Stadler contract for KiwiRail South Island locomotives

 
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
KiwiRail has selected Stadler of Switzerland to supply 57 3000KW mainline locomotives for use in the South Island and on passenger services. This is Stadler’s first contract in New Zealand. More details in Stadler’s press release https://www.stadlerrail.com/media/pdf/2021_1011_media%20release_kiwirail_en.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2iN-ZIjsrB2RddKdfA2wepjK7DfcRSqHxWTba5qt2eEODkebuOmKrbV2w

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  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
KiwiRail has selected Stadler of Switzerland to supply 57 3000kW mainline locomotives for use in the South Island and on passenger services. This is Stadler’s first contract in New Zealand. More details in Stadler’s press release https://www.stadlerrail.com/media/pdf/2021_1011_media%20release_kiwirail_en.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2iN-ZIjsrB2RddKdfA2wepjK7DfcRSqHxWTba5qt2eEODkebuOmKrbV2w
Alphatron
What class code will these locos use? Ds? Dv? Dz? etc.?
  lkernan Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
The DL class experience has impressed them so little they decided a Swiss loco was a better option?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Something of a surprise!
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
57 is a big order would they have considered DMU's/EMU's for passenger?
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Iirc the original plan was 100 locomotives, these will likely take over everything loco hauled.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is there any electrification either existing our planned for the South Island?
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
Is there any electrification either existing our planned for the South Island?
bevans
No there isn’t any electrification in the South Island, the former 1600VDc electrification between Christchurch and Lyttleton being removed in the late 1960s and that through the Otira Tunnel going in the early 1990s. It’s very unlikely that any new sections will be installed, unless some form of electrified suburban passenger services are introduced in Christchurch in future, which doesn’t seem likely
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Is there any electrification either existing our planned for the South Island?
No there isn’t any electrification in the South Island, the former 1600VDc electrification between Christchurch and Lyttleton being removed in the late 1960s and that through the Otira Tunnel going in the early 1990s. It’s very unlikely that any new sections will be installed, unless some form of electrified suburban passenger services are introduced in Christchurch in future, which doesn’t seem likely
Alphatron

Appreciate the detail.

the former 1600VDc electrification between Christchurch and Lyttleton being removed in the late 1960s
Somebody

Was this used for both freight and passenger?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
KiwiRail has selected Stadler of Switzerland to supply 57 3000KW mainline locomotives for use in the South Island and on passenger services. This is Stadler’s first contract in New Zealand. More details in Stadler’s press release https://www.stadlerrail.com/media/pdf/2021_1011_media%20release_kiwirail_en.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2iN-ZIjsrB2RddKdfA2wepjK7DfcRSqHxWTba5qt2eEODkebuOmKrbV2w
Alphatron
'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
YM-Mundrabilla
YM, you are far too straight forward and fairdinkum. These days to be taken seriously you have to be vague, rubbery, fluffy, and definitely not definite. You need some some wriggle room in case you want to do a scomo and dump the deal. And, anyway, those who draw up these agreements may well be primed to be the beneficiaries if said agreements don't really go the way as some might have conceived in the first place.
  M636C Minister for Railways

A really strange looking locomotive...
Like a cartoon version of the CRRC DL class...

The artist's impression shows the number 10001, which shows that Stadler don't understand the NZR numbering system.

The 10000 series is used by the existing electric locomotives.
10001 isn't a correct number for an NZR locomotive.

Peter

Edit: the NZ electric locomotives are in the 30000 series, not 10000
That's what comes from not going there for twenty years - sorry
  GT46C-ACe Deputy Commissioner

Location: Gold Coast QLD
Had a fairly dumb argument over the wikipedia article with it's author who seems to believe the provided image is correct number wise if they come as the DS Class....
  M636C Minister for Railways

Had a fairly dumb argument over the wikipedia article with it's author who seems to believe the provided image is correct number wise if they come as the DS Class....
GT46C-ACe
As I indicated in my edit above, I was wrong about the number.
The electric locos had the first five digit numbers but they were in the 30000 series

So it is possible that the Stadler numbers will start at 10001.

I'm not sure how the class letters interact with the check digit, particularly on the electrics that originally at least didn't display a class.

I stand by my comment on the appearance - it is just odd.

https://www.facebook.com/BoeingPukeko/posts/4289845601084316

Peter
  justapassenger Minister for Railways

Lol at all the gunzels who are so deeply lost in their own worlds that they can’t tell that 10001 is obviously just a placeholder for the press release graphic.
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
YM, you are far too straight forward and fairdinkum. These days to be taken seriously you have to be vague, rubbery, fluffy, and definitely not definite. You need some some wriggle room in case you want to do a scomo and dump the deal. And, anyway, those who draw up these agreements may well be primed to be the beneficiaries if said agreements don't really go the way as some might have conceived in the first place.
Lockspike
Thanks Lockspike.
Does that mean that there are now two of us who are 'straight forward and fairdinkum' ? Smile
I see in some other publicity that NZR now refer to their locomotives as 'machines'. Probably something to do with their sexuality, perhaps. Rolling Eyes
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
Is there any electrification either existing our planned for the South Island?
No there isn’t any electrification in the South Island, the former 1600VDc electrification between Christchurch and Lyttleton being removed in the late 1960s and that through the Otira Tunnel going in the early 1990s. It’s very unlikely that any new sections will be installed, unless some form of electrified suburban passenger services are introduced in Christchurch in future, which doesn’t seem likely

Appreciate the detail.

the former 1600VDc electrification between Christchurch and Lyttleton being removed in the late 1960s

Was this used for both freight and passenger?
bevans
Yes the electrification was provided because of the Lyttleton Tunnel and so was used for both freight and passenger services until diesels replaced steam operation in the South Island in the late 1960s.
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
YM, you are far too straight forward and fairdinkum. These days to be taken seriously you have to be vague, rubbery, fluffy, and definitely not definite. You need some some wriggle room in case you want to do a scomo and dump the deal. And, anyway, those who draw up these agreements may well be primed to be the beneficiaries if said agreements don't really go the way as some might have conceived in the first place.
Lockspike
The frame agreement between KiwiRail and Stadler covers both an initial order of 57 locomotives at a cost of approx 228 million euros but also allows for further batches to be ordered without having to go back to open tenders.
  Alphatron Station Master

Location: Wellington
'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
YM, you are far too straight forward and fairdinkum. These days to be taken seriously you have to be vague, rubbery, fluffy, and definitely not definite. You need some some wriggle room in case you want to do a scomo and dump the deal. And, anyway, those who draw up these agreements may well be primed to be the beneficiaries if said agreements don't really go the way as some might have conceived in the first place.
The frame agreement between KiwiRail and Stadler covers both an initial order of 57 locomotives at a cost of approx 228 million euros but also allows for further batches to be ordered without having to go back to open tenders.
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

This loco looks like a British class 68. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_68
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
'... Stadler and KiwiRail have signed a long-term framework agreement with a first call off for the supply of 57 diesel mainline locomotives. ...'

What does this actually mean?

Is it a straightforward order for 57 Stadler locomotives for delivery between whenever and whenever?

As a dinosaur, I come from an era when one called tenders for '# whatevers' and, having evaluated the tenders submitted, chose a contractor and issued a contract for the 'manufacture, supply and delivery of # whatevers' at a specified price and point of delivery.
YM, you are far too straight forward and fairdinkum. These days to be taken seriously you have to be vague, rubbery, fluffy, and definitely not definite. You need some some wriggle room in case you want to do a scomo and dump the deal. And, anyway, those who draw up these agreements may well be primed to be the beneficiaries if said agreements don't really go the way as some might have conceived in the first place.
The frame agreement between KiwiRail and Stadler covers both an initial order of 57 locomotives at a cost of approx 228 million euros but also allows for further batches to be ordered without having to go back to open tenders.
Alphatron
So it is an order for 57 locos at a cost of 228 Euros with the potential for a future contract extension on the basis of having already 'tested the market'.  Simple huh - why couldn't that say that? Why does everyone talk in riddles??
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
This loco looks like a British class 68. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_68
duttonbay
I hope not but seems likely - either way I wish them success!
  duttonbay Minister for Railways

That was an assumption. Here's Stadler's announcement. It's on Facebook, but is public:

https://www.facebook.com/stadlerglobal/photos/a.1208899015860715/4433279773422607/
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
That was an assumption. Here's Stadler's announcement. It's on Facebook, but is public:

https://www.facebook.com/stadlerglobal/photos/a.1208899015860715/4433279773422607/
duttonbay
Fair enough but occasionally some already accepted design features carry over between models eg GM to CL nose and ALF to 422 cab outlines. Regardless, the mock up looks better than the BR class 68 et al. Time will tell.

I hope that Stadler give the Chinese a run for their money in any case.
  nz87 Beginner

Had a fairly dumb argument over the wikipedia article with it's author who seems to believe the provided image is correct number wise if they come as the DS Class....
GT46C-ACe
Yeah it was a fairly dumb argument... don't worry, the article title's now changed. It's kinda amusing how invested everyone gets in the classification rather than the actual stuff that matters (e.g. toilets on locos!)

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