Comeng train(s) being stored at Tottenham Yard

 
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Southern Shorthaul Railroad transferred sets 320M-1107T-321M and 363M-1032T-364M to Tottenham Yard overnight.

Why are these trains being stored in Tottenham lack of available space in other locations?

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  Dangersdan707 Chief Commissioner

Location: On a Thing with Internet
Southern Shorthaul Railroad transferred sets 320M-1107T-321M and 363M-1032T-364M to Tottenham Yard overnight.

Why are these trains being stored in Tottenham lack of available space in other locations?
8502
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Found this on twitter

  8502 Assistant Commissioner

It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.
Dangersdan707

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
8502
Funnily enough the high capacity trains are starting to come into regular service displacing the unrefurbed comengs
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
No more Australian made trains on Melbourne's tracks soon - everything foreign-made like our cars.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
Funnily enough the high capacity trains are starting to come into regular service displacing the unrefurbed comengs
speedemon08
And the refurbished Comengs and the Siemens Trains will be moved to the Craigieburn, Sunbury and Upfield lines till 2025 when the Sunbury line will be served by the HCMT's. No need to hang on to Old Comengs.

Michael
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
No more Australian made trains on Melbourne's tracks soon - everything foreign-made like our cars.
don_dunstan
Right, like the German made Siemens, imported from Poland and assembled together here Xtraps and the Downer/CRRC contractually obligated to build/assemble more than half the percentage of them here unlike NSW's new trains HCMT's.

Probably because it wouldnt take them 20 years to build 65 x 10 car trainsets.
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
Funnily enough the high capacity trains are starting to come into regular service displacing the unrefurbed comengs
And the refurbished Comengs and the Siemens Trains will be moved to the Craigieburn, Sunbury and Upfield lines till 2025 when the Sunbury line will be served by the HCMT's. No need to hang on to Old Comengs.

Michael
mejhammers1
How does one distinguish between a refurbed and an unrefurbed Comeng? All Comengs look the more or less the same to me.
Does the colour of the handrails constitute a refurbishment?
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
Is there any possible market for them second-hand, they're still fully air-conditioned relatively modern suburban trains -
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'... fully air-conditioned ... '
Only with the doors open - you jest, of course.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Location: Sunbury, Vic
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
Funnily enough the high capacity trains are starting to come into regular service displacing the unrefurbed comengs
And the refurbished Comengs and the Siemens Trains will be moved to the Craigieburn, Sunbury and Upfield lines till 2025 when the Sunbury line will be served by the HCMT's. No need to hang on to Old Comengs.

Michael
How does one distinguish between a refurbed and an unrefurbed Comeng? All Comengs look the more or less the same to me.
Does the colour of the handrails constitute a refurbishment?
YM-Mundrabilla
Fully refurbed Comengs have the new internal PIDS. These ones will be on the network the longest.

Then you have part refurbed, new bright white lighting and new seats in the PTV fabric.

Lastly the first to go have only received the Yellow cab surround and new LED marker lights.

Its costing Metro more to keep some of these older sets running. Scraping them will also free up spare parts for the sets to remain in service.

Lockie
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
It's the beginning of the end for the Comeng's. Part of the withdrawal plans and being moved elsewhere for dismantling.

Aren't the trains still packed on most western lines placing these into storage might be a much better idea.
Funnily enough the high capacity trains are starting to come into regular service displacing the unrefurbed comengs
And the refurbished Comengs and the Siemens Trains will be moved to the Craigieburn, Sunbury and Upfield lines till 2025 when the Sunbury line will be served by the HCMT's. No need to hang on to Old Comengs.

Michael
How does one distinguish between a refurbed and an unrefurbed Comeng? All Comengs look the more or less the same to me.
Does the colour of the handrails constitute a refurbishment?
Fully refurbed Comengs have the new internal PIDS. These ones will be on the network the longest.

Then you have part refurbed, new bright white lighting and new seats in the PTV fabric.

Lastly the first to go have only received the Yellow cab surround and new LED marker lights.

Its costing Metro more to keep some of these older sets running. Scraping them will also free up spare parts for the sets to remain in service.

Lockie
Lockie91
Thanks Lockie.
I will take more notice next time! Smile
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??
How does one distinguish between a refurbed and an unrefurbed Comeng? All Comengs look the more or less the same to me.
Does the colour of the handrails constitute a refurbishment?
Fully refurbed Comengs have the new internal PIDS. These ones will be on the network the longest.

Then you have part refurbed, new bright white lighting and new seats in the PTV fabric.

Lastly the first to go have only received the Yellow cab surround and new LED marker lights.

Its costing Metro more to keep some of these older sets running. Scraping them will also free up spare parts for the sets to remain in service.

Lockie
Lockie91
Plus, the old ones are heavier, and still using tread brakes. Now that is old!!!
https://vicsig.net/suburban/train/Comeng
  GoldenGirl Junior Train Controller

Is there any possible market for them second-hand, they're still fully air-conditioned relatively modern suburban trains -
don_dunstan
You could always put roof-racks on them to increase passenger capacity, then sell them to India. Laughing
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

If more overhead were available these could be used for trial services on some lines.
  Heihachi_73 Chief Commissioner

Location: Terminating at Ringwood
Plus, the old ones are heavier, and still using tread brakes. Now that is old!!!
justarider
Actually, the tread brake and disc brake Comengs were built simultaneously for the most part. Disc brake carriages came out in the 400 region but were given higher numbers to differentiate them (just like how chopper sets got put into the 690s) e.g. 563M is a lot older than 553M. Unfortunately, the body shell numbers and build dates aren't shown on VicSig or the like so there isn't a reliable way to tell how old they are, as only the in-service date exists. You can however tell the newer Comengs by the fact they have wider and squarer hand grabs/pockets at the bottom of the doors as opposed to oval-shaped.
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud
I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
While at work today, I did drive along the northern boundary of Tottenham Yard. While most of the stored Comeng in question was obscured by a stabled SSR Grain rake, from what I could see, most of, if not the entire train has already succumbed to the graffiti vandals.

Didn't take long.
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
don_dunstan
Or that the rail network has moved on and there is no place for a train type that is 40 years old, with its old traction equipment.

Victoria has enough old trains on its metals. Time for them to go.


Michael
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
Or that the rail network has moved on and there is no place for a train type that is 40 years old.

Victoria has enough old trains on its metals. Time for them to go.


Michael
mejhammers1
Do we not continue to build 30 odd year old design Vlocities?
  mejhammers1 Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
Or that the rail network has moved on and there is no place for a train type that is 40 years old.

Victoria has enough old trains on its metals. Time for them to go.


Michael
Do we not continue to build 30 odd year old design Vlocities?
YM-Mundrabilla
True, although the newest Vlocities are barely a year old. The same can be said for those cheap and very basic Xtraps. Just shows how way behind Victoria's railways are. Building new trains with a design from the 1990's, when funnily enough, Perth are going to retire their A Series Trains designed in the 1990's, when the C Series come on stream in 2023.


Michael
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I recall that last time there were passenger rolling stock scrapping the network was left short.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
don_dunstan
The entire electrical system would have required replacement. No point putting regen capable bogies on if there's no way of returning it to the overhead, no way of controlling the system, no way of running all the onboard systems not currently equipped to run in conjunction with regen.

You're talking about complete replacement of all the high value components of the train, that is to say spending the majority of the cost of a new train.

Scrapping them will see just as much of the high value stuff thrown away, plus the steel bodies can be melted down and recycled for future use.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I did read a while back that an idea for extending their lives was entirely new bogies with efficient regenerative braking, mustn't have been economical for some reason - it would be a shame if these basically sound trains simply got scrapped in my opinion. Throw-away society I guess.
The entire electrical system would have required replacement. No point putting regen capable bogies on if there's no way of returning it to the overhead, no way of controlling the system, no way of running all the onboard systems not currently equipped to run in conjunction with regen.

You're talking about complete replacement of all the high value components of the train, that is to say spending the majority of the cost of a new train.

Scrapping them will see just as much of the high value stuff thrown away, plus the steel bodies can be melted down and recycled for future use.
justapassenger
It's almost like those A class rebuilds where the price of recifying a B class chassis to fit all the components was more than the price of a new frame....

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