Emerald Peacock bars in Melbourne’s CBD on the eve of the state’s lockdown, which began on Friday.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
NSW 105 new cases in the past 24 hours.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
The reality of another Covid lockdown for small business, the Victoria Hotel in Yarraville has called last drinks while many, many others face financial ruin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/hospitality-hit-again-by-covid-lockdown-bramleigh-weddings/100299956

Many businesses in Victoria are apparently still waiting to be paid the state government assistance from the last lock down a month after it ended even as there businesses are closed yet again

More of our fellow Australians thrown on the scrapheap
Pubs close and open all the time.
Yeah, who cares about someone losing their livelihood eh? Exactly the sort of response I expected here
And what gives you the impression that every business is, or should be permanent? If their margins were that thin to begin with, unable to carry through a poor year or two, they should have never been in business. The poor owner, padlocking the door then driving away in his AMG to his penthouse apartment.

When that particular pub is re-established down the track, I'll be quite happy to see you eat your words.
Wow, your lack of empathy / compassion for your fellow human is astounding

And generalise much?
OK, I withdraw the rhetoric about the wealth enjoyed by some business proprieters when times are good, only to see them whinge when times are bad. But you didn't answer my question.

Prove to me that that pub will NEVER open again, by anyone, and will NEVER employ people again.
DirtyBallast
I didn't answer your question because it has bugger all to do with anything that I have posted about


My posts in this thread yesterday were about people losing their livelihoods, in some cases their life saving through no fault of their own due to government imposed lockdowns but with low/no/inadequate support from government

The fact that someone else may or may not choose to open a pub or some other business at that site is irrelevant to the people who have lost their job, their business and possibly more
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
I didn't answer your question because it has bugger all to do with anything that I have posted about


My posts in this thread yesterday were about people losing their livelihoods, in some cases their life saving through no fault of their own due to government imposed lockdowns but with low/no/inadequate support from government

The fact that someone else may or may not choose to open a pub or some other business at that site is irrelevant to the people who have lost their job, their business and possibly more
BrentonGolding
OK, I know where you're coming from, but you're not helping anyone by just focusing on the negatives. The pandemic has created plenty of opportunities elsewhere, particularly in regional areas. As one door closes, another one opens etc.

The fact that you're not blaming lockdowns, but government imposed lockdowns, says plenty about your attitude. You obviously don't want the government to tell you or anyone else how to behave; the difference with me and all the others willing to do the right thing by our communities is that the government doesn't need to tell us how to behave, because we already do.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
OK, I know where you're coming from, but you're not helping anyone by just focusing on the negatives. The pandemic has created plenty of opportunities elsewhere, particularly in regional areas. As one door closes, another one opens etc.

The fact that you're not blaming lockdowns, but government imposed lockdowns, says plenty about your attitude. You obviously don't want the government to tell you or anyone else how to behave; the difference with me and all the others willing to do the right thing by our communities is that the government doesn't need to tell us how to behave, because we already do.
DirtyBallast
You don't know anything about me yet your think you do so you just put words into my mouth because it suits your narrative?

1/ Why the fark should I not be allowed to be negative about this thing, it is a bloody disaster not a trip to Disneyland. I am so sick of hearing the "everything will be alright brigade". For a lot of people including friends and customers of mine things will never be the same, why the hell should they or I have to be positive just because you want us to?

2/ My attitude? You know nothing about me and you just assume I hold beliefs that you want to ascribe to me. I have always followed the CHOs advice during Victoria's many lockdowns. I believe that this lockdown was necessary and that NSW should have gone harder sooner with the Delta outbreak

3/ I certainly DO believe that governments need to tell people how to behave, I have posted a few times recently about the lack of mask compliance and the lack of enforcement and that the main reason that we are in this position is because people choose to ignore the rules

What I also believe is that governments both Federal and State have let us down badly during this pandemic, they have done some good things but they have also done (or not done) some bad. And people who lose their businesses through absolutely no fault of their own should be compensated or even better supported through this crisis instead of just throwing those people on the scrapheap like some sort of collateral damage
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
OK, I know where you're coming from, but you're not helping anyone by just focusing on the negatives. The pandemic has created plenty of opportunities elsewhere, particularly in regional areas. As one door closes, another one opens etc.

The fact that you're not blaming lockdowns, but government imposed lockdowns, says plenty about your attitude. You obviously don't want the government to tell you or anyone else how to behave; the difference with me and all the others willing to do the right thing by our communities is that the government doesn't need to tell us how to behave, because we already do.
You don't know anything about me yet your think you do so you just put words into my mouth because it suits your narrative?

1/ Why the fark should I not be allowed to be negative about this thing, it is a bloody disaster not a trip to Disneyland. I am so sick of hearing the "everything will be alright brigade". For a lot of people including friends and customers of mine things will never be the same, why the hell should they or I have to be positive just because you want us to?

2/ My attitude? You know nothing about me and you just assume I hold beliefs that you want to ascribe to me. I have always followed the CHOs advice during Victoria's many lockdowns. I believe that this lockdown was necessary and that NSW should have gone harder sooner with the Delta outbreak

3/ I certainly DO believe that governments need to tell people how to behave, I have posted a few times recently about the lack of mask compliance and the lack of enforcement and that the main reason that we are in this position is because people choose to ignore the rules

What I also believe is that governments both Federal and State have let us down badly during this pandemic, they have done some good things but they have also done (or not done) some bad. And people who lose their businesses through absolutely no fault of their own should be compensated or even better supported through this crisis instead of just throwing those people on the scrapheap like some sort of collateral damage
BrentonGolding
What must be remembered here, is that before all of this broke out unemployment was at a staggering 4.9%, which is believe is quite good (my math's is crap), what's to say it won't bounce back again whenever this settles back down.

Also, many countries around the globe are suffering the same consequences as you are posting above, if not worse, we as a country have done quite well at managing the pandemic thank you very much.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
One wonders about "removalists". The three who originally brought the Delta strain into Victorian from Sydney have been less than forthcoming about their movements. Hearsay has it that they were delivering not just furniture, but other (ahem!) commodities as well, hence their reluctance to come clean about where they had been, and when.
Now another group of the same trade has headed to Molong with stops along the way. What were they actually doing?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
What must be remembered here, is that before all of this broke out unemployment was at a staggering 4.9%, which is believe is quite good (my math's is crap), what's to say it won't bounce back again whenever this settles back down.

Also, many countries around the globe are suffering the same consequences as you are posting above, if not worse, we as a country have done quite well at managing the pandemic thank you very much.
lsrailfan
Indeed, out own mini economic miracle it seems and one that confounded many an economist

I believe that the unemployment rate might have even dipped into the 3s at the end of June although it is expected to jump up a bit due to lockdowns in NSW and Vic

However as with many statistics the devil is in the detail. Job ads surveys and discussions with industry groups show large numbers of unfulfilled jobs due to a lack of available workers. This is mainly put down to many temporary visa holders having left the country and no new ones being allowed in

So our national 'Covid Safe Plan' may yet have a sting in the tail for our economy in terms of reduced output and this situation is unlikely to change while large numbers of Australian citizens remain unable to return home and the total number allowed in is so heavily restricted.

Watch that space
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
BG,

Take a pill. Yes, living through the pandemic is not great, but your emotive outbursts won't make a lick of difference. Please drop the reference to scrapheaps etc., you sound like don_dunstan. And acknowledge that businesses have always failed, many doors will re-open, and life will go on.

But if it makes you feel better, go ahead, be as negative as you like. The worst thing that could happen is that it defines you.
  Divine3801 Station Master

I didn't answer your question because it has bugger all to do with anything that I have posted about


My posts in this thread yesterday were about people losing their livelihoods, in some cases their life saving through no fault of their own due to government imposed lockdowns but with low/no/inadequate support from government

The fact that someone else may or may not choose to open a pub or some other business at that site is irrelevant to the people who have lost their job, their business and possibly more
OK, I know where you're coming from, but you're not helping anyone by just focusing on the negatives. The pandemic has created plenty of opportunities elsewhere, particularly in regional areas. As one door closes, another one opens etc.

The fact that you're not blaming lockdowns, but government imposed lockdowns, says plenty about your attitude. You obviously don't want the government to tell you or anyone else how to behave; the difference with me and all the others willing to do the right thing by our communities is that the government doesn't need to tell us how to behave, because we already do.
DirtyBallast

Even before the pandemic, businesses close and open due to circumstances and situations that are beyond their control. Factors would include a changing economic environment or even health reasons where they have developed a medical condition, retire and just like the State Government lockdowns, a natural disaster.

Why is it comparable to a natural disaster?
Because most, if not many aren't fully vaccinated
Is the business owner vaccinated?
If yes. What about the customers if he is allowed to keep open?
If he can keep open, then every business just like the Yarraville pub can keep open.

Factor having them all open, unvaccinated customers and Delta loose in the community.

With a very small number of people immunized what do you think will happen? We already have the answer from every country without asking their Governments.

If only, if only we can keep this pub open in the lockdown because they are going to close down, just like many other restaurants that have closed down as a result.
We can make an exception for this pub to be open, just be prepared for horrors of seeding COVID cases, patients, deaths and a catastrophe as a result. Then, the pub owners end up being marked by people statewide as the place that seeded death like the NSW Ruby Princess fiasco.

That's the conscience they will be forced to live with. It's sad and depressing, but not horrifying this path is taken. It's a burden to lose the pub, but it won't become a damning nightmare brought into reality as a result.


The State Governments jurisdiction ends at State Borders. They dont have the power to instruct the ADF, they can't force the Federal Government to do so, they can't seize commonwealth land and they are left in a dangerous situation where hotel quarantine leaks continue to be grave danger to all of us.

By closing the north western island quarantine center after Australia had safely returned all arrivals from Wuhan and arrogantly, foolishly refusing to reopen the facility or begin federal quarantine arrangements, they sowed a man made disaster and as pack of wolves are beating the State Governments as scapegoats for the measures they are taking to protect us.

The State Governments have no options, avoid lockdown, but no support from Federal Government to stop it coming through the airports into communities. What on earth are they going to do!? Let it run amok, let it cut vast death and destruction throughout the State? Burning bodies like India, desperately and hastily arranging mass graves with no time to identify and tag the name of those taken from this world? That even happened in the U.S.A

NSW is going to a step of shutting down non-urgent construction, construction workers are staying home for the next two weeks.

Blame the NSW Government figures that, allowed the unvaccinated driver to work, dug in on keeping businesses open, now NSW and Victorian people are forced to pay for their grave mistakes, everyone shuts down so hospitals are not in danger of overflowing COVID Patients!

Victoria is right on their heels to this hell if they keep trying everything to justify keeping it open like NSW did. The CHO Dr Chant is under incredible pressure, this is the nightmare she is has been desperately trying to prevent all along.

She cannot order ministers what to do, neither can she everyone of the populace to comply, her only avenue is to go on press conferences to plead to people desperately to hear her wisdom.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RBcHQxWnzk

From 5:50 onwards

Whilst the majority of those cases are still occurring in South Western Sydney, with 76 from South Western Sydney, most of these are occurring, 69 from the Fairfield Local Government Area.

But can I just stress this, we are seeing cases from across metropolitan Sydney.

We are seeing unlinked cases, so everytime you leave your house, it is critical to assume you are coming into contact in COVID. So can I ask everyone to reflect on their movements over the next fortnight, and make sure you do not come into contact with anyone ouside your household group. Now obviously your going to have to do those essential things like shopping, um, I want you to limit that shopping, do it as infrequently as you can, shop purposefully, have a list before you are going in there, wear a mask and put the mask on well before your going in there, so if your ever, um your now required to wear a masks in outdoor shopping malls, outdoor markets, outdoor places. So basically anytime your likely to come into any contact with someone outside your household group, you need to be wearing a mask indoor and out. It is an important reminder that we can transmit COVID and we want to prevent that occurring.

In terms of the area of concern for testing. Again, this highlights that the disease is not just in South Western Sydney, and it is important that no-one is complacent. So the areas of concern for testing are:

Fairfield
Bankstown
Liverpool
Lakemba
George's River
Bayside
Sutherland

Western Sydney generally, I really want to see a big rise in testing in Western Sydney particularly in:

Cumberland
Mt Druitt
Rooty Hill
Woolongong,

We've had a sewerage detection in Woolongong and there hasn't been a known case there.
And just to let you know a truck driver delivered pet food on the 13th 14th 15th and 16th to a depot in Parkes and Blayney, a pet food factory in Blayney.
We are just confirming the details, they will be released in an alert, but we are just alerting the community to that.
And that highlights the importance of the surveillance testing, because some of these results we had is picking up that early.
It also reminds businesses that when your going about your actions, make sure your doing deliveries in a contactless way. Again, every action that we can take to reduce interaction between individuals decreases any risk for COVID transmission.

Can I also dispel another myth, that covid is a mild disease, I think I have been saying this repeatedly, but I think we can't over emphasize that Covid can lead to illness and death, and it can cause deaths in young people, and you can pass on the infection if you dont have symptoms.

Just because your well doesn't mean you can't infect someone else, these are really important messages which guide the fact that, that's why we are asking households to stay together at this time. So there are currently 76 Covid cases admitted to hospital, with 18 people in intensive care, seven who require ventilation. Can I just acknowledge that EiD (I think it means an Arabic Eid Ul Aha Islamic observance religious festival)
starts on Tuesday, 20th July and I know that is a very special time for many in our community. I just want to reiterate that we are asking that prayers be only performed in your house. And please again, do not have visitors to your home including family members and do not visit others. I am sure there will be a range of technology deployed to allow you to celebrate this most important time. But we do ask for you to ensure you comply with the requirements to keep us, your loved ones and us safe.
Dr. Kerry Chant, 7 News Live


4 people have now been lost in their desperate attempts to recover from COVID. It's a terrifying reality check for everyone there.

Victoria can open up again, but we will end up where NSW is right now. In fact, we will crash down to their level at the same time.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
BG,

Take a pill. Yes, living through the pandemic is not great, but your emotive outbursts won't make a lick of difference. Please drop the reference to scrapheaps etc., you sound like don_dunstan. And acknowledge that businesses have always failed, many doors will re-open, and life will go on.

But if it makes you feel better, go ahead, be as negative as you like. The worst thing that could happen is that it defines you.
DirtyBallast
Bit of a case of 'I can't see it so it's not happening'. Right, Dirty Ballast?
  ANR Chief Commissioner

While there is a lot of talk, too much talk about lock downs, nobody is addressing why we are in this situation. Even while locked down, the biggest problem is the quarantine process.

The existing quarantine is not fit for purpose. We will keep having outbreaks, breaches, people not following the rules, and we will keep coming back to square one again and again. Lock down.

Time for change. Why are we not addressing this?
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
Some stats on the ABC saying that Australia has passed ten million vaccine doses, at this current rate, it is predicted to have every adult in the country fully vaccinated by Feb 2022, but that will drop off big time at some point one would suggest.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
The reality of another Covid lockdown for small business, the Victoria Hotel in Yarraville has called last drinks while many, many others face financial ruin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-17/hospitality-hit-again-by-covid-lockdown-bramleigh-weddings/100299956

Many businesses in Victoria are apparently still waiting to be paid the state government assistance from the last lock down a month after it ended even as there businesses are closed yet again

More of our fellow Australians thrown on the scrapheap
Pubs close and open all the time.
Yeah, who cares about someone losing their livelihood eh? Exactly the sort of response I expected here
And what gives you the impression that every business is, or should be permanent? If their margins were that thin to begin with, unable to carry through a poor year or two, they should have never been in business. The poor owner, padlocking the door then driving away in his AMG to his penthouse apartment.

When that particular pub is re-established down the track, I'll be quite happy to see you eat your words.
DirtyBallast
Being a local from the area, there is another pub 500m down the road that is doing quite well despite the lockdowns. The Victoria Hotel has never been the busiest pub since they tried to make it more upmarket a few years back....
  lsrailfan Chief Commissioner

Location: Somewhere you're not
All this crap about "living with the virus" is just that, crap, as @djf01 put it a couple of pages back, you cannot live with Coronavirus, living with it would mean overrun hospitals, dozens and dozens filling up ICU Units, and many many more on ventilators, no one wants to see that, don't even talk about what the long term health effects would be, these have been well and truly documented in the past, unfortunately, the best approach to handling it is what this country is doing at the moment, many on here will disagree with this approach, that's o.k, they are entitled to their view point.

On another note, I note that tomorrow will be so called "freedom day" in England,  whatever that means, their Health Minister has contracted Covid as well, it won't be freedom day for them I can tell you, they are far from out of the woods on this one.
  djf01 Chief Commissioner

All this crap about "living with the virus" is just that, crap, as @djf01 put it a couple of pages back, you cannot live with Coronavirus, living with it would mean overrun hospitals, dozens and dozens filling up ICU Units, and many many more on ventilators, no one wants to see that, don't even talk about what the long term health effects would be, these have been well and truly documented in the past, unfortunately, the best approach to handling it is what this country is doing at the moment, many on here will disagree with this approach, that's o.k, they are entitled to their view point.
lsrailfan

AND ... you end up in lockdown anyway (just for longer).
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
The federal Coalition has slumped to its lowest electoral position this term amid Covid lockdowns in two states and growing community frustration over the vaccine rollout, with voters losing confidence in Scott Morrison’s management of the pandemic.

A Newspoll conducted exclusively for The Australian shows popular support for the Coalition and Labor now deadlocked at 39 per cent respectively as the Prime Minister’s net approval rating slid to its lowest level since the 2019-20 summer bushfire crisis.

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