Loud trains: turn this track down

 

News article: Loud trains: turn this track down

Do you live near a train line - does the noise fill you with joy or keep you up at night?

  8502 Chief Train Controller

The horns on the network now are way to loud especially in the early morning and the evenings.

comeng has the right level of horn and the right type.

Loud trains: turn this track down

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  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Oh dear, how sad, too bad, never mind. .............

The Peoples Republic of Moreland, perhaps?
  ADB Junior Train Controller

Oh dear, how sad, too bad, never mind. .............

The Peoples Republic of Moreland, perhaps?
YM-Mundrabilla

Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

I don't mind swapping houses with her.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.
ADB

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
  hbedriver Assistant Commissioner

They must live near one of the few remaining level crossings in Melbourne. Poor choice of location there, still maybe they will be in the next tranche of Skyrail. At which time they will grumble about the construction noise...or the trains no longer tooting...or...
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Brunswick resident Carol Drew is hearing train horns throughout the noise.
ABC
Huh?

This reminds me of the situation during the 1970s & 1980s in Brisbane when people bought up cheap land/housing around the suburb of Murrarie then they continually complained about the smells from the surrounding industries (meatworks, bacon factories, tannery) that had been there forever. This ultimately resulted in all these industries closing down. What a crock...
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Oh FFS.

If you don't want the sound of the railway to keep you up at night, don't move in near a railway line. I bet the same residents moaning about the noise moved in because it was close to public transport. Also, if the line was closed, what's the bet they would be the first to complain about the negative effect on property values?

I bet she won't wear a mask too.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
Valvegear
Perhaps she should move.
Wonder if drivers see a particular danger thus, requiring a bit extra horn?Laughing
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Another classic was a guy who bought a house in Miller Street Fitzroy North. This street runs from St Georges Road to Nicholson Street (both main roads). Miller Street already had measures in place to keep speeds down but notwithstanding, Mr. Newbie wrote to the Council requesting that street be changed so that it was no longer a through road. It obviously became public knowledge and Newbie's ear must have been blistered, and his mail system overloaded to breaking point. The impertinence of people like him and this woman in Brunswick amazes me.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
Perhaps she should move.
Wonder if drivers see a particular danger thus, requiring a bit extra horn?Laughing
michaelgm
Tip for young players....The absolute worst thing you can do if you move next to a railway line, is complain to PN/ARG/CityRail about the horns. It will get back to the Driver's and you'll wish you had bought a house beside the freeway instead...

Working out of Sydney many moons ago we got a note about...limiting....the use of the horn near Marangaroo tunnel. Apparently we were waking the 'guests' in the correctional facility there in the wee hours of the night. Forever after we always saw a lot of wildlife on that particular section. Dunno why...

The other one that I can recall is the muppet that bought the nice old sandstone house near Lochinvar station - back when it had a level crossing beside it - and started complaining about the horns. Then PN introduced the 92 Class, and they have a mode selector for the horn. You can choose #1 end. #2 end. or Both. Twisted Evil  
  ADB Junior Train Controller

Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
Valvegear

As silly a comment as "Oh dear, so sad, too bad"?

As for "don't go and live near the line", it may have escaped the attention of a few boomer gunzels on here, but good housing has become unaffordable for large numbers of people living in Melbourne. I'm sure a lot of people buying land or housing squeezed up alongside rail tracks would love to have bought elsewhere, but line-side was the best they could afford. A bit of empathy is in order, and instead we get "Diddums" and ridiculous comparisons to Brisbane in the 1970s.

Furthermore, suburban train horns are more piercing than they used to be, so how do you know train noise pollution hasn't got worse for residents since they moved in? I live near a railway line (though not right next to one) and the horns don't bother me. I've grown up with train noise, and just screen it out. But a guy down the street has mentioned that train horns do wake him up at times - particularly when it's some dickhead train driver with an attitude of "If I have to be awake at 5AM, so does everyone else" leaning on the horn unnecessarily. (Edit: and I see "KR Aviator" has chipped in to provide an example of exactly the dickhead attitude I'm talking about).  

I visit Railpage, so I'm obviously a bit of a gunzel, but the comments on here suggest some Railpagers need to realise that (gasp!) there is a world beyond their beloved trains.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Perhaps she should move.
Wonder if drivers see a particular danger thus, requiring a bit extra horn?Laughing
Tip for young players....The absolute worst thing you can do if you move next to a railway line, is complain to PN/ARG/CityRail about the horns. It will get back to the Driver's and you'll wish you had bought a house beside the freeway instead...

Working out of Sydney many moons ago we got a note about...limiting....the use of the horn near Marangaroo tunnel. Apparently we were waking the 'guests' in the correctional facility there in the wee hours of the night. Forever after we always saw a lot of wildlife on that particular section. Dunno why...

The other one that I can recall is the muppet that bought the nice old sandstone house near Lochinvar station - back when it had a level crossing beside it - and started complaining about the horns. Then PN introduced the 92 Class, and they have a mode selector for the horn. You can choose #1 end. #2 end. or Both. Twisted Evil  
KRviator
'... Tip for young players....The absolute worst thing you can do if you move next to a railway line, is complain to PN/ARG/CityRail about the horns. It will get back to the Driver's and you'll wish you had bought a house beside the freeway instead... '

Absolutely true!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.

As silly a comment as "Oh dear, so sad, too bad"?

As for "don't go and live near the line", it may have escaped the attention of a few boomer gunzels on here, but good housing has become unaffordable for large numbers of people living in Melbourne. I'm sure a lot of people buying land or housing squeezed up alongside rail tracks would love to have bought elsewhere, but line-side was the best they could afford. A bit of empathy is in order, and instead we get "Diddums" and ridiculous comparisons to Brisbane in the 1970s.

Furthermore, suburban train horns are more piercing than they used to be, so how do you know train noise pollution hasn't got worse for residents since they moved in? I live near a railway line (though not right next to one) and the horns don't bother me. I've grown up with train noise, and just screen it out. But a guy down the street has mentioned that train horns do wake him up at times - particularly when it's some dickhead train driver with an attitude of "If I have to be awake at 5AM, so does everyone else" leaning on the horn unnecessarily. (Edit: and I see "KR Aviator" has chipped in to provide an example of exactly the dickhead attitude I'm talking about).  

I visit Railpage, so I'm obviously a bit of a gunzel, but the comments on here suggest some Railpagers need to realise that (gasp!) there is a world beyond their beloved trains.
ADB
Median house price in Brunswick is around $1.2 million. Hardly cheap. I doubt that there would have been 'land' for purchase in Brunswick along the Upfield line for the best part of 100 years.

Don't blame the drivers; blame the nanny state. If there is a whistle board blow the whistle or the neighbour of the current complainant may complain that warnings are not given.

Drivers should be allowed discretion but I doubt that the nanny state would allow it.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
(Edit: and I see "KR Aviator" has chipped in to provide an example of exactly the dickhead attitude I'm talking about).
ADB

KRviator....KRviator...There's no "A".Sad


You move next to an active railway line and then feel the need to complain about existing operations, you're fair game so far as I'm concerned. We aren't the issue - you are. You moved there, and you're the one complaining.

What we as Driver's take exception to is having worked safely the same way for years/decades and having been expected to provide a service and then being criticized for the manner in which it is provided by some upstart who thinks the world should change to suit them.

We recently brought a house backing on to an airport - we share about 200m of fencing on two boundaries - and from where I sit typing this, a good cricketer could probably lob a ball onto the runway. We brought here knowing there's an airport beside us, knowing it has lights for use at night, knowing it is used for flight training, knowing flight traffic here will probably increase 50-fold in a bad fire season and knowing there's a bunch of crop-dusters & warbirds based here that make a hell of a racket.

Do we care? Nope. The kids think it's great. They have room to run around & kick the footy. We can push our plane out of the shed and go flying wherever we want, whenever we want - but the price to pay for that convenience and space is other aircraft noise. But it is a choice we made. Voluntarily.

You choose to live near a railway line for cheap housing, a quick commute or because your parents left it to you and you don't want to sell it, that's on you. Not the crew you're complaining about.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

(Edit: and I see "KR Aviator" has chipped in to provide an example of exactly the dickhead attitude I'm talking about).

KRviator....KRviator...There's no "A".Sad


You move next to an active railway line and then feel the need to complain about existing operations, you're fair game so far as I'm concerned. We aren't the issue - you are. You moved there, and you're the one complaining.

What we as Driver's take exception to is having worked safely the same way for years/decades and having been expected to provide a service and then being criticized for the manner in which it is provided by some upstart who thinks the world should change to suit them.

We recently brought a house backing on to an airport - we share about 200m of fencing on two boundaries - and from where I sit typing this, a good cricketer could probably lob a ball onto the runway. We brought here knowing there's an airport beside us, knowing it has lights for use at night, knowing it is used for flight training, knowing flight traffic here will probably increase 50-fold in a bad fire season and knowing there's a bunch of crop-dusters & warbirds based here that make a hell of a racket.

Do we care? Nope. The kids think it's great. They have room to run around & kick the footy. We can push our plane out of the shed and go flying wherever we want, whenever we want - but the price to pay for that convenience and space is other aircraft noise. But it is a choice we made. Voluntarily.

You choose to live near a railway line for cheap housing, a quick commute or because your parents left it to you and you don't want to sell it, that's on you. Not the crew you're complaining about.
KRviator
The whole episode is hilarious, agitation, it’s loose, loose.
When you’re locked in a phone box with a gorilla, don’t poke it the eye.
Sleep well.
  ADB Junior Train Controller

KRviator: sorry about getting your name wrong.

"You move next to an active railway line and then feel the need to complain about existing operations, you're fair game so far as I'm concerned."

Fair enough, but the OP was saying that the horns are now louder than they used to be, so the operations have changed in a sense. That doesn't mean that anything can be done about it, but the complaint is not groundless.

"You choose to live near a railway line for cheap housing, ...... that's on you. Not the crew you're complaining about."

People "choosing" cheaper housing near a railway line to give them a greater chance of paying off the mortgage isn't quite the same as buying near the airport so you can fly your own private aircraft when convenient, I'd wager. And if they (politely) complain about the noise once they have moved in and actually LIVED in the property day and night, there's no need for train drivers to take it as some sort of personal affront and start blowing the horn more than usual. Particularly near correctional facilities which are already very, very stressed environments. That would be a really smeg thing to do, IMO.

Michaelgm: "The whole episode is hilarious, agitation, it’s loose, loose."

It's "lose". As in "Lose the 'o' ". You're welcome.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
ADB, you can waffle on all you like about why people live near railways, sewage farms or even next door to you.

You continue to ignore the basic fact - the railway/sewage farm was already there.
It's not going away; learn to live with it or move, but don't whinge. Got it?

P.S. Your little snipe about "their beloved trains" did nothing to enhance your reputation as a debater.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Can we also just acknowledge one thing, train horns have not got louder. That is just BS. The same trains with the same horns have been operating in suburban Melbourne for the past 20 years.
  jakar Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
particularly when it's some dickhead train driver with an attitude of "If I have to be awake at 5AM, so does everyone else" leaning on the horn unnecessarily.
ADB
The rules regarding whistles don't change depending on the time of day. I couldn't care less what time of the day it is, my duty is to comply with the instructions set out in the rule book which state -

The sound of the whistle should be distinct, with intensity, duration or repetition
appropriate to the distance at which the warning is required to be heard.

Even if you're in bed at 5AM there are still plenty of people out and about and if I happen to hit one of them I need to justify my actions to the coroner. Telling him/her that I only gave a quick whistle or not at all because I didn't want to wake anyone up is not going to end well.

Carol from Brunswick should be thankful she doesn't live over in the states where drivers are required to give two long, one short, and another long whistle at level crossings. At the end of the day if you choose to live near a railway expect to hear trains whistle as per the rule book.
  Richard stroker Train Controller

Does Carol from Brunswick have hairy armpits and hugs trees , or does she use trains as a means of transport?

As for affordable housing as mentioned ,  it is in the back blocks of nowhere.having close access to a train station adds value to a property . I bet she is a selective environmentalist , that wants to get rid of cars because of pollution but can't have noisey trains .
Carol needs to suck it up
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
Valvegear
Same attitude as the people who move into the inner city for the vibe and then complain about the noise from band venues, people in their street late at night, weekend traffic, lack of on street parking etc etc etc

A story that has been repeated right across the nation from Melbourne's Fitzroy to Adelaide CBD, inner city Sydney and Fortitude Valley in Qld and many other places around the country
  GoldenGirl Junior Train Controller

Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
Same attitude as the people who move into the inner city for the vibe and then complain about the noise from band venues, people in their street late at night, weekend traffic, lack of on street parking etc etc etc

A story that has been repeated right across the nation from Melbourne's Fitzroy to Adelaide CBD, inner city Sydney and Fortitude Valley in Qld and many other places around the country
BrentonGolding
Not unlike the people who built their homes at the end of the Essendon Airport's runway 08, off Matthews Road, and then campaigned to have the airport closed because aircraft approached the field over their houses. Essendon opened in 1921, the first of those houses appeared in the early 60s.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Here's hoping a steel mill or nightclub opens up next to your home, so you can enjoy the thrills of constant noise pollution.

A very silly and completely irrelevant comment. The railway has been there for decades before this person came to live there, and then wanted things changed to suit her. If it started up after she was established there she'd have a good case; as it is, she doesn't.
If you don't like the sound of trains, don't go and live near the line - simples.
Same attitude as the people who move into the inner city for the vibe and then complain about the noise from band venues, people in their street late at night, weekend traffic, lack of on street parking etc etc etc

A story that has been repeated right across the nation from Melbourne's Fitzroy to Adelaide CBD, inner city Sydney and Fortitude Valley in Qld and many other places around the country
Not unlike the people who built their homes at the end of the Essendon Airport's runway 08, off Matthews Road, and then campaigned to have the airport closed because aircraft approached the field over their houses. Essendon opened in 1921, the first of those houses appeared in the early 60s.
GoldenGirl
Absolutely.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The horns on the network now are way to loud especially in the early morning and the evenings.

comeng has the right level of horn and the right type.

Loud trains: turn this track down
8502
In this day and age horns and other audible warning devices should have the smarts to send out a noise X amount in decibles above back ground levels so they have same effectiveness at 2am as they do at 2pm, but without waking up the entire town at 2am.

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