So your trying to deflect by using the trial dates, yet the US, Israel, UK and others had purchased in July, we did nothing four 4 months. The UK was using the vaccine on Dec 8. You can spin it as much as you like but those nations previously mentioned must have had an inkling in July that Pfizer was going to get over the line and acted accordingly. And the salient point is why has Morrison and co have been scouring the world for Pfizer over the last month? A million here a couple of million there. Basically an admittance that they made a dogs breakfast of the whole shebang and there doing a whole lot of smeg covering
Really, yet the UK and other nations took a punt and signed up on July 8, fast tracked their approval processes and first jab was done in the UK on Dec 8. In Oz, we signed up when, for 10 Mil in NovemberIf the timelines in damn near every media publication are substantially different to the dates I have given, then - YES! They are wrong, 100% sure of it.
from the SMH
"Legal representatives from Pfizer and the Commonwealth were still hashing out the non-disclosure agreement when a company representative noted in an email on July 23 that the US and UK had already signed deals for doses. The US ordered an initial 100 million doses on July 22, and the UK signed a deal for 30 million doses on July 20"
So it wasn't for another nigh on 4 months that Australia signed an agreement for 10 million doses, front of the queue to the far queue, and that's all they could get because the UK, US and other governments weren't as incompetent as ours.
So with all the announcements from Scotty the announcer, 140 Mill, a couple of million of AZ disappeared, the Queensland lot of apparently 50 mill, leaves us with 70 mill give or take, then why have they been scouring the world scrounging a million here a couple of million there? Let me guess, the FOI docs are a fabrication, the timelines for Pfizer, which have been in damn near every media publication are wrong , or Morrison and the Truculent Runt have been telling us porkies.
Trial dates are absolutely documented Pfizer didn't start phase 3 until late July and they didn't end until after the middle of November, with published results in December, any media that reports different is lying, it's just not even in question.
Have you ever seen the signs at fairs warning of the minimum height required to partake in the rides? I don't think you have the minimum intellect required to partake in this debate - in that regard, I have to tell you that I can no longer tell you apart from Don or Mytrone without looking at the name on the post.
You and your chosen publications, (yes, even those you perceive as having a bias different to yours - even though they actually have the same bias as you, namely, trying to pin blame for an unforeseeable circumstance on 'someone' because you're incapable of accepting that sometimes non ideal outcome just happen) are using purely 20-20 hindsight to look at this, it's easy to look at something in the past and have an idea of how to improve, but much harder to predict a perfect solution ahead of the problem.
Fortunately science does not carry this bias, fortunately for you, neither do I. Get yourself a subscription to a decent publication like 'Nature' and actually learn something instead of dissolving your brain cells with 'newspaper' articles.
Australia had something in the order of 140M vaccines spaced across four
vaccine manufacturers on order, 130M give or take if you exclude our mid November order of 10M Pfizer vaccines. This is widely documented - you just don't want to accept it.
For a population of in the order of 23 million how many vaccines do you think we should have ordered? Consider this not knowing (and having no way to foresee) trial success/fail and efficacy data and/or trade embargo issued late in the timeline. How many vaccine sources and how many dollars would you continue to throw at this problem?
We as humans have a decent track record in creating viable vaccines based on live, dead, mutated, truncated, etc viruses, there are many vaccines of this type under development, we have a decent level of certainty that these techniques are likely to yield working results. We have a 'new' technology in vaccine manufacture being investigated by two US companies, one of which has exactly
zero commercial products on the market, the other has never successfully made a product of this type before, indeed there are exactly
zero products/drugs/vaccines approved for human use using this 'new' technology.
You're suggesting that the Australian government ought to have (without medical advice to do so) abandoned ordering product that we have reason to believe will be successful and effective, and instead spent up big on a product with not only no track record in successful vaccine manufacture, but no track record of successful product use in general? Sure, today we know that mRNA vaccines for Covid do well, but you would have been pretty brave to back them on the basis of incomplete evidence.
Sure the US ordered up big, you know who was the President that did the ordering? Know the UK PM that did their ordering? It must really hurt your brain to know, but it was Trump and Johnson - if in the middle of last year our PM made a press conference and said 'I think Trump and Johnson have this Covid vaccination idea nailed, I am going to ignore one of our own universities (itself with a decent track record in successful
vaccine development, and regarded as a forerunner at the time), our medical professionals, and Europe and just buy never before successfully made product that Trump and Johnson are buying.' - You would have been off your smeg tree. You would have probably needed to look up who the Governor General was and angrily written them a letter asking for them to dismiss the Federal Government - and I might have nearly agreed with you.
You see, in medicine, testing and data are everything
, especially when you're talking about a never before implemented product, and in this case in particular, a brand new production technology. Trial dates and data are not at all a deflection, in medicine, in science, they're everything, especially when you have quite literally nothing else
aside from a single human trial of a different vaccine four years prior, that has not progressed to market, to go on. Make no mistake, that Phase 3 trial was a big deal, a really big deal.
By all means, continue getting your 'facts' from Gaurdian, or whichever non scientific source you like, just don't expect people who know how science works, and who know what it is to try and 'predict the unpredictable' not to have a laugh at you along the way.