Freight rail into PoM drops again

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 05 Nov 2021 11:36
  8502 Assistant Commissioner

Is there any other way to see this outcome other than a major issue for port users, the environment and road users?

Broken branch lines, speed restrictions and bigger and bigger trucks are damaging the road network causing additional costs.

Freight rail into PoM drops again

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  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
No surprises there so far as Melbourne is concerned at least.
I have said it before (many times) rail to the Melbourne Docks for containers will not happen in the foreseeable future.
I liked the comment about Webb Dock not having a direct rail connection - it doesn't have a rail connection at all. It did, useless BG only of course but we swapped it for a football ground. Just shows our overall, long term good, priorities.
Crown Casino, Transurban and the AFL are running this state.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

I can't understand why the Webb Dock expansion was allowed to proceed without a rail link.

Well actually I can given the track record of this State.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I can't understand why the Webb Dock expansion was allowed to proceed without a rail link.

Well actually I can given the track record of this State.
Carnot

My sources advised the development requested the webb dock line be activated by the government would not permit it.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
This is the most telling:

Rail's market share of freight containers into the Port of Melbourne has plummeted to a new low of just over six per cent, according to the latest figures from the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission.

It's now dropped from nearly 14 per cent in 2013-14 to 6.1pc last financial year, down from 7.5pc the previous financial year.

The ACCC's annual Container Stevedoring Monitoring Report 2020-21 shows throughput at Australian ports has grown at an average rate of over five per cent a year in the past 20 years.

"If throughput continues to rise at such rate, then by 2030-31, it will grow to around 13 million TEU," the report found. But it said most freight was being carried by trucks.
Somebody

ALP Policy is certainly looking after the trucking industry and the VFF asked for larger trucks so they should also shoulder some of the blame?
  YM-Mundrabilla The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Mundrabilla but I'd rather be in Narvik
I can't understand why the Webb Dock expansion was allowed to proceed without a rail link.

Well actually I can given the track record of this State.

My sources advised the development requested the Webb dock line be activated by the government would not permit it.
bevans
There is nothing more important in Victoria than:
  1. Football
  2. Broad gauge
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
I can't understand why the Webb Dock expansion was allowed to proceed without a rail link.

Well actually I can given the track record of this State.

My sources advised the development requested the Webb dock line be activated by the government would not permit it.
There is nothing more important in Victoria than:
  1. Football
  2. Broad gauge
YM-Mundrabilla

and lockdowns
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
A damning report for the Victorian government.

No one has mentioned the increase in freight on rail to the port of Adelaide. Good news.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Might have been due to the fact Australias spat with China made exports of hay, logs and food products drop....
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
I can't understand why the Webb Dock expansion was allowed to proceed without a rail link.

Well actually I can given the track record of this State.

My sources advised the development requested the webb dock line be activated by the government would not permit it.
bevans
This reads as "We want you to spend all the money for us so we dont have to pay a cent towards something we want"
  james.au Minister for Railways

Location: Sydney, NSW
Might have been due to the fact Australias spat with China made exports of hay, logs and food products drop....
speedemon08
Ok, do the numbers - show us what the effect of this is vs the drop in rail freight overall.

Happy to be educated but i do like data to back up arguments when possible.
  historian Chief Commissioner

It might be helpful if people actually read the ACCC's report: https://www.accc.gov.au/publications/container-stevedoring-monitoring-report/container-stevedoring-monitoring-report-2020-21

The rail bits are pp71-3

The fall in rail share to PoM is tied to the development of the new container terminal at Webb Dock which, of course, is not rail served. In several other parts of the report it is noted that this new dock is preferred by shippers as it 1) reduces ship time (no need to go up the Yarra), and 2) can take larger ships. It's also a fully automated site.

The report notes that

Port of Melbourne and Patrick have agreed to construct a new rail terminal at Patrick’s Logistics Park to enable more freight to be delivered by rail. The Port of Melbourne is currently investing $125 million towards on-dock rail to increase efficiency by enhancing terminal capacity and improving rail terminal operations. This includes building infrastructure such as a new rail terminal interface with the container terminal at Swanson Dock East. This will lower the cost of transferring containers between rail and ships. By allowing longer trains, it will also provide greater operational flexibility in accessing the port. Port of Melbourne will commence construction of the on-dock rail at Swanson Dock in 2021–22 and plans to complete it by mid-2023.250 Although Webb Dock is not currently serviced by rail, Port of Melbourne plans to develop the Webb Dock Freight Link in the next 5 years.251 Port of Melbourne is also investing in the Port Rail Shuttle Network aimed at improving rail connection between the port and other major freight hubs, reducing the cost to use rail freight.252
ACCC p73

These details are not new, they are taken from the PoM's 2020 'Our Plan for Rail', which has been previously mentioned on Railpage.

(Incidentally, for anyone who has read any Australian shipping history, the themes identified in the ACCC's report are very familiar. The details have changed, of course, but the overall issues could have been written 100 years ago.)
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
Might have been due to the fact Australias spat with China made exports of hay, logs and food products drop....
Ok, do the numbers - show us what the effect of this is vs the drop in rail freight overall.

Happy to be educated but i do like data to back up arguments when possible.
james.au
The log train from Bordertown to PoM that ran a handful of times (was meant to be several times a week) was canned, and hasn't there been countless posts here about how the various hay containerisation people were affected by the dispute?

I'd also like to see the statistic of the freight not flowing through POM and directly transferring elsewhere too.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
In some good news, Swanson Dock has begun to be used again. QUBE have been doing container shuttles to DP world quite regularly in recent weeks.
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
The log train from Bordertown to PoM that ran a handful of times (was meant to be several times a week) was canned, and hasn't there been countless posts here about how the various hay containerisation people were affected by the dispute?

I'd also like to see the statistic of the freight not flowing through POM and directly transferring elsewhere too.
speedemon08

What was the dispute please?
  Carnot Minister for Railways

The log train from Bordertown to PoM that ran a handful of times (was meant to be several times a week) was canned, and hasn't there been countless posts here about how the various hay containerisation people were affected by the dispute?

I'd also like to see the statistic of the freight not flowing through POM and directly transferring elsewhere too.

What was the dispute please?
bevans
Trade dispute with China.  They banned the importation of timber logs from Australia.
  speedemon08 Mary

Location: I think by now you should have figured it out
In some good news, Swanson Dock has begun to be used again. QUBE have been doing container shuttles to DP world quite regularly in recent weeks.
Lachlan's Train Channel
As the trucks that run that traffic are doing the job of the Maryvale while the occupations are happening.
  Lachlan's Train Channel Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
In some good news, Swanson Dock has begun to be used again. QUBE have been doing container shuttles to DP world quite regularly in recent weeks.
As the trucks that run that traffic are doing the job of the Maryvale while the occupations are happening.
speedemon08
......Even though the Maryvale ran yesterday and there was also a train in Swanson Dock
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Really I cannot see the strategy to turn around the drop.

How will Port Shuttles really help when the goods could be placed on rail in regional centres.
  steve195 Train Controller

Really I cannot see the strategy to turn around the drop.

How will Port Shuttles really help when the goods could be placed on rail in regional centres.
bevans
Presumably they will help because the majority of goods at the port are coming to or from the metro area, not from the regions. There is probably more low hanging fruit in the regions since it's harder for rail to compete over short distances within Melbourne (and it would be nice to see some movement from the government on addressing that), but the port shuttles are attempting to tackle the really big traffic generators. That seems like a worthwhile endeavour, and all we can do is hope that the operators of the new terminals can make them an attractive proposition.
  Carnot Minister for Railways

Well this is interesting news.  PN to build a big intermodal at Little River...
https://www.bay939.com.au/news/local-news/130747-little-river-freight-jobs-bonanza
  Lachlan's Train Channel Train Controller

Location: probably taking a photo of 7901V
Well this is interesting news.  PN to build a big intermodal at Little River...
https://www.bay939.com.au/news/local-news/130747-little-river-freight-jobs-bonanza
Carnot
PN doing something to benefit the rail industry? Surely not.... strange times, and (if it actually happens) I love it

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