Is Daylight savings starting too early in the season?

 
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Daylight savings again and we have only just got into some morning daylight.

Way too early?

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  doyle Chief Commissioner

Yes
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
No!
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Yes - I am (was) an early shift person.Smile
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Day light saving is perfect in Adelaide at the moment.
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
Yes - I am (was) an early shift person.Smile
YM-Mundrabilla
No - I am not and have never been a morning person. Laughing
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
I hate daylight saving with a passion. Thank goodness I live in Queensland!
  doyle Chief Commissioner

Cows.. Curtains.. What?
  BigShunter Chief Commissioner

Location: St Clair. S.A.
I enjoy daylight savings but perhaps starting in November, the part I don't like is when it ends. Goes way too long, I think you could pull the pin on it during the long weekend in March, probably on the Sunday night and you still have Monday up your sleeve.

BigShunter.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Cows.. Curtains.. What?
doyle
No - the sun blinds! Smile

Actually, whilst I dislike Daylight Saving I spent a fortnight in Arctic Finland and Norway some years ago and the near 24 hours daylight didn't actually bother me perhaps because it was daylight early unlike here in Melbourne.
  DirtyBallast Chief Commissioner

Location: Standing at the limit of an endless ocean
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I hate daylight saving with a passion. Thank goodness I live in Queensland!
Graham4405
Having grown up in DSL NSW and lived in Tas, then moved to CQ. I'm always amazed by the level of excuses used in Qld to say they don't want it/don't like it, yet few actually lived in it. Yes there was the trial but if you wanted a trial to fail that was it. Bit like Howard providing the Republican study.

Strangly enough I also find most Qld'ers actually still quote cows and curtains as the reason against.

Other reasons
- Don't need it!
Wrong, Qld has less daylight in summer than down south

- Its too hot
BS, lived there, not an issue. Its not hot ever day and on weekends doesn't seem to slow people down

- Too hot when kids walk home from school
BS, how many are driven and how far do they walk? Walk 500m from bus stop in Dubai Summer, then get back to me

-  Cannot get kids to sleep?
Then wear a condom when you have sex if you cannot manage that bit. Again down south is not an issue. Kids also get up with the sun too so I suppose these same people enjoy the kids comig into say hello at 5am.

- Its dark when they go to school
Its dark in winter when they go to school too, not everyone goes to school at 6am, ok I did, big deal. Its called street lights

- Farmers, do not work by the clock, they work by daylight hours, so really they don't give a crap, but oppose because thats what they do.

Ironically Qld basically has permanent daylight saving as work starts and finishes much eariler in Qld tha I found in NSW or Tas in many industries. Not uncommon to start work in construction at 5am. Go to a pub and at 9:30pm during the week and you are almost on your own.


What I used to hate about Qld summers at work was coming home, 2h and its all dark. In NSW and Tas I'd have 3-5 hour of light to do stuff, work in the yard, go to the beach, basically anything outside, lots of time for. Qld, nope!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
DirtyBallast
The idea is to move excess daylight from early morning of summer that isn't fully uterlised to evening when people enjoy an outside lifestyle or activities. So pretty pointless to go 30min all year round and then in winter it is dark to around 730 am.
  s3_gunzel Not a gunzel developer

Location: Western Sydney, AU
Daylight savings again and we have only just got into some morning daylight.

Way too early?
bevans
Let me ask an alternative question: is there a point in screwing with everyone’s body clocks now?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Strangly enough I also find most Qld'ers actually still quote cows and curtains as the reason against.
RTT_Rules
I don't see the point. When we had the trial in Qld I was much younger and fitter and had young children. I would come home from work, work outside until dark, then come in and have a shower before dinner. It would be 10pm before we could send the kids to bed. I have lived in the UK with daylight saving. I've also holidayed in the UK, NZ, NSW, Vic & Tas during daylight saving. I don't mind it when on holidays, it gives you more time for sightseeing, we are generally late to bed and not early risers.

I did find daylight saving a bit strange in NZ, it wasn't light until about 8:00am!
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Daylight savings again and we have only just got into some morning daylight.

Way too early?
Let me ask an alternative question: is there a point in screwing with everyone’s body clocks now?
s3_gunzel
A 1h chang over a weekend is that upsetting?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Strangly enough I also find most Qld'ers actually still quote cows and curtains as the reason against.
I don't see the point. When we had the trial in Qld I was much younger and fitter and had young children. I would come home from work, work outside until dark, then come in and have a shower before dinner. It would be 10pm before we could send the kids to bed. I have lived in the UK with daylight saving. I've also holidayed in the UK, NZ, NSW, Vic & Tas during daylight saving. I don't mind it when on holidays, it gives you more time for sightseeing, we are generally late to bed and not early risers.

I did find daylight saving a bit strange in NZ, it wasn't light until about 8:00am!
Graham4405
Why 10pm?

My bed time was 8:30pm until mid high school when it became 9pm as I got up at 5'ish am to go to school.

Qld is a holiday destination!

Shouldn't matter, beig on holidays isn't my driver as on holidays as on holidays I don't live by the clock and I'm not limited to a few hours of daylight after working.
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Daylight savings again and we have only just got into some morning daylight.

Way too early?
Let me ask an alternative question: is there a point in screwing with everyone’s body clocks now?
s3_gunzel
Shift your times 10min per day to spread it over a week.

Thanks to the roughly 2min shift per day from the days getting longer and the daily variations in early morning lighting conditions from the weather, screwing with body clocks can be completely eliminated with just a little bit of discipline.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Try working shift work then. No such thing as a body clock.  Even worse when you are not on the same roster for a week at a time.   My last 7 shifts have had 7 different starting times varying between 7 am and 6 pm.
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I hate daylight saving with a passion. Thank goodness I live in Queensland!
"Graham4405"
As a matter of academic interest, why do you hate it?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
DirtyBallast
Could be.
I propose this every year and get howled down (you will all see how concerned I am at that) but whatever we do or not we should align the EST and SA/NT time zones.
I realise that the thousands who live at Barton will be outraged.
  route14 Chief Commissioner

Interestingly, North Korea has made a 15 minute difference in their standard time just to be different from South Korea.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Why 10pm?
RTT_Rules

Light until 8:30pm, undress/shower etc/dress 9:00pm, dinner and family time, easily 10:00pm...
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Here's an alternative view, for discussion.

We have just moved the clocks forward and hour. Consider, should we have just moved them forward half an hour, and left it there forever and a day?
The idea is to move excess daylight from early morning of summer that isn't fully uterlised to evening when people enjoy an outside lifestyle or activities. So pretty pointless to go 30min all year round and then in winter it is dark to around 730 am.
Except that you would obviously get more daylight at the end of the day in winter, when it is more valuable than in summer. You're going to go to work in the dark anyway so no difference there.
DirtyBallast

Use Melbourne as an example

summer solstice in DST
5:55 AM - 8:42 pm + twilight which is >1 h

In GMT
4:55 AM - 7:42 PM

Winter solstice in GMT

7:36 AM - 5:10 PM + twilight which is
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Parents: "Kids must be in bed by 8:30 because I said so!"
Also parents: "Bloody kids woke me up early again."

And you can't say curtain fade if you also say kids can't get to sleep because of the extra light.

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