Problems I have had on the forums over the years

 
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
One problem I have had over the years on the forums is that much of what I point out get ignored by everyone else making we wonder if it doesn't warrant a response. I also ask a lot of questions that don't get answered, making me wonder if those who know the answer are withholding it.
Sometimes I point out a flaw/loophole in someone's reasoning and it gets ignored. For example, in this old thread, bits and pieces of the very first post were apparently ignored and because of what was ignored I asked "Can anyone here understand the difference between ample natural daylight and just any daylight, including civil twilight and what one gets in dull weather?"
I myself think in pictures first and when it comes to something like headlight use, I find it hard to believe someone failing to get a seemingly obvious picture could know better than me. I feel I am considering the sort of details a genius would consider.

I actually love to do research but often struggle with it.

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  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
For example, in this old thread, bits and pieces of the very first post were apparently ignored and because of what was ignored I asked "Can anyone here understand the difference between ample natural daylight and just any daylight, including civil twilight and what one gets in dull weather?"
"Myrtone"
Let's take that as an example. I think you didn't receive an answer possibly because nobody understood what you were talking about.
To me, "ample natural daylight" means enough daylight to accomplish what you want to do; "just any daylight" is meaningless to me. Daylight is daylight. Then, what on earth is "civil twilight"? . . . I've never heard the term. Finally,  dull weather obviously indicates that there is less direct sunlight due to full or partial cloud cover.
What sort of quantifiable answer were you expecting? Do we give one 100%; another one 85% and so on?  I'm not surprised that nobody answered because I think it's unanswerable.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Ample natural daylight refers to the amount we have on a sunny day with clear skies, especially in summer. Daylight actually begins before sunrise and ends after sunset and this is civil twilight. I comment like this to express myself precisely, I do this because of the pictures I get in my head.

I do need people who can understand the long and complex questions I like to ask and long and complex statements I like to make.
  viaprojects Chief Train Controller


Sometimes I point out a flaw/loophole in someone's reasoning and it gets ignored.
Myrtone

depends on the forum site and the rules of the site ..

sometimes some posts can be trolls and anything you say is ignored so you apply the herring policy of the site ..
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
Daylight actually begins before sunrise and ends after sunset and this is civil twilight.
Myrtone
Who said so? I have never heard the term. Is civil twilight different from twilight? If so, how?

I comment like this to express myself precisely, I do this because of the pictures I get in my head.
Myrtone
We can't see the pictures you get. What about using clear, plain, concise English? You are not expressing anything precisely; that's the problem. You are making up terms that suit your visions, and we have no idea what these visions are. Your "long and complex" language just confuses people.
Use the KISS principle - Keep It Simple, Son.
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Daylight actually begins before sunrise and ends after sunset and this is civil twilight.
Who said so? I have never heard the term. Is civil twilight different from twilight? If so, how?

I comment like this to express myself precisely, I do this because of the pictures I get in my head.
We can't see the pictures you get. What about using clear, plain, concise English? You are not expressing anything precisely; that's the problem. You are making up terms that suit your visions, and we have no idea what these visions are. Your "long and complex" language just confuses people.
Use the KISS principle - Keep It Simple, Son.
Valvegear
You cleaned that last bit up nicely VG
  wobert Chief Commissioner

Location: Banned
Daylight actually begins before sunrise and ends after sunset and this is civil twilight.
Who said so? I have never heard the term. Is civil twilight different from twilight? If so, how?

I comment like this to express myself precisely, I do this because of the pictures I get in my head.
We can't see the pictures you get. What about using clear, plain, concise English? You are not expressing anything precisely; that's the problem. You are making up terms that suit your visions, and we have no idea what these visions are. Your "long and complex" language just confuses people.
Use the KISS principle - Keep It Simple, Son.
You cleaned that last bit up nicely VG
  kitchgp Chief Commissioner

Civil, Nautical & Astronomical Twilight - measures of the angle of the geometric centre of the sun below the horizon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

Aviation uses civil dusk (last light), which in this part of the world is about sunset plus 30 minutes, after which you require a separate rating (in one form or another) to fly at night.
  railblogger Chief Commissioner

Location: At the back of the train, quitely doing exactly what you'd expect.
It's also likely that there are people here who have more knowledge and more experience in a given field than you do, in which case such a person is usually able to expose any flaws in the points that you make. But because your opinion conflicts with that, you don't necessarily consider the possibility of your statement (or parts of it) being incorrect, or the repercussions of any actions that you make (or propose).
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: Dalby Qld
Civil, Nautical & Astronomical Twilight - measures of the angle of the geometric centre of the sun below the horizon:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight

Aviation uses civil dusk (last light), which in this part of the world is about sunset plus 30 minutes, after which you require a separate rating (in one form or another) to fly at night.
kitchgp
That's all well and good for those familiar with the term(s). I've been on this planet for almost 70 years and this is the first I have heard of it. Thus, such terms are not in common usage. It would be handy for anyone using terms that are not in common everyday usage to supply the relevant information, as you have, thanks, or confine their posts to using lay terms that pretty much anyone can understand..
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

One problem I have had over the years on the forums is that much of what I point out get ignored by everyone else making we wonder if it doesn't warrant a response. I also ask a lot of questions that don't get answered, making me wonder if those who know the answer are withholding it.
Myrtone
When I first came across your posts on RP I was convinced you were trolling to annoy people: repeating over and over and over the need to remove pedestrian level crossings being one such example, but also the total word salads of some of your arguments.

The fact that things like this went on for so long across so many topics over a period of years made me realise that no one would bother being a troll for that long.

This, combined with your desire to be completionist on things like 100% level crossing removal and vaccinations made me realise that you are probably on the spectrum. The fact that you also cannot recognise when people have moved on from a topic suggests you could be Aspergers.

People on the spectrum tend to latch onto specific obscure details other people don't care about and then keep obsessing about it. Also they tend to become fixed in their positions and ways to the point where constructive argument is just a waste of time.

People don't have the time or interest to get stuck in your own endless non-terminating loop.

All the tests I do come up with Aspergers as a diagnosis, but I reject it because I can see my own differences and oddities. I don't think you can see why people respond to you differently.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
It is not just me that wants the full benefits of the vaccine reaped, plenty of others want that too. My desire to be completionist on level crossing removals comes from a commitment to built no new level crossings. If new level crossings are no longer welcome, then opportunities should be taken to close or grade separate existing ones. Not all level crossing removals unlock capacity, but maybe the ones that do should have a higher priority than new extensions to the existing network.
  Madjikthise Deputy Commissioner

Holy topic change Batman!
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
Not really a topic change. However, I am often unsure how I am supposed to explain a flaw/loophole in someone's reasoning.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

It is not just me that wants the full benefits of the vaccine reaped, plenty of others want that too. My desire to be completionist on level crossing removals comes from a commitment to built no new level crossings. If new level crossings are no longer welcome, then opportunities should be taken to close or grade separate existing ones. Not all level crossing removals unlock capacity, but maybe the ones that do should have a higher priority than new extensions to the existing network.
Myrtone
Sure, we all want the vaccination rate to be as high as possible and more level crossings gone, but most people don't spend the majority of their time driving home the same couple of points over and over. They make their point and then move on, unless its one of the endless political or personality based arguments that goes on here.

In the COVID thread no matter where the conversation goes amongst other contributors you continuously bring it back to the vaccination rate and "reaping the full benefits." That is fine, but you have told us 1000 times what you think. We get it.

This inability to see that the conversation has moved on is classic Asperger's.

If you feel that you have trouble communicating with people maybe a diagnosis would help you understand why you struggle.
  Mr. Lane Chief Commissioner

Not really a topic change. However, I am often unsure how I am supposed to explain a flaw/loophole in someone's reasoning.
Myrtone

What is the point of this thread if you are going to just find "loopholes" in peoples advice? You are asking why people react to you the way they do, but rather than listen you just say they are wrong.

Kinda reinforces my point.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
I often feel that I face criticism similar to what geniuses face, note that good ideas are often resisted at first. I also that if I bring up and idea and everyone disagrees, they may act as if unpopularity of an idea is a reason to dismiss it.
  michaelgm Chief Commissioner

I often feel that I face criticism similar to what geniuses face, note that good ideas are often resisted at first. I also that if I bring up and idea and everyone disagrees, they may act as if unpopularity of an idea is a reason to dismiss it.
Myrtone
Well you continue with that theory genius
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  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I often feel that I face criticism similar to what geniuses face, note that good ideas are often resisted at first. I also that if I bring up and idea and everyone disagrees, they may act as if unpopularity of an idea is a reason to dismiss it.
Myrtone
I often feel that I don't understand what you are talking about, now I know why - I had no idea I was reading the words of a genius!

So glad I decided not to get involved in this thread....... oh hang on....... a genius I am clearly not! LaughingLaughingLaughing
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
The only difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits. (Albert Einstein)
  Gman_86 Chief Commissioner

Location: Melton, where the sparks dare not roam!
I can not speak for others, only for myself.

If I open a new thread up like the one you linked too at the beginning of this thread, I will read about three lines, then give up.

If you are going to ask long-winded questions, while adding some confusing terminology that I can't relate too, I won't bother with answering your question. Instead, I will move on with my life.


Similarly, if you ask a question, then get an answer, try not to pick every single flaw in the answer you can. It gets tiresome and after a prolonged period of answering you back and forth, I have often given up.

Sometimes what you see as a flaw is simply another user not feeling the need to address a certain angle that you have then decided must be a flaw that you need to investigate it.

Essentially, what I am saying is, you make things much more difficult then they need to be.


As Valvegear put it, Keep it simple.

Also, you would do well not to ignore the well thought out replies of Mr. Lane.
  Myrtone Chief Commissioner

Location: North Carlton, Melbourne, Victoria
An example of a flaw in someone's reasoning is claiming that the reason a keyboard layout called the Dvorak Simpified Layout didn't become very popular and that the Sholes (QWERTY) layout still dominates is that the latter was the first to gain mass market acceptance. In light of all the technologies that have been dislodged since the 1930s when the Dvorak layout was introduced, this cannot be the only reason the Dvorak layout failed to take over the English speaking world.
  Jack Le Lievre Assistant Commissioner

Location: Moolap Station, Vic
I often feel that I face criticism similar to what geniuses face, note that good ideas are often resisted at first. I also that if I bring up and idea and everyone disagrees, they may act as if unpopularity of an idea is a reason to dismiss it.MyrtoneFor some reason, when I read the above-mentioned, I instantly thought ofWile E. Coyote GeniusI can not for the life of me think why.
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
I often feel that I face criticism similar to what geniuses face, note that good ideas are often resisted at first. I also that if I bring up and idea and everyone disagrees, they may act as if unpopularity of an idea is a reason to dismiss it.
Myrtone
I used to be a member of MENSA, but I never called, or would have thought of myself as a genius. Having met up with groups of genuine geniuses, and seen genuine genius in action, I can confidently say ‘you’re not a genius’ - you’re not even close.

Carl Sagan said it best when he said ‘But the fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.’
  Aaron The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: University of Adelaide SA
An example of a flaw in someone's reasoning is claiming that the reason a keyboard layout called the Dvorak Simpified Layout didn't become very popular and that the Sholes (QWERTY) layout still dominates is that the latter was the first to gain mass market acceptance. In light of all the technologies that have been dislodged since the 1930s when the Dvorak layout was introduced, this cannot be the only reason the Dvorak layout failed to take over the English speaking world.
Myrtone
It more or less is.

Sholes and Glidden had half a century, maybe more, on Dvorak. That’s an awful lot of machines and trained typists to need to replace and retrain for limited benefit. I can type proficiently on a standard keyboard, now Dvorak can tell us that his layout is faster and superior, but I just switched my keyboard to the Dvorak for typing this and my speed and accuracy are woeful. Outside of my iPad touchscreen where am I going to get a Dvorak keyboard? None of my computers at home, work, anywhere have a Dvorak keyboard, even if they did, would I spend hours/days/weeks to retrain myself to use it because it’s ‘allegedly’ ‘faster’? Of course not! And guess what, no one in the 1930s was going to either.

Typewriters were expensive, no one was going to spend money replacing working units and retraining typists because it ‘might have been faster’.

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