The corona virus COVID-19

 
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
It would be like torture not being able to go out to a pub, cinema or a restaurant for a night out with friends for months on end.
9034
Really? As I recall, I've only been to a pub once since 2019 and only to one restaurant since then (unless you count Shopping Centre Food Courts, McDonalds et al, and them only for convenience and rarely). I'm quite happy to eat and drink at home thanks.

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  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

This dude pretty much sums up the VIC attitude to lockdown in six seconds - it's had 2.6 million views.
don_dunstan
Today, you wouldn't even know the lockdown was on, things are basically back to pre-curfew levels. The streets are almost back to normal and there are some shops opening that I am pretty sure shouldn't be.

No police anywhere as they are all chasing protestors.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
It would be like torture not being able to go out to a pub, cinema or a restaurant for a night out with friends for months on end.
Really? As I recall, I've only been to a pub once since 2019 and only to one restaurant since then (unless you count Shopping Centre Food Courts, McDonalds et al, and them only for convenience and rarely). I'm quite happy to eat and drink at home thanks.
Graham4405
Yep. It's not 'torture' to not pay exhorbitant prices for a wanky craft beer or average food, and it is not 'torture' to not physically get smegfaced in a group setting. We can still facetime or zoom our friends and relatives as often as we like, or even go for a long walk with one of them at a time.

9034, 'torture' is probably what our elders are feeling about your attitude right now. They were told to go overseas and shoot people before being shot themselves and you're defending people who are complaining about being told to sit on their arses on the couch!
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
It would be like torture not being able to go out to a pub, cinema or a restaurant for a night out with friends for months on end.
Really? As I recall, I've only been to a pub once since 2019 and only to one restaurant since then (unless you count Shopping Centre Food Courts, McDonalds et al, and them only for convenience and rarely). I'm quite happy to eat and drink at home thanks.
Yep. It's not 'torture' to not pay exhorbitant prices for a wanky craft beer or average food, and it is not 'torture' to not physically get smegfaced in a group setting. We can still facetime or zoom our friends and relatives as often as we like, or even go for a long walk with one of them at a time.
DirtyBallast
I had a quick look back but can't find the original quoted post so I don't know the context but I don't understand why you both see the need to lay into this poster

Everyone's struggles and experience with Covid are different and we all deal with it in a different manner. Just because you choose not to go out to eat and drink doesn't make it any better or more valid than anyone else's lifestyle choices

I too have really struggled with not being able to go the the pub and catch up with the good, the bad and the downright ugly in the front bar of my local and I will be back to do it all again just as soon as Pete decides to re-open The Rail, the best little pub in Castlemaine.

If you want to stay at home for the rest of your lives that is an equally valid choice but not one that we all want to make
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
It would be like torture not being able to go out to a pub, cinema or a restaurant for a night out with friends for months on end.
Really? As I recall, I've only been to a pub once since 2019 and only to one restaurant since then (unless you count Shopping Centre Food Courts, McDonalds et al, and them only for convenience and rarely). I'm quite happy to eat and drink at home thanks.
Yep. It's not 'torture' to not pay exhorbitant prices for a wanky craft beer or average food, and it is not 'torture' to not physically get smegfaced in a group setting. We can still facetime or zoom our friends and relatives as often as we like, or even go for a long walk with one of them at a time.
I had a quick look back but can't find the original quoted post so I don't know the context but I don't understand why you both see the need to lay into this poster

Everyone's struggles and experience with Covid are different and we all deal with it in a different manner. Just because you choose not to go out to eat and drink doesn't make it any better or more valid than anyone else's lifestyle choices

I too have really struggled with not being able to go the the pub and catch up with the good, the bad and the downright ugly in the front bar of my local and I will be back to do it all again just as soon as Pete decides to re-open The Rail, the best little pub in Castlemaine.

If you want to stay at home for the rest of your lives that is an equally valid choice but not one that we all want to make
BrentonGolding
Yes yes yes, but 'torture'? Really?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yes yes yes, but 'torture'? Really?
DirtyBallast
Haha, yes, but if we are going to pull up everyone who uses inflated / embellished language in a post it will be a full time job! It is an epidemic in our society and social media seems to have accelerated the trend

The one that really boils my pi$$ is AWESOME! The Boxing Day Earthquake and resulting Tsunami was awesome. The current eruptions on La Palma are awesome. The fact that I just ordered a Latte with the Big Breakfast is not awesome

The most overused adjective of our time and almost never used as it should be!

As an aside (and yes, I know, this is all off topic, sorry) when I got home to the Ms after the recent earthquake she described the shaking as violent. She who is university educated and a lecturer and who doesn't watch 7 news or read the Hun so it wasn't just RailPagers!
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
As an aside (and yes, I know, this is all off topic, sorry) when I got home to the Ms after the recent earthquake she described the shaking as violent. She who is university educated and a lecturer and who doesn't watch 7 news or read the Hun so it wasn't just RailPagers!
BrentonGolding
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  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I don't understand why you both see the need to lay into this poster
BrentonGolding
I don't feel that I was "laying into" him/her. Just pointing out that the situation is survivable. I'm in a situation where I can do these things if I want to but have chosen to be over-cautious rather than reckless. That's all.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I don't understand why you both see the need to lay into this poster
I don't feel that I was "laying into" him/her. Just pointing out that the situation is survivable. I'm in a situation where I can do these things if I want to but have chosen to be over-cautious rather than reckless. That's all.
Graham4405
Fair enough but again the crucial part of that is "I"

For other people the situation is far more difficult. Some of the people I know are older men who live on their own for whatever reason

For these guys the pub is pretty much their only social outlet and these continued lockdowns are VERY difficult and have lead to loneliness and in some cases worse
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
For these guys the pub is pretty much their only social outlet and these continued lockdowns are VERY difficult and have lead to loneliness and in some cases worse
BrentonGolding
Understood, but can they not socialise in small groups in private homes? I'm not sure of the exact restrictions in place.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
For these guys the pub is pretty much their only social outlet and these continued lockdowns are VERY difficult and have lead to loneliness and in some cases worse
Understood, but can they not socialise in small groups in private homes? I'm not sure of the exact restrictions in place.
Graham4405
NEIN! Es ist VERBOTEN!!! Visiting people in their homes is a pretty big no no if you are in lockdown in Vic. I am not sure of the exact rules in Castlemaine at the minute but as we have a current outbreak probably not a good idea. Plus some of them wouldn't want people visiting them in their homes depending on where they live.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

What is visiting? What is meaning?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
For these guys the pub is pretty much their only social outlet and these continued lockdowns are VERY difficult and have lead to loneliness and in some cases worse
Understood, but can they not socialise in small groups in private homes? I'm not sure of the exact restrictions in place.
NEIN! Es ist VERBOTEN!!! Visiting people in their homes is a pretty big no no if you are in lockdown in Vic. I am not sure of the exact rules in Castlemaine at the minute but as we have a current outbreak probably not a good idea. Plus some of them wouldn't want people visiting them in their homes depending on where they live.
BrentonGolding
Ja.
Home visiting has been one of the largest single causes of the Covid explosion here in Victoria especially amongst some groups/families who not only live in each other's pockets but do not consider that the rules apply to them.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Ja.
Home visiting has been one of the largest single causes of the Covid explosion here in Victoria especially amongst some groups/families who not only live in each other's pockets but do not consider that the rules apply to them.
YM-Mundrabilla
We went to drop off a care package to extended family in isolation today. My brother's family just bought a house 500m away from them so we swung by and took a look. Stood out on the footpath and shouted at them over the fence for a few minutes

He works in construction and was saying he has friends / colleagues who live in one of the hardest hit LGAs in Melbourne and have been dropping kids off at the Grandparents place for "childcare", visiting cousins and other relo's on a weekly basis etc etc etc and told him they don't care what the rules are, family is family and they are going to keep doing it no matter what the government says.

And people wonder how we got here.......
  doyle Chief Commissioner

As YM said a few days ago, we are the Mugs staying home following the rules doing the right thing, it's quite sad really how utterly stupid, weak and pathetic some people are.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Ja.
Home visiting has been one of the largest single causes of the Covid explosion here in Victoria especially amongst some groups/families who not only live in each other's pockets but do not consider that the rules apply to them.
We went to drop off a care package to extended family in isolation today. My brother's family just bought a house 500m away from them so we swung by and took a look. Stood out on the footpath and shouted at them over the fence for a few minutes

He works in construction and was saying he has friends / colleagues who live in one of the hardest hit LGAs in Melbourne and have been dropping kids off at the Grandparents place for "childcare", visiting cousins and other relo's on a weekly basis etc etc etc and told him they don't care what the rules are, family is family and they are going to keep doing it no matter what the government says.

And people wonder how we got here.......
BrentonGolding
When was it, mind is numb and can't remember, was it weeks or months or even a year or more ago, the vibe from the government was that if most of the people did the right thing most of the time, then that would be good enough. Our elected officials are no dills, despite what we think of those we don't normally vote for either way, and they all would have recognised that there will always be a hard core element of non-compliance. It seems like the current situation in Victoria is one of trust; you won't get shot if you do the wrong thing but if the majority of people keep doing do the right thing then hopefully the hospital system will not be overloaded with Covid cases before things abate. In the meantime I'm pretty sure that there is an air of resignation felt by the government that compliance is waning.  

At risk of sounding like a miscreant attempting to justify his wrongdoing, I am not upset or offended but nevertheless slightly peeved at your reference to grandparents providing childcare. It is a legitimate activity and at certain times provides a healthier choice for all concerned when one childcare centre after another is listed as an exposure site in the LGA of the parent and child, and measures are taken to reduce the risk of potential future exposure - even if significant travel is involved to remove the child from that LGA which is in a hard lockdown area.

The one restriction that annoys me the most with the current lockdowns is with the single social bubble. It is okay for one single person to go to the household of another, but it is not okay for a single person, for example an adult child living alone after moving out, to visit her parents once a week and stay for a meal.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

As YM said a few days ago, we are the Mugs staying home following the rules doing the right thing, it's quite sad really how utterly stupid, weak and pathetic some people are.
doyle
There are fewer and fewer mugs now. Rules being broken all over the place around family visits. I know people who have obtained exceptions from doctors to say they are caring for their parents...when their parents are perfectly able bodied.

I know more people breaking core rules than sticking with them now. The lockdown is basically over.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
As YM said a few days ago, we are the Mugs staying home following the rules doing the right thing, it's quite sad really how utterly stupid, weak and pathetic some people are.
There are fewer and fewer mugs now. Rules being broken all over the place around family visits. I know people who have obtained exceptions from doctors to say they are caring for their parents...when their parents are perfectly able bodied.

I know more people breaking core rules than sticking with them now. The lockdown is basically over.
Mr. Lane
Yep, there comes a point where people have just had enough and the consequences matter little and the govt is unwilling to force the issue for fear of being labelled a police state more than they already are or basically a popular uprising or at least popular uprising against the rules which I suspect they are on the edge of doing.

Interesting NZ'ers are not rebelling against their restrictions yet they are also not taking up the vaccine with first doses flatting out.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Ja.
Home visiting has been one of the largest single causes of the Covid explosion here in Victoria especially amongst some groups/families who not only live in each other's pockets but do not consider that the rules apply to them.
We went to drop off a care package to extended family in isolation today. My brother's family just bought a house 500m away from them so we swung by and took a look. Stood out on the footpath and shouted at them over the fence for a few minutes

He works in construction and was saying he has friends / colleagues who live in one of the hardest hit LGAs in Melbourne and have been dropping kids off at the Grandparents place for "childcare", visiting cousins and other relo's on a weekly basis etc etc etc and told him they don't care what the rules are, family is family and they are going to keep doing it no matter what the government says.

And people wonder how we got here.......
When was it, mind is numb and can't remember, was it weeks or months or even a year or more ago, the vibe from the government was that if most of the people did the right thing most of the time, then that would be good enough. Our elected officials are no dills, despite what we think of those we don't normally vote for either way, and they all would have recognised that there will always be a hard core element of non-compliance. It seems like the current situation in Victoria is one of trust; you won't get shot if you do the wrong thing but if the majority of people keep doing do the right thing then hopefully the hospital system will not be overloaded with Covid cases before things abate. In the meantime I'm pretty sure that there is an air of resignation felt by the government that compliance is waning.  

At risk of sounding like a miscreant attempting to justify his wrongdoing, I am not upset or offended but nevertheless slightly peeved at your reference to grandparents providing childcare. It is a legitimate activity and at certain times provides a healthier choice for all concerned when one childcare centre after another is listed as an exposure site in the LGA of the parent and child, and measures are taken to reduce the risk of potential future exposure - even if significant travel is involved to remove the child from that LGA which is in a hard lockdown area.

The one restriction that annoys me the most with the current lockdowns is with the single social bubble. It is okay for one single person to go to the household of another, but it is not okay for a single person, for example an adult child living alone after moving out, to visit her parents once a week and stay for a meal.
DirtyBallast
Sorry, that was probably way too nuanced. What my brother was talking about wasn't legit child care it was just an excuse for another family visit

I agree that at times some of the restrictions vs excemptions don't seem to make sense but all I can do as an individual is to try to follow the directions I have been given by the guvmit. iHowever it seems to me that I am now in the minority

I know we are never all going to agree on everything, I just find it really frustrating when cases are so high but everywhere I go there are so many people who don't seem to give a stuff
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE


I agree that at times some of the restrictions vs excemptions don't seem to make sense but all I can do as an individual is to try to follow the directions I have been given by the guvmit. iHowever it seems to me that I am now in the minority

I know we are never all going to agree on everything, I just find it really frustrating when cases are so high but everywhere I go there are so many people who don't seem to give a stuff
BrentonGolding
At 1100 cases per day, 11,000 active cases that they know of and headed expotential in growth, people enmass ignoring the rules, 70% vaccination target in 3 weeks then its basically over.

Going forward, International Airport and state border quaratine are fast becoming pointless so no real benefit for even home quarratine, which is unlikely to be followed anyway.
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Interesting NZ'ers are not rebelling against their restrictions yet they are also not taking up the vaccine with first doses flatting out.

I reckon because NZ has only one leader not like Australia with 9 leaders with agendas pulling in different directions
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
The Australian Government is finalising plans to safely reopen Australia’s international border next month.
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/news-and-updates/pm-announces-plans-open-australias-international-border
Smartraveller
Really?
  doyle Chief Commissioner

How does safely and virus work... Oh I see Oxymoron
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Interesting NZ'ers are not rebelling against their restrictions yet they are also not taking up the vaccine with first doses flatting out.

I reckon because NZ has only one leader not like Australia with 9 leaders with agendas pulling in different directions
doyle
Agree, this makes life alot better. However the issue for not taking vaccine is not driven by the govt who has had a consistent message (I thought).

Looking deeper into the breakdown, the ethnic groups such as Moari and Pacific are laging which would indicate they don't trust the govt which I would have thought was well regarded with those peoples, obviously not.
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
The Australian Government is finalising plans to safely reopen Australia’s international border next month.
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/news-and-updates/pm-announces-plans-open-australias-international-border
Really?
Graham4405
Why not?

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