Have Your Say on Lower Hunter Freight Corridor

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 17 Jul 2021 11:04
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Freely admitting that I know nothing of the traffics and geological features etc of the area but I must ask is any expenditure/improvement along the lines proposed going to be adversely affected or invalidated by Inland Rail when (and if) it is ever completed.
No, because there will still be traffic to/from this area to Sydney. This is not about competing against inland rail but to clean up the broadmeadow / adamstown area to reduce level crossing delays. It will benefit passenger rail as much as it will freight rail.

There is much more rail traffic around newcastle then there is BM or SB traffic.
simstrain
Thanks Simstrain.

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  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Is this the biggest problem the nsw govt should be solving for rail ?
Fixing a bunch of small problems will have just as much an impact as one big thing.

THe SB/BS corridor is going to need more of these things to restore its competitiy...
james.au
Another new word (competity) to add to my dictionary.  But will it replace competitiveness?  Wait and see......

And what is a SB/BS corridor?  SouthBound or smeg or something else?

Happy wordsmithing and acronyming,

John
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Building a line through a swamp is probably less than ideal for a wide range of reasons if there is a decent alternative.  Cost of construction, disaster recovery, just to name two.
They wouldn't be building it from new. The railway is on a raised embankment that carried the double track private Coal Railway from Minmi and Richmond Main Collieries to Hexham from 1857 to 1987. The embankment is still complete and intact for the whole length. Even has remnants of track in places.

Flood free: https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/2805972/minmis-hidden-lifeline/
The problem with using the old J&A Brown line is that the connection to the main line at Hexham might interfere with the"Proposed F3 Extension to Raymond Terrace" which crosses the present line just north of the Oak factory and joins the existing Pacific Highway just north of the present bridges. I assume that a flyover would be required from the main lines to the new link to avoid disruption of the coal traffic. this road link appears on map 97 of the 2008 UBD Citylink Directory, Newcastle section.

Peter
M636C
I assume there will be a requirement to provide a triangular flyover junction where the new route meets the existing route at or near Hexham.  This would provide a faster bypass for traffic from Sydney to Melbourne heading to the Port of Newcastle and Port Waratah/Kooragang Island.

Happy routing,

John
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Is this the biggest problem the nsw govt should be solving for rail ?
Fixing a bunch of small problems will have just as much an impact as one big thing.

THe SB/BS corridor is going to need more of these things to restore its competitiy...
Another new word (competity) to add to my dictionary.  But will it replace competitiveness?  Wait and see......

And what is a SB/BS corridor?  SouthBound or smeg or something else?

Happy wordsmithing and acronyming,

John
c3526blue
SB = Sydney - Brisbane
BS = Brisbane - Sydney
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

BM = Brisbane - Melbourne traffic.
  c3526blue Deputy Commissioner

Location: in the cuckoos nest
Thanks fellas,

I knew the SB/BS acronym.  Just having a shot at peoples lazy use of obscure acronyms instead of a proper description.

The BullSh1t interpretation got amended by our PC brigade.

Happy travelling,

John
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
There were discussions about this bypass some time ago in I think an Inland Rail thread .
In an ideal world this bypass would continue up to Dungog . That way all traffic on the Brisbane Sydney corridor could avoid inter urban services right down to Fassifern .
Not very likely to happen because the expensive single line show pony gets all the limelight and funding .
  simstrain Chief Commissioner

There were discussions about this bypass some time ago in I think an Inland Rail thread .
In an ideal world this bypass would continue up to Dungog . That way all traffic on the Brisbane Sydney corridor could avoid inter urban services right down to Fassifern .
Not very likely to happen because the expensive single line show pony gets all the limelight and funding .
BDA

I do like that idea of running through to Dungog. That could cut a lot of time out of the north south journey.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
A significant number of hours .

This Fassi Hexham link will improve transit times , if done properly , no question about that .
Getting freighters off the current route through "Newcastle" is very significant for electric passenger services so the political will shouldn't be hard to find .

As for extending from the Hexham area to Dungog , that saves lots of time for anything going to/from the north coast railway .
Food for thought , does the X really need to go through Broadmeadow and Maitland .
Would the public be interested in direct inter urban services to Dungog . Would it be hard to have connecting services from the current lower NCR route .

Something else to think about .
Would NSW Train Link be prepared to pay full costs to maintain the line from Telarah to Dungog if other operators had an alternative route ...
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
There were discussions about this bypass some time ago in I think an Inland Rail thread .
In an ideal world this bypass would continue up to Dungog . That way all traffic on the Brisbane Sydney corridor could avoid inter urban services right down to Fassifern .
Not very likely to happen because the expensive single line show pony gets all the limelight and funding .

I do like that idea of running through to Dungog. That could cut a lot of time out of the north south journey.
simstrain
A deviation was once planed from Hexam to Stroud Road, as of the cost ?
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
This is a great idea but wouldn't it be better if the proposed corridor was to link between Fassifern and Kurri Kurri or Cessnock? This would allow passenger services to operate between Maitland and Fassifern via Kurri Kurri or Cessnock it would help out the community who needs a train service on the not much used South Maitland Railway corridor

I did submit my suggestions to Transport NSW in regards to this idea already, not sure if they would take it into consideration! But it doesn't hurt to have my opinion either
cityrail-rulez
To add to other comments, Cessnock/Kurri Kurri would see more traffic going to Maitland and Newcastle I suspect.  More chance of doing up the SMR for commuter service than seeing this line go via those towns.

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