EV subsidy

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I'm a supporter of EV technology and it needs to be promoted and supported more, but subsidies is not the right approach. EV's need to contribute to road user costs on the same basis as non-EV's.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-06/call-for-electric-cars-to-be-exempt-from-stamp-duty-in-sa/100437572

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  SinickleBird Assistant Commissioner

Location: Qantas Club at Mudgee International Airport
Another call by vested interests to line their pockets with government money.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Do you also support a city microcar class equivalent to the European Quadricycle class or the U.S neighbourhood electric vehicle class?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Do you also support a city microcar class equivalent to the European Quadricycle class or the U.S neighbourhood electric vehicle class?
Myrtone
People can buy what they want.

We currently have few of these classes of cars because people don't want them.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
If the policy decision is to push for more EVs on the road faster for some other reason (eg to advance our EV adoption to a critical mass of sustainability), then im ok with it.

But if it is a sop to EV owners who are road users, and all road users should pay for their use (on a mass-distance basis), then no, its a waste of money.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
If the policy decision is to push for more EVs on the road faster for some other reason (eg to advance our EV adoption to a critical mass of sustainability), then im ok with it.

But if it is a sop to EV owners who are road users, and all road users should pay for their use (on a mass-distance basis), then no, its a waste of money.
james.au
Any new technology in the car industry always starts in the higher end models and trickles down with time as costs come down and/or govt regulation.

Hence EV's as new technology are more expensive, for now and mostly purchased by people with deeper pockets. So why should the taxpayer fund their lifestyle choices?

If the govt wants more EV's on the road, then then need to set regulation to number of EV's available for sale. While Australia is lagging the main reason is lack of EV models in classes of car Australian's traditionally buy, but these models, namely the dual cab market by and large don't actually exist globally and until they do little will change. The good news is they are coming on line between 2023 and 2026.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
People can buy what they want.
"RTT_Rules"

How? Those microcars aren't currently available in Australia.

We currently have few of these classes of cars because people don't want them.
"RTT_Rules"

Maybe they won't want them until they are legal for road use in Australia, which will require the federal government to add a new class of vehicles. These


Note this vehicle is legal for road use in the U.S as well as Europe but not in Australia. These are designed specifically for city driving and in these places are allowed on city streets but not freeways or motorways. If Europe and the U.S have such classes of vehicles, why not Australia?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
People can buy what they want.

How? Those microcars aren't currently available in Australia.

We currently have few of these classes of cars because people don't want them.

Maybe they won't want them until they are legal for road use in Australia, which will require the federal government to add a new class of vehicles. These


Note this vehicle is legal for road use in the U.S as well as Europe but not in Australia. These are designed specifically for city driving and in these places are allowed on city streets but not freeways or motorways. If Europe and the U.S have such classes of vehicles, why not Australia?
Myrtone
No idea.

Doubt they'd be that popular as the micro cars we have now don't sell in huge numbers.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
But the Twizy is very popular in Europe.
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
If the policy decision is to push for more EVs on the road faster for some other reason (eg to advance our EV adoption to a critical mass of sustainability), then im ok with it.

But if it is a sop to EV owners who are road users, and all road users should pay for their use (on a mass-distance basis), then no, its a waste of money.
Any new technology in the car industry always starts in the higher end models and trickles down with time as costs come down and/or govt regulation.

Hence EV's as new technology are more expensive, for now and mostly purchased by people with deeper pockets. So why should the taxpayer fund their lifestyle choices?

If the govt wants more EV's on the road, then then need to set regulation to number of EV's available for sale. While Australia is lagging the main reason is lack of EV models in classes of car Australian's traditionally buy, but these models, namely the dual cab market by and large don't actually exist globally and until they do little will change. The good news is they are coming on line between 2023 and 2026.
RTT_Rules
Agreed.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
But the Twizy is very popular in Europe.
Myrtone
Then move there and buy one
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Why move there just to buy one? They are also legal for road use in North America as well as Europe but not in Australia. First you doubt they would be popular here, then I tell you that the Twizy is popular in Europe and all you say is 'move there and buy one'.

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