Benalla residents delighted with plans to realign city's track connecting Inland Rail

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 23 Oct 2021 14:45
  justarider Chief Commissioner

Location: Released again, maybe for the last time??

It is not known how busy the Nunn Street (Midland Hwy) level crossing is. A subway to join the east and west side platforms and car parks would be essential and cheap.

Would this subway have a flooding problem?
WimbledonW
Possibly, the same as the current pedestrian subway entrance to the station.

Might not be so bad. If the water is that high, the line itself may be closed due to threat of inundation.

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  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
If the Up Main is realigned to use the former Broad Gauge crossing loop platform, and there is to be only one platform, then two extra crossovers are needed for Down trains to reach this platform.

A better option is to build the second platform for Down trains, and avoid the need for these extra crossovers.

Some videos though the whole station from 7 crossover to Yarrawonga Road xing would be helpful.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
If the Up Main is realigned to use the former Broad Gauge crossing loop platform, and there is to be only one platform, then two extra crossovers are needed for Down trains to reach this platform.

A better option is to build the second platform for Down trains, and avoid the need for these extra crossovers.

WimbledonW
Yes I doubt ARTC would sign off on Installing 2 extra crossovers and associated signaling (big$$$) for the convenience of passengers, building a second platform on the other running mainline, seems a straight forward option (cutting off pedestrian access from Hannah Street to the Railway Station doesn't seem right)
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
If the Up Main is realigned to use the former Broad Gauge crossing loop platform, and there is to be only one platform, then two extra crossovers are needed for Down trains to reach this platform.

A better option is to build the second platform for Down trains, and avoid the need for these extra crossovers.
Yes I doubt ARTC would sign off on Installing 2 extra crossovers and associated signaling (big$$$) for the convenience of passengers, building a second platform on the other running mainline, seems a straight forward option (cutting off pedestrian access from Hannah Street to the Railway Station doesn't seem right)
FYI, Hannah St is parallel to the railway on the Western (Country-Non Township) side. A Subway connecting the two platforms could extend to Hannah St.

See http://www.street-directory.com.au/?x=145.99328603751242&y=-36.546509006483556&l=13';


The local pressure group is "Better Benalla Rail" (BBR).
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland

The "new" plan is to demolish the absolute crap design from the early 1960s when one of the tracks was given over to SG
and re-instate the original, and quite stylish,  station precinct.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/60235713751760076/Which track in the 1960s was given over to SG?
duttonbay
No tracks were given over as part of the NESG construction (late 50's early 60's)
The SG bypassed the then extensive Benalla Railway precinct, by keeping a clear as possible, older photos show quite a few houses were demolished along Mackellar Street to make way for the new line.
The locomotive depot (originally a full round house) had some of It radial tracks demolished for the new SG
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Can someone centre the above Google map on the railway station?
WimbledonW

Let's see if this works:

  Lockspike Chief Commissioner

Agreed this belongs with InlanRail thread, however this change of plan is MOMENTOUS  !

The "new" plan is to demolish the absolute crap design from the early 1960s when one of the tracks was given over to SG
and re-instate the original, and quite stylish,  station precinct.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/60235713751760076/

Gone is the most ugly bridge the 1960s gave us.

Of course times have changed and the single platform is no longer adequate. Hence #2, using the now redundant extra roads north of the current platform.
A sensible design, heaps better than the original band-aid over the lipstick on a pig.

cheers
John
justarider
Any ideas about the crap / ugly way the SG was implemented back in the 50s/60s is more thoroughly understood when the mood of the period is known. The SG was designed and built by the VR who did not want it. It was considered an aberration imposed on Victoria by the Commonwealth Government (irrespective of the fact that it was part of Clapp's plan for uniform railway gauge). The VR planned and built it to have minimal impact on day to day BG operations, which is why it was placed on the Eastern side of the BG. This meant the SG running between the station and the town in many locations. AIUI, the SG was placed in a cutting at Wangaratta as it was considered unsightly when viewed from the town. I believe the SG could have been integrated better, but there was no mood to do so. Removing the 'loop' from out of the front of the stations is in my opinion a good thing, and in this case a good outcome for Benalla.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Can someone centre the above Google map on the railway station?

Let's see if this works:

Graham4405
@Graham4405 the map is very good and very helpful.

Does the Down Main south of the Nunn St lxing at 195.020km align with the current Down Platform as a straight or is there a slew? Similarly at the north end.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
Can someone centre the above Google map on the railway station?

Let's see if this works:

@Graham4405 the map is very good and very helpful.

Does the Down Main south of the Nunn St lxing at 195.020km align with the current Down Platform as a straight or is there a slew? Similarly at the north end.
WimbledonW
The original broad gauge mainline came off the Brocken River bridge and ran straight through the former road 2 (that once upon a time also had a platform) today It slews Into the platform road.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
So these slews will be straightened. Thanks. It is a little hard to see the tracks on the the map.

No turnout or signal alterations seem to be required, which saves a lot of cost and bother.
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
So these slews will be straightened. Thanks. It is a little hard to see the tracks on the the map.

No turnout or signal alterations seem to be required, which saves a lot of cost and bother.
WimbledonW
Signal alterations would be required around Nunn Street, that would be heavily reconfigured.

The old Signal Box Is probably In the way.
  Galron Chief Commissioner

Location: Werribee, Vic
In my interpretation of what has been presented by ARTC, there would appear to need to be some movement in the oaklands line to facilitate the new platform on what would be the new northern alignment, or am i misunderstanding the graphics.

I am assuming that there is no need or call from stakeholders for a triangle of sorts to be put in for direct Northern access to the oaklands line? or would it be considered out of scope of the inland rail brief?
  Nightfire Minister for Railways

Location: Gippsland
In my interpretation of what has been presented by ARTC, there would appear to need to be some movement in the oaklands line to facilitate the new platform on what would be the new northern alignment, or am i misunderstanding the graphics.

I am assuming that there is no need or call from stakeholders for a triangle of sorts to be put in for direct Northern access to the oaklands line? or would it be considered out of scope of the inland rail brief?
Galron
It looks like the Oaklands line and It's siding are to be slewed clear of the new platform (ARTC seem to be trying to wiggle their way out of retaining pedestrian access between the Railway Station and Hannah Street) Junction still at Nunn Street.

As for a triangle, there has been grain trains from Oaklands and Port Kambla that require disruptive shunting to reverse their train at the junction.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
Someone asked if there was any space between the old signal box B and the newly realigned Up Main.

See https://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/benalla14.html for the answer. There is. Smile

The new Up Main is on the alignment of the original "Crossing Loop" platform 1.
  WimbledonW Chief Train Controller

Location: Sydney
There IS space between the old signal box B and the current down main for the realigned Up main.

This used to be the Crossing Loop track.

See https://www.victorianrailways.net/signaling/completedia/benalla14.html

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