RMT warns of strike action over driverless tube trains

 

News article: RMT warns of strike action over driverless tube trains

The RMT union has warned that it may take action if the government presses ahead with plans for driverless trains on the London Underground.

  62440 Chief Commissioner

When the Victoria Line opened in the 60's, it was designed to be driverless but it was felt that people would not like to see a train with no driver. Indeed, the opening event had HM the Queen pushing the button to set the train in motion. The person at the front of the train did not drive it. You have a driverless complex network on the DLR, I have travelled the SkyRail network in Vancouver, Singapore, SkiTube and many others. Driverless trains are mature technology.

RMT warns of strike action over driverless tube trains

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  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
When the Victoria Line opened in the 60's, it was designed to be driverless but it was felt that people would not like to see a train with no driver. Indeed, the opening event had HM the Queen pushing the button to set the train in motion. The person at the front of the train did not drive it. You have a driverless complex network on the DLR, I have travelled the SkyRail network in Vancouver, Singapore, SkiTube and many others. Driverless trains are mature technology.

RMT warns of strike action over driverless tube trains
62440
I recall Central Line Cravens sets being set up as driverless and running on the Woodford - Hainault section as a trial in the early '60s. I possibly have a photo somewhere...
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
For last 12 years over 600,000 people a day ride the Dubai Metro which is just two lines with a recently added branch to Expo and new airport. Trains carry a customer service officer who if required can operate the train, but actually spends most of their time chasing men out of the ladies section and economy class out of Gold Class.
  GoldenGirl Junior Train Controller

For last 12 years over 600,000 people a day ride the Dubai Metro which is just two lines with a recently added branch to Expo and new airport. Trains carry a customer service officer who if required can operate the train, but actually spends most of their time chasing men out of the ladies section and economy class out of Gold Class.
RTT_Rules
Trust Dubai to have a class system on their metro.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Aaron
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
For last 12 years over 600,000 people a day ride the Dubai Metro which is just two lines with a recently added branch to Expo and new airport. Trains carry a customer service officer who if required can operate the train, but actually spends most of their time chasing men out of the ladies section and economy class out of Gold Class.
Trust Dubai to have a class system on their metro.
GoldenGirl
The ladies carriage is optional, not compulsory for ladies to use. Ladies only cars are also not limited to Dubai as now growing in popularity globally.  

As for Gold Class. If the average longer distance suburban commuter in Sydney or Melbourne could pay say $3-5 extra per trip to be guarateed a high back comfortable seat that occupy just 50% of one carriage which includes a forward facing view of the track, do you think they would fill the seats?
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
BaysideManny
like....?
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
like....?
RTT_Rules
Are their jobs going to be reclassified? Will they lose out on pay and have to accept lower wages because of reclassification. Will they have to undertake other duties due to automation?

There is a lot of IR have to take place to get an agreement. This isn't the UAE. You cant just bring in automation over existing lines. The DLR is different. It was designed from the outset as an automated light rail network.


Mannie
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
BaysideManny
I knew there was nothing to this before I read the article, and I still read the article. I don’t think you did, and if you did, I don’t think you understood what it said.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
like....?
Are their jobs going to be reclassified? Will they lose out on pay and have to accept lower wages because of reclassification. Will they have to undertake other duties due to automation?

There is a lot of IR have to take place to get an agreement. This isn't the UAE. You cant just bring in automation over existing lines. The DLR is different. It was designed from the outset as an automated light rail network.


Mannie
BaysideManny
I posted too soon, and now I see it confirmed! You didn’t read the article, or if you did, you didn’t understand what it said.

Read it (again, if you have), you’ll get it sooner or later.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
like....?
Are their jobs going to be reclassified? Will they lose out on pay and have to accept lower wages because of reclassification. Will they have to undertake other duties due to automation?

There is a lot of IR have to take place to get an agreement. This isn't the UAE. You cant just bring in automation over existing lines. The DLR is different. It was designed from the outset as an automated light rail network.


Mannie
I posted too soon, and now I see it confirmed! You didn’t read the article, or if you did, you didn’t understand what it said.

Read it (again, if you have), you’ll get it sooner or later.
Aaron
I did not read that article. Consultants will state that it will cost too much for the entire network to be automated.

You are right. The Drivers have nothing to worry about. So no need to strike.


Mannie
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
like....?
Are their jobs going to be reclassified? Will they lose out on pay and have to accept lower wages because of reclassification. Will they have to undertake other duties due to automation?

There is a lot of IR have to take place to get an agreement. This isn't the UAE. You cant just bring in automation over existing lines. The DLR is different. It was designed from the outset as an automated light rail network.


Mannie
BaysideManny
Cannot blame people for liking automatio, but if your job is declassified because of automation then really you don't have a leg to stand on. Industrial revolution started 400 years ago doing this, we have all been there. Yes to retain their pay they will no doubt have to take on extra duties and some may actually enjoy the change. If they don't like it, take a redundency and start a new career/retire etc.  Sounds harsh and people need to be treated with respect when it happens, but its not the first time and they are unlikely to win.

UAE didn't bring automation over existing lines, they built new. Like Sydney Metro and why it was built. The freight line being built isn't automated. The tram was built with an operator.

The French, Singapore and others have automated legacy lines, not impossible, but easier when the lines are stand alone rather than like the Sydney mess.
  BaysideManny Junior Train Controller

Surprise, surprise, another union going on strike over nothing, and hastening their own demise.
Over nothing? There is a lot more to this then you imagine Aaron.


Mannie
like....?
Are their jobs going to be reclassified? Will they lose out on pay and have to accept lower wages because of reclassification. Will they have to undertake other duties due to automation?

There is a lot of IR have to take place to get an agreement. This isn't the UAE. You cant just bring in automation over existing lines. The DLR is different. It was designed from the outset as an automated light rail network.


Mannie
Cannot blame people for liking automatio, but if your job is declassified because of automation then really you don't have a leg to stand on. Industrial revolution started 400 years ago doing this, we have all been there. Yes to retain their pay they will no doubt have to take on extra duties and some may actually enjoy the change. If they don't like it, take a redundency and start a new career/retire etc.  Sounds harsh and people need to be treated with respect when it happens, but its not the first time and they are unlikely to win.

UAE didn't bring automation over existing lines, they built new. Like Sydney Metro and why it was built. The freight line being built isn't automated. The tram was built with an operator.

The French, Singapore and others have automated legacy lines, not impossible, but easier when the lines are stand alone rather than like the Sydney mess.
RTT_Rules
I am not disputing what you say. I am just stating that it is not for nothing why drivers take Industrial Action.

In London Underground's case the sheer cost of bringing automation to the whole network maybe prohibitive.


Mannie

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