The corona virus COVID-19

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

My main concern re the continuing lockdown is this statement by Andrews as quoted in the Age article:

'“We are not turning back. This is a plan to open … [and] we are finding a way to push through and get this place open,”'

I am a firm adherent to the Humphrey Appleby principle of 'never believing anything from any politician until it is either officially confirmed or denied'.
YM-Mundrabilla
If the current case trajectory continues I think they will stick to the targets at 70% and 80%, but will probably delay some of the freedoms that were to be granted at those points.

It is nuts that we are talking about international travel starting in November when state borders are still closed with even new lockdowns being re-imposed in NSW. International travel will be  a token gesture.

If you go overseas in a pandemic, don't whinge if you suddenly get locked out again...
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Did Morrison say what Christmas, this one or the previous Christmas?
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Glady's has resigned.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I was criticed in these pages because I suggested Victoria's huge jump in cases to 1400+ yesterday was through illegal grand final parties and the nutters at the 'freedom' demo's.

Chickens coming home to roost Question

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/lockdown-lifting-could-be-delayed-if-grand-final-case-spike-becomes-trend-20210930-p58w56.html

Mike.
The Vinelander
Selective use of the truth once again from you Mike, the very thing that you lay in to certain RP posters about

"So, because the anti-vaccers, conspiracy theorists and AFL Grand Final backyard party goers who refuse to wear masks or socially isolate, don't believe in COVID or are flat earthers who are completely unhinged, the Premier and Chief Health officer should resign...yeah good one https://www.railpage.com.au/images/smiles/icon_exclaim.gif

BTW, from a PT perspective, V/Line was back to normal on Monday.

Mike."
No reference to yesterday's cases at all and posted before yesterday's figures were released IIRC

The GF party goers simply join a long queue of groups and individuals who think that the rules don't / shouldn't apply to them

There are, what, 12,000 current cases in Victoria and most of them were infected well before last weekend
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
When you see things that people do, like appalling driving, boating without a life jacket, bushwalking with no survival supplies and so on, their reaction to the COVID issue is just another example of "It can't happen to me."
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
When you see things that people do, like appalling driving, boating without a life jacket, bushwalking with no survival supplies and so on, their reaction to the COVID issue is just another example of "It can't happen to me."
Valvegear
So you've been to Castlemaine then! Laughing

One of the guys from the VGR almost got collected twice in one intersection yesterday just going out to get lunch. It is unreal what you get to see when you work on a main road near a busy country junction like I do, and you are right, it is the same attitude but I would describe it more as "I'm the most important person in the world, Mummy and Daddy told me I was special"
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Dan's mandate for vaccinations for all Authorised Workers seems very over-the-top for my liking.  We're already heading for 90%+ vaccination rate without compulsion anyway (which is great!).  Why persecute the very small minority who conscientiously object to the jab?  

I really do think that power has got to Dan Andrew's head and he's drunk on it.
  bingley hall Minister for Railways

Location: Last train to Skaville
Dan's mandate for vaccinations for all Authorised Workers seems very over-the-top for my liking.  We're already heading for 90%+ vaccination rate without compulsion anyway (which is great!).  Why persecute the very small minority who conscientiously object to the jab?  

I really do think that power has got to Dan Andrew's head and he's drunk on it.
Carnot

Such mandates are coming thick and fast from other governments, administrations and businesses all over the World, I think even Gladys was heading in that direction.

So why do you feel the need to single out Dan?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
When you see things that people do, like appalling driving, boating without a life jacket, bushwalking with no survival supplies and so on, their reaction to the COVID issue is just another example of "It can't happen to me."
So you've been to Castlemaine then! Laughing

One of the guys from the VGR almost got collected twice in one intersection yesterday just going out to get lunch. It is unreal what you get to see when you work on a main road near a busy country junction like I do, and you are right, it is the same attitude but I would describe it more as "I'm the most important person in the world, Mummy and Daddy told me I was special"
BrentonGolding
Addendum to the above, there are also the IDGAFF brigade (there's one for YM to ponder) like the um, er, let's call them people so as not to offend who hang out at 'er indoors' local shops in Norf Melbourne, everyone else can go hang, I'll do whatever the hell I want, no responsibility, no social contract
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
Freedom of choice comes with consequences as well as obligations.


Mandating vaccines is nothing new, why is this coming as such a shock to so many?

Polio, Rubella & Smallpox just to name a few have all been the subject to mandatory vaccinations in the past, why is this different?

People are free to not get vaccinated, they just have to find another form of employment. My employer has had a policy regarding mandatory flu shots for years, nobody raises an eyebrow because without it we lose contracts, which means we cut staff numbers, so everybody just gets on with it. If I get caught driving my truck without a seatbelt on I'm out on my ear too.

They're called rules.


My god some people think they are bloody special don't they?
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Such mandates are coming thick and fast from other governments, administrations and businesses all over the World, I think even Gladys was heading in that direction.

So why do you feel the need to single out Dan?
"bingley hall"
Ideological reasons.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Denmark and Norway have removed their mandates. So should Vic in the near future tbh.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Denmark and Norway have removed their mandates. So should Vic in the near future tbh.
Carnot
They're miles ahead of us. Denmark fully vaxxed 75.44%, Norway 67.17%, Australia 55.08%. Victoria only 50.64%.
COVID-19 vaccine data centre: How many people have been vaccinated worldwide? (theage.com.au)

It is interesting to compare the stats between the current situation and previous waves regarding hospital admissions, which is one of the main things that the vaccine is aimed at preventing. In Victoria, we currently have around 11,000 active cases and around 400 hospital admissions. In August last year, for most of the month there was around 7,000 active cases for several weeks but the average hospital admissions for the same period was around 650.

I'm undecided whether compulsory vaccinations should be scrapped once we reach 80% fuly vaxxed. On the one hand what we don't want to see is 400 or more people in hospital suffering fron the virus forever and a day, preventing others from accessing the hospital system, so it is still very important to aim for much higher than 80% fully vaxxed. On the other hand, considering the reluctance/recalcitrance/petulance of the noisy minority and realising that we will never achieve full vaccination because of them, should we just give up at 80% and hope that they are the ones who will get sick and die?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I'm undecided whether compulsory vaccinations should be scrapped once we reach 80% fuly vaxxed. On the one hand what we don't want to see is 400 or more people in hospital suffering fron the virus forever and a day, preventing others from accessing the hospital system, so it is still very important to aim for much higher than 80% fully vaxxed. On the other hand, considering the reluctance/recalcitrance/petulance of the noisy minority and realising that we will never achieve full vaccination because of them, should we just give up at 80% and hope that they are the ones who will get sick and die?
DirtyBallast
I am the same, I cannot work out where I stand on this and I wax and wane on it almost daily.

Judging by the way the rollout is going we may even get to 90% or higher (although as many have pointed out it gets progressively harder the higher you get) but I can't reconcile in my mind whether the remainder are deserving of freedom or simply putting the rest of us and the health system at risk

I know more than a few staunch anti-vaxxers through work, extended family and friends, I find it confronting as it challenges my views, I believe we should all get vaxxed for the greater good but pre Covid my view would have been different - I would have still got vaccinated but I would have respected other's rights not to far more than I do now
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Denmark and Norway have removed their mandates. So should Vic in the near future tbh.
They're miles ahead of us. Denmark fully vaxxed 75.44%, Norway 67.17%, Australia 55.08%. Victoria only 50.64%.
COVID-19 vaccine data centre: How many people have been vaccinated worldwide? (theage.com.au)

It is interesting to compare the stats between the current situation and previous waves regarding hospital admissions, which is one of the main things that the vaccine is aimed at preventing. In Victoria, we currently have around 11,000 active cases and around 400 hospital admissions. In August last year, for most of the month there was around 7,000 active cases for several weeks but the average hospital admissions for the same period was around 650.

I'm undecided whether compulsory vaccinations should be scrapped once we reach 80% fuly vaxxed. On the one hand what we don't want to see is 400 or more people in hospital suffering fron the virus forever and a day, preventing others from accessing the hospital system, so it is still very important to aim for much higher than 80% fully vaxxed. On the other hand, considering the reluctance/recalcitrance/petulance of the noisy minority and realising that we will never achieve full vaccination because of them, should we just give up at 80% and hope that they are the ones who will get sick and die?
DirtyBallast
Recent polls have indicated 90-92% of Adults say they'll get vaccinated this year in Australia.  80%+ won't be hard.

Looking around the world, Portugal is a good example of high vax rates.  Currently 84.6% fully vaxxed with around 700 new cases and 7 deaths per day (out of a Population of 10 million).  And they are relaxing most of their entry restrictions relating to vaccination today.  Just nightclubs and bars now require vaccinated customers.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Addendum to the above, there are also the IDGAFF brigade (there's one for YM to ponder)
BrentonGolding
I think it begins with "I Don't Give A . . . ." and is followed by a reference to airborne intimacy.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

A few personal observations and experiences of late.

Walking with the Mrs both wearing masks. Abuse hurled by fake tradies driving past.

Recently speaking with a mate, quizzed me on what I was planning for the NRL final, we are both in Sydney.

Friend of a friend is covid positive and quarantined in some hotel. “This place terrific, three delivered meals a day, six beers free internet. Want to come over?”

Relative servicing industrial plumbing, the subject of getting jabbed arose with customer. Not getting it, it’s all BS, Craig Kelly is the only one speaking sensibility.

Another relative has planned the week starting October 11, her freedom day. Pub crawls, hair dresser and other single female pursuits all over town. A one woman super spreader.

A bumpy few months to come.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I'm undecided whether compulsory vaccinations should be scrapped once we reach 80% fuly vaxxed. On the one hand what we don't want to see is 400 or more people in hospital suffering fron the virus forever and a day, preventing others from accessing the hospital system, so it is still very important to aim for much higher than 80% fully vaxxed. On the other hand, considering the reluctance/recalcitrance/petulance of the noisy minority and realising that we will never achieve full vaccination because of them, should we just give up at 80% and hope that they are the ones who will get sick and die?
DirtyBallast
No, compulsory vaccinations for the certain occupations should stay for a very long time. I actually don't understand why countries as health and safety conscious as those in Scandinavia have dropped their mandates when they still haven't reaped the full benefits of the vaccine, have their vaccine rollouts slowed since dropping vaccine passports.
We have achieved full vaccination before, for example against polio, measles, smallpox and there may be other examples.

The next thing is vaccinating those of school going age.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Now Victoria

  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I actually don't understand
Myrtone
Summarised your post for you... Wink
  lsrailfan Minister for Railways

Location: Somewhere you're not
Now Victoria

bevans
Well done Protesters, well done indeed Rolling Eyes, they are the ones that make it doubly hard for the rest of us!! one saving grace that we have now is the vaccines, to date in NSW, 87.7% first dose, 65.2% 2nd, I actually think we could get past 90% DD in NSW, the demand up here is still very good indeed!
  303gunner Train Controller

One saving grace that we have now is the vaccines, to date in NSW, 87.7% first dose, 65.2% 2nd, I actually think we could get past 90% DD in NSW, the demand up here is still very good indeed!
lsrailfan
This website is a good tool, mainly for the number of daily infections in a particular postcode (NSW Health only lists by LGA, which covers several postcodes), but also for the Vax rates: https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/vaccines/by-postcode

Some suburbs are doing very well in their vax rates, which if those that have had their 1st shot will naturally follow up with their 2nd in time, will exceed 90%. Some rural postcodes are standouts; 2396, 2588, 2873, showing availability is there for regional areas. Other areas are not doing so well in their rates at all, which may be vax availability/rollout delays or anti-vax reluctance:

https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2482
https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2213

https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2734
https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2409
https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2482
https://covid19nsw.ethan.link/postcode/2424
  don_dunstan Dr Beeching

Location: Adelaide proud


This dude pretty much sums up the VIC attitude to lockdown in six seconds - it's had 2.6 million views.
  9034 Train Controller



This dude pretty much sums up the VIC attitude to lockdown in six seconds - it's had 2.6 million views.
don_dunstan

Seems that a lot of people in Victoria aren't listening to the lockdown message anymore

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/rise-in-defiance-of-victorian-rules-for-sanitys-sake/news-story/d1818316b8250175c88cd78b69c7bcb6

"Let’s call it Melbourne’s dirty little secret. For weeks, maybe even months, people in their millions quietly have been defying Daniel Andrews’ lockdown rules."

Really don't know how people in Melbourne have put up with it for so long.  It would be like torture not being able to go out to a pub, cinema or a restaurant for a night out with friends for months on end.

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