New locomotives for PN

 
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Given they seem to be imminently losing the steel traffic, you wonder what will replace it as part of their projected increases?

Adding they have lost a lot of traffic in Victoria.
That doesn't agree with my observations.
Fatty
PN have or are about to loose the steel contract and the Sadlers contract. With talk of Aurizon buying graincorp, they could very well loose all of those contracts as well. I guess with lockdown not all of us can see what you sound like you are, but care to share?

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  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Given they seem to be imminently losing the steel traffic, you wonder what will replace it as part of their projected increases?

Adding they have lost a lot of traffic in Victoria.
That doesn't agree with my observations.
PN have or are about to loose the steel contract and the Sadlers contract. With talk of Aurizon buying graincorp, they could very well loose all of those contracts as well. I guess with lockdown not all of us can see what you sound like you are, but care to share?
Galron
I'm not at all interested in grain and have no idea what bulk are doing in Victoria but I wish them well. Intermodal loading has been very strong since the start of the pandemic with extra Perth and Brisbane "peak" services running continuously since early 2020. I strongly suspect that PN purposely priced themselves out of Sadleirs due to the increased East West container traffic to increase profitability. Sadleirs traffic finished at the end of last month and Melbourne Perth services are still running at close maximum length.

Yes, steel is going but I don't know what the "lot of traffic" PN have lost in addition to the steel in Victoria Bevans is speaking of.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I'm not at all interested in grain and have no idea what bulk are doing in Victoria but I wish them well. Intermodal loading has been very strong since the start of the pandemic with extra Perth and Brisbane "peak" services running continuously since early 2020. I strongly suspect that PN purposely priced themselves out of Sadleirs due to the increased East West container traffic to increase profitability. Sadleirs traffic finished at the end of last month and Melbourne Perth services are still running at close maximum length.

Yes, steel is going but I don't know what the "lot of traffic" PN have lost in addition to the steel in Victoria Bevans is speaking of.
Fatty
50% of Traffic which Bevans complains about, would have been lost irregardless of operator... Cant really load, say, logs or fuel on rail if the main supplier doesnt want to have a rail loader for fuel traffic/cant load a train of logs due to no product *due to major bushfires*.

PN still have the non bluescope Whyalla steel traffic IIRC.
  Typhon Assistant Commissioner

Location: I'm that freight train tearing through the sky in the clouds.
Given they seem to be imminently losing the steel traffic, you wonder what will replace it as part of their projected increases?

Adding they have lost a lot of traffic in Victoria.
That doesn't agree with my observations.
PN have or are about to loose the steel contract and the Sadlers contract. With talk of Aurizon buying graincorp, they could very well loose all of those contracts as well. I guess with lockdown not all of us can see what you sound like you are, but care to share?
I'm not at all interested in grain and have no idea what bulk are doing in Victoria but I wish them well. Intermodal loading has been very strong since the start of the pandemic with extra Perth and Brisbane "peak" services running continuously since early 2020. I strongly suspect that PN purposely priced themselves out of Sadleirs due to the increased East West container traffic to increase profitability. Sadleirs traffic finished at the end of last month and Melbourne Perth services are still running at close maximum length.

Yes, steel is going but I don't know what the "lot of traffic" PN have lost in addition to the steel in Victoria Bevans is speaking of.
Fatty

This.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I don’t remember having seen this information before – suggesting that eventually up to 123 units could be involved, with an initial firm order for 50.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/traction-and-rolling-stock/pacific-national-orders-ugl-evolution-diesel-locomotives/60106.article?ID
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I don’t remember having seen this information before – suggesting that eventually up to 123 units could be involved, with an initial firm order for 50.

https://www.railwaygazette.com/traction-and-rolling-stock/pacific-national-orders-ugl-evolution-diesel-locomotives/60106.article?ID
Jack Le Lievre
Interesting but not surprising that they plan on replacing the entire NR fleet.
  BDA Chief Commissioner

Location: Sydney
I'd be thinking more likely the 80s 81s 82s DLs ANs 90s , pretty much anything pre NR first .

If the eco Nazis start acting up these would be the greatest liability .
Also consumption wise the old girls would be more expensive to run nowdays .
  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
I'd be thinking more likely the 80s 81s 82s DLs ANs 90s , pretty much anything pre NR first .

If the eco Nazis start acting up these would be the greatest liability .
Also consumption wise the old girls would be more expensive to run nowdays .
BDA
I think the NRs will replace the locos that you mention and these new locos will take over as the primary traction for intermodal.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Aurizon is certainly a fair way through retiring its 645-engined fleet. I'd suspect the 645-engined classes will go first, plus the Alcos
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  Fatty Deputy Commissioner

Location: Melbourne
Aurizon is certainly a fair way through retiring its 645-engined fleet. I'd suspect the 645-engined classes will go first, plus the Alcos
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Sulla1
From what I hear you're spot on. The 81s are rumoured to be on the chopping block soon.
  Donald Chief Commissioner

Location: Donald. Duck country.
Cascade the NRs down to Rural & Bulk?
  YM-Mundrabilla Minister for Railways

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
Cascade the NRs down to Rural & Bulk?
Donald
Are NRs permitted EVERYWHERE that the Gs, BLs and 81s are allowed or will this create yet another anti competitive facet to rail like speeds, fuel capacity, single ended operation and overall axle loads etc?
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
Cascade the NRs down to Rural & Bulk?
Are NRs permitted EVERYWHERE that the Gs, BLs and 81s are allowed or will this create yet another anti competitive facet to rail like speeds, fuel capacity, single ended operation and overall axle loads etc?
YM-Mundrabilla
Dont know about outside of Vic, but you wouldn't want to even try and put an NR on the branches like the portland, rainbow, houpeton or oaklands line. The latter currently has a 30km/h speed restriction on it for most of its length, with 10km/h over the last 50 or so km. We know an NR has been put on the mildura line as far as Dunolly, but was fuel/weight restricted. Probably would be a stretch to think they could make Melbourne-yelta (and murrayville) and back on a tank.

In vic at least, the legacy vic classes like the G/XR and their variants will still have a place for a while yet

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