Sydney Trains and NSW Trainlink going on strike! (September 2021)

 
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
Hi all, I found out sometime last night. The RBTU (Rail, Tram, and Bus Union) announced that on Tuesday September 28th 2021, between 9AM and 1PM, will be going on strike! All Suburban, Intercity, and Regional services will be canceled during that time. Nothing has been said about Metro services. Although that I discovered it this morning on Griffin Rail’s YouTube channel (Recommendations are doing amazing for him, at least for me). I was able to get it confirmed by multiple staff members today. I (again) will not be revealing their names for privacy reasons. Buses and Coaches will replace all services. Buses, Ferries, and Light Rail are not affected from what I’m aware of. Ferries are done by the Maritime Union.

They want a higher wage (because they are essential workers and are worried that they’ll get sick), they also want better conditions and more respect. I’ve noticed that lacking recently. There has been a lot of cutting corners during the lockdown. And I’ve seen the signs of this strike for the past few weeks. Things are very tense on the railways. And quite a lot of the staff have been wearing the RBTU uniform instead of their normal ones. It seems like it will only be for next Tuesday. But if that extends, I will notify you all. Thank you.

(Made Wednesday September 22nd 2021 2:28 PM)

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  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Thanks for sharing Matthew.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
All Suburban, Intercity, and Regional services will be canceled during that time.
AheadMatthewawsome
All services that are staffed by unionised crew. Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I was able to get it confirmed by multiple staff members today. I (again) will not be revealing their names for privacy reasons.
AheadMAtthewAwesome
Why would you try to promote the information as correct with this kind of logic? Much easier to either quote the RTBU Twitter feed or the SMH article instead as opposed to trying to quote "anonymous ST staff".

You're also more likely to get it right too, rather than saying "9AM to 1AM" - which is false. It's 9AM to 1PM September 28, and affects all classifications of ST/NSWTrains employees. And the RTBU didn't announce it "sometime last night", it was on their FB feed on September 18!

Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
s3_gunzel
True, they aren't, but IMHO, it's a bloody good idea, and personally, I don't think it fair that those non-union crew enjoy the hard-won fruits of the RTBU-negotiated EBA. They'd be more than welcome to try to negotiate an AWA/IFA themselves and see what they get...
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
I was able to get it confirmed by multiple staff members today. I (again) will not be revealing their names for privacy reasons.
Why would you try to promote the information as correct with this kind of logic? Much easier to either quote the RTBU Twitter feed or the SMH article instead as opposed to trying to quote "anonymous ST staff".

You're also more likely to get it right too, rather than saying "9AM to 1AM" - which is false. It's 9AM to 1PM September 28, and affects all classifications of ST/NSWTrains employees. And the RTBU didn't announce it "sometime last night", it was on their FB feed on September 18!

Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
True, they aren't, but IMHO, it's a bloody good idea, and personally, I don't think it fair that those non-union crew enjoy the hard-won fruits of the RTBU-negotiated EBA. They'd be more than welcome to try to negotiate an AWA/IFA themselves and see what they get...
KRviator
Sorry, I don't use Twitter. It can get a bit crabby in there...
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
True, they aren't, but IMHO, it's a bloody good idea, and personally, I don't think it fair that those non-union crew enjoy the hard-won fruits of the RTBU-negotiated EBA. They'd be more than welcome to try to negotiate an AWA/IFA themselves and see what they get...
KRviator
Haha I can see it now!
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
All Suburban, Intercity, and Regional services will be canceled during that time.
All services that are staffed by unionised crew. Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
s3_gunzel
They just simply wouldn't be able to have enough people to keep the network going.

I was able to get it confirmed by multiple staff members today. I (again) will not be revealing their names for privacy reasons.
AheadMatthewawsome


But if that extends, I will notify you all. Thank you.
s3_gunzel
The union may decide between now and Tuesday to either call it off, or extend it. If they do, they would announce it publicly. And that would be the only way that I would find out, just like you. And also, I got friends on the railway. Just like your family friend, the Customer Service Attendant. All that I did was go up to them and showed them the poster and asked "Is this true?". And they said, "Yes, it hasn't been cancelled from what we're aware of!".
  Totoro Locomotive Driver

I'm an essential worker too. I work at a hospital and rely on the trains to get to work every morning.

This is absolutely disgusting behaviour from the Unions.

It's also a PERFECT example of why I support Metro. The sooner all of our trains go driverless, the better.
  KRviator Moderator

Location: Up the front
I'm an essential worker too. I work at a hospital and rely on the trains to get to work every morning.

This is absolutely disgusting behaviour from the Unions.

It's also a PERFECT example of why I support Metro. The sooner all of our trains go driverless, the better.
Totoro
I'll be more than happy to remind you of that next time the Nurses Federation want's to go out the gate because of wages or conditions...
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I was able to get it confirmed by multiple staff members today. I (again) will not be revealing their names for privacy reasons.
Why would you try to promote the information as correct with this kind of logic? Much easier to either quote the RTBU Twitter feed or the SMH article instead as opposed to trying to quote "anonymous ST staff".

You're also more likely to get it right too, rather than saying "9AM to 1AM" - which is false. It's 9AM to 1PM September 28, and affects all classifications of ST/NSWTrains employees. And the RTBU didn't announce it "sometime last night", it was on their FB feed on September 18!

Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
True, they aren't, but IMHO, it's a bloody good idea, and personally, I don't think it fair that those non-union crew enjoy the hard-won fruits of the RTBU-negotiated EBA. They'd be more than welcome to try to negotiate an AWA/IFA themselves and see what they get...
KRviator
Persona, think they’d go OK negotiating their first AWA/IFA, second and subsequent agreements, good luck.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
All services that are staffed by unionised crew. Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
They just simply wouldn't be able to have enough people to keep the network going.
AheadMatthewawsome
You're missing the point, which is that non-union crew aren't allowed to go on strike. Any non-union crew will be expected to run their trains as if it is a normal day at work. I concede that perhaps non-union crew may be minimal, but saying "all trains will be cancelled" is disingenuous to your post. Because it's not true. At all.
  nswtrains Chief Commissioner

I'm an essential worker too. I work at a hospital and rely on the trains to get to work every morning.

This is absolutely disgusting behaviour from the Unions.

It's also a PERFECT example of why I support Metro. The sooner all of our trains go driverless, the better.
Totoro
The strike has been positioned to affect the least number of workers and is industrial actioned sanctioned by the Fair Work Commission. The strike relates to many other issues other than pay. Sydney Trains and NSW Trainlink are proposing separate EBA's for each organisation whilst the membership have voted to stay with an EBA that covers both organisation. These 2 organisations have refused to negotiate a single EBA and this is a very important issue for RTBU members.

Safety aspects of the new NIF is another important focus of the industrial action.

If Totoro leaves prior to 0900 hours, then he can still catch a train to work. Calling the industrial action disgusting is really not called for. I guess you don't like unions generally.
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
All services that are staffed by unionised crew. Not all crew are unionised, I am led to understand. There's no requirement you sign up to the union.
They just simply wouldn't be able to have enough people to keep the network going.
You're missing the point, which is that non-union crew aren't allowed to go on strike. Any non-union crew will be expected to run their trains as if it is a normal day at work. I concede that perhaps non-union crew may be minimal, but saying "all trains will be cancelled" is disingenuous to your post. Because it's not true. At all.
s3_gunzel
Yes, but. You need a ton of people to keep the system running. You got the Drivers, Guards, the CSAs (including your family friend), Signallers, Maintenance, the ROC, and way more! When there is this kind of strike, they just simply can't run the services. Therefor, they have to replace the trains with buses and coaches! It won't be an instant process, it'll take about a hour or so for all the trains to terminate. Then after that, it'll take until the next day for everything to go back to normal. The rest of the staff who aren't in the union, or have decided not to strike will be having to deal with the mayhem that this strike will cause to an already fragile society. I'll be there when it happens. Because I have to take Public Transport wherever I go by myself. And if that doesn't happen, my bad. But this is the most likely course to happen.
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
Hi all, just a quick update. More strikes are happening on Saturday September 25th. All services will be running up to 60km/h. And will be stopping at all stations. The timetable has been changed for Tuesday September 28th. This is to allow all trains to be in sidings, or in depots by 9AM. So yes, there is definitely no services on Tuesday. No matter what anybody says. And I can be there. I live 20m from the train line. And about 500m to the train station! I still need to use Public Transport for essential purposes. My phone is dying, so I’ll give you more information when I get home.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
The timetable has been changed for Tuesday September 28th. This is to allow all trains to be in sidings, or in depots by 9AM. So yes, there is definitely no services on Tuesday.
AheadMatthewawsome
Looked into it -

Tripview still displays services on Tuesday, all day.

NextThere does not yet display services for Tuesday.

The Daily Timetable has not yet been issued for Tuesday.

I cannot verify the authenticity of this until I can physically see it.
  AheadMatthewawsome Train Controller

Location: NOT Banned
The timetable has been changed for Tuesday September 28th. This is to allow all trains to be in sidings, or in depots by 9AM. So yes, there is definitely no services on Tuesday.
Looked into it -

Tripview still displays services on Tuesday, all day.

NextThere does not yet display services for Tuesday.

The Daily Timetable has not yet been issued for Tuesday.

I cannot verify the authenticity of this until I can physically see it.
s3_gunzel
Here yee go, the news has finally noticed!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrA2wqbuyfM
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller

Here yee go, the news has finally noticed!:
AheadMatthewawsome


only partly noticed - no one noticed the work to rule strike action .. ( reported in the news )..
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
Man, if only lockdown was over, I'd be able to see an XPT stop at Wondabyne! That'll be interesting!
EDIT: Never mind, ALL regional services have been canceled, I expect many to get quite "kangy angry".
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Regional trains won’t be stopping at Wondy RSL.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

What an interesting way to strike!
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
According to quite a lot of other gunzels the D sets will be having their last service tomorrow morning, one heading back to Kangy Angy to go into storage. Kangy Angy will be used for extra V set storage apparently, possibly a new home for the MainTrain ones?
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
What the ones that haven’t moved for a decade? Yeah nah.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
They HAVE moved though, remember when the C sets were stored there for a bit?
(Obviously they would not be moved under their own power)
Maybe one of them could be put into Thirlmere? The Glenbrook V set is there after all.
((also we're getting a bit off topic but oh well lol))
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
OK, let’s dispel this myth right now - Vs aren’t going to Kangy Angy. Do you know why? Because there’s no room at Kangy Angy for even its own fleet. In case you’ve been under a rock for a year, the NIF sets are stored literally everywhere at the moment.

To your second point about sticking a V Set car at Thirlmere, I’ll remind you about what I said the other day - everything you preserve needs space (and time) dedicated to it. There’s a chronic space shortage at Thirlmere.
  Griffinrails Official Locomotive Fireman

Location: Dunno. (help i'm lost)
I know that there are space limits, but it's been confirmed that one trailer car will be kept for a static display by THNSW.

Also, D sets are STILL operating. Somehow.
Does anyone know when the actual operating ban will take place? Tomorrow maybe? On the 28th?

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