EV subsidy

 
  RTT_Rules Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Dubai UAE
I should have added

1. Hilux at 28,000 units  - Currently no EV/HEV/PHEV option in this class of car
2. Ranger - Currently no EV/HEV
/PHEV option in this class of car
3. Rav 4 - HEV option available in model and class, some EV options available in class
4. CX-5 - HEV option available in model and class, some EV options available in class
5. Corolla - HEV option available in model and class, some EV options available in class
6. D-max - Currently no EV/HEV/PHEV option in this class of car
7. Triton - Currently no EV/HEV/PHEV option in this class of car
8. i30 - some HEV/EV options available in class
9. Landcruiser - Currently no EV/HEV/PHEV option in this class of car
10. Kia Cerato - some HEV/EV options available in class

5 of Australia's Top 10 cars selling around 20 - 25% of the market sale have no EV or HEV options available (globally)

Other 5 have either PHEV, HEV and EV but in limited numbers, not all currently available to Australia and most only recently and some of the EV options still have limited range. Tesla Model Y for example clearly has good range, but still not matching its petrol counter parts.

So whether the Twizy availability or not won't have even a measurable impact on EV sales.

EV sales numbers in Australia will not pick up significantly until dual cabs come with EV/PHEV options, rumoured for 2023/2024 in some brands as a starter. But also away from heavy 4x4 market more EV/PHEV options available in brand loyal buyers such as Audi, BMW, Merc etc and not just one model in their range, the bulk of their range, which is coming. VW/Audi will offer EV option in every model within I think its 5 years.

Of course Australia's biggest car seller Toyota, historically stumbingly sticking with HEV and H2 and publically talking down EV's will make it very hard for EV sales to improve unless they change which I suspect they will in the face of growing competition with the non hydro-carbon fuelled market.
RTT_Rules
EDIT, I see Toyota has finally woken up and put out a Rav4 (but slightly bigger) type EV that will go on sale shortly. Watch the H2 light vehicle or at least car business come quietly to a end over the next two years.

EDIT2: EV battery's are close to breaking below $100/kWh (less than 10% of the cost of the original Tesla Model S battery), which is around the cost of petrol cars. So this will shortly remove price as a road block for EV's range, charge time ad fast charger access are still improving and won't be long before these also become nom issues.

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  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
1) In Europe and the U.S, there is legislation allowing lighter four-wheelers to be designed to requirements either no more stringent than either three-wheel mopeds or no more stringent than motor tricycles. The U.S has such legislation too, they have the categories of low speed vehicles and neighborhood electric vehicle. Australian design rules don't have such a provision.
Myrtone
LOL Neighbourhood electric vehicle.

We are not Europe.

There is a reason that we do not have bulk recycling at high density areas on the street, because in our culture we will fill those bins with rubbish, if they are on the street unattended. They have it in most major European cities, due to the fact they have very high density living and it has been for multi generations. They will not "trash" the asset.

Same as a car, there is a chance that they will not "trash" a multi access vehicle as they will like to have access to a car with lower cost, but understand the responsibility and trade off is that they will not leave their crap in the car and that booking in peak periods mean that they may not get it.

In OZ we pay for convenience. We love it and happily pay a price. No way that a communal share arrangement will work. For two reasons.
  1. No one will respect it and will leave their rubbish in it and won't take responsibility to clean and maintain it.
  2. Everyone will expect to have access to it when they want it.

In OZ will want to have the ability to have a car/bike when we want it. Irrespective of the price that is paid.

Some people will be attracted to it, but in reality they will be in the fringe. Just like communal gardens. They are wonderful, but the majority are happy to buy their produce for the convenience factor.

Our culture is on demand, not to nurture and share. The model to work here would mean more EVs to cater for peak than for linear usage spread throughout the day. Simply the capital for those extra assets would push the need for revenue up.

We are similar to the US. You will see pockets of this in Sydney and Melbourne, but it will not be mainstream, as the vast majority will be ownership or in the long term lease.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
No, and whilst ‘never’ is a strong word, they likely never will be.
Aaron
But they are legal for road use in the U.S as well as Europe, and maybe Canada too.

‘Neighbourhood electric vehicle’? Do you know what that really is? Don’t get excited about that class of vehicle being allowed in the Australian design rules. Even if it is, you’ll never be in the type of ‘neighbourhood’ where they’re allowed to be used.

I’ll give you a hint, in the US, if you went to one of the ‘neighbourhoods’ where vehicles like the Twizy are legal for use on a road, they wouldn’t even let you look through the gate, let alone pass through the gate, forget driving a Twizy there, they won’t even let you see a Twizy there.
Aaron
In the U.S they are allowed on roads with speed limits of up to 40km/h, see this article.

As for my note 2, I didn't say the U.S has larger trucks than Australia but like us have larger trucks than Europe.

LOL Neighbourhood electric vehicle.

We are not Europe.
Big J
But the U.S has legislation allowing for them too, it is shared between Europe and North America but not Australia.

There is a reason that we do not have bulk recycling at high density areas on the street, because in our culture we will fill those bins with rubbish, if they are on the street unattended. They have it in most major European cities, due to the fact they have very high density living and it has been for multi generations. They will not "trash" the asset.
Big J
Does North America have this?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Why should we subsidize the sales of vehicles that suck up resources like Nickel which have significant environmental impacts in its mining and production?

https://www.drive.com.au/news/electric-vehicle-surge-hit-by-nickel-shortage/

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