50 level crossings to be removed

 
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Old Geelong Rd LX removal date has, finally, been announced as December 9 (2021).

Old Geelong

Neil

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  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Simply present them with an alternative plan.  One which involves bulldozing sufficient houses to straighten the line, and keeping the two stations separate.  And then digging a trench to remove the level crossings.

I'm sure it would be a real winner with the locals Rolling Eyes.
Nah. SKYRAIL the lot. Really give them something to protest.Sad
justarider
Still have to bulldoze a truckload of houses to straighten the line out first Twisted Evil.
  Lockie91 Assistant Commissioner

Flurry of announcements in the last few days with Old Geelong Road also to be removed before year end.

It is going to be a busy four weeks with six new stations to open before Christmas.

Lockie
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Although not officially declared complete yet, have some of the crossings removed in the current works on Lilydale, Werribee, Frankston  and Williamstown lines been counted in the 47 declared yet officially ?
With a flurry of press releases this week, I'm losing track.
  ngarner Deputy Commissioner

Location: Seville
Although not officially declared complete yet, have some of the crossings removed in the current works on Lilydale, Werribee, Frankston  and Williamstown lines been counted in the 47 declared yet officially ?
With a flurry of press releases this week, I'm losing track.
Tii
Not a one that I am aware of - watch the tally change when these three lines reopen!

Neil
  SueB Locomotive Fireman

Location: Mt Evelyn
Just wanted to comment on the Lilydale level crossing removal.  We have lived in Lilydale for 14 years and have been watching the project take place.  It certainly will be an improvement on the old station and an improvement for bus users (as we are).  It's a pity it was a skyrail rather than under ground as the concrete is ugly coming down Maroondah Highway.  They've been spray painting some of the concrete near the station, but this will now become a haven for graffiti vandals.  I'm also hoping the toilets will be a big improvement on the old ones which you would only use if you were absolutely desperate.  You couldn't go in there without a gas mask on!  Having proper traffic lights will be much better too.  It was a nightmare before.

Only problem is it's still the same low life, beggars and drug users that frequent Lilydale station and I'm sure they will make a home of it.

I suppose Dan the man will be there are the opening in his hi-vis and hardhat spruiking the station.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Just wanted to comment on the Lilydale level crossing removal.  We have lived in Lilydale for 14 years and have been watching the project take place.  It certainly will be an improvement on the old station and an improvement for bus users (as we are).  It's a pity it was a skyrail rather than under ground as the concrete is ugly coming down Maroondah Highway.  They've been spray painting some of the concrete near the station, but this will now become a haven for graffiti vandals.  I'm also hoping the toilets will be a big improvement on the old ones which you would only use if you were absolutely desperate.  You couldn't go in there without a gas mask on!  Having proper traffic lights will be much better too.  It was a nightmare before.

Only problem is it's still the same low life, beggars and drug users that frequent Lilydale station and I'm sure they will make a home of it.

I suppose Dan the man will be there are the opening in his hi-vis and hardhat spruiking the station.
SueB
They are heavy looking structures I have to say. Some of the other LXR around the north look OK with coloured panels etc but here at Reservoir the supports are painted black and the main bridge piece is black steel also! So looks like a giant submarine on stilts. The trees will grow up and around it in time to soften its look but I empathise with how it is Lilydale. The vandals have a had a go and weeds are appearing but they seem to get back on top of it from time to time.  Good luck with the reopening and landscaping later.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Busy here on the Mernda Bell to Preston project. Parts of the station base structure are now in place and a weekend closure of Bell Street Preston  this weekend followed by several more rail shutdowns over Nov/December. A weekend of traffic chaos me thinks.

https://levelcrossings.vic.gov.au/media/publications/works-notice-bell-street-closure
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Woohoo- we're up to 49 removed after todays announcement of Lilydale and Mooroolbark reopening. With the Frankston line set to reopen on the 22nd and the one in Hoppers Crossing and North Williamstown to follow in December, that will round out the year at 55? or 54 ?

However after Mondays reopening of the Frankston line, it very soon goes back to long periods of bustitutions in the lead up to Xmas for other works up and down the line. The whole construction calendar across Vline services during the upcoming period is almost buses on 3-4 other lines. This all better be worth it in 2022 I hope.

EDIT: Looks like it's 54 with Frankston set open today, so will be 56 by end of year I think.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.

This appears to be a compromise between cost and location of the platforms. If the platforms were at ground level, they'd be a long way from their original position adjacent to the level crossing. If they remained adjacent to the former level crossings, they'd require a lot more excavation. By putting the platforms in half height excavations, they platforms are moved somewhat closer to the former level crossings without requiring too much excavation.

At Chelsea, the platforms are situated halfway between two grade separations, so the track drops under one, rises to the platform level, and then drops again under the other.

This approach does have a walkability problem. It's necessary to provide a footbridge across the line at each station (I wouldn't call it a concourse as it has no services). Lifts and stairs are provided on each side to provide access to the three levels (platform, street level, footbridge). (Chelsea has a serious walkability problem - not only do you have to go up and down to cross the platforms, but you then need to walk about 80 metres south of the entrance to get access to the pedestrian crossing across the Nepean. Just to make sure you don't take a short cut across the road there is a massive iron fence along the road edge.)
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.
historian

New approach lol, forgets about Bayswater station being a half depth station to compensate the stabling next to it. Although on one side Mountain highway raises to compensate the half depth, and then it does a dip and rise at Scoresby road.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.

New approach lol, forgets about Bayswater station being a half depth station to compensate the stabling next to it. Although on one side Mountain highway raises to compensate the half depth, and then it does a dip and rise at Scoresby road.
True Believers

Yep, had forgotten Bayswater.

But, as you note, the maintenance depot next to Bayswater imposed a massive constraint. There is no such constraint at any of these three stations, and they are very different in arrangement to any of the current program.
  historian Deputy Commissioner

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.

New approach lol, forgets about Bayswater station being a half depth station to compensate the stabling next to it. Although on one side Mountain highway raises to compensate the half depth, and then it does a dip and rise at Scoresby road.
True Believers

That's odd. My response has been hidden by the ranking system.

All I did was acknowledge that True Believers was correct, but did note that there were no similar constraints on these stations.
  Djebel Junior Train Controller

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.

New approach lol, forgets about Bayswater station being a half depth station to compensate the stabling next to it. Although on one side Mountain highway raises to compensate the half depth, and then it does a dip and rise at Scoresby road.

That's odd. My response has been hidden by the ranking system.

All I did was acknowledge that True Believers was correct, but did note that there were no similar constraints on these stations.
historian
You double posted.  Only the second post is hidden.
  True Believers Chief Commissioner

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations. Take Bonbeach as an example. Coming from Melbourne the track starts at ground level and then is lowered to the full depth of the excavation under the grade separation itself. The track then immediately rises until it is about 3 metres below ground level and enters the platform. The platform is, of course, level and straight. At the far end of the platform the track returns to ground level.

New approach lol, forgets about Bayswater station being a half depth station to compensate the stabling next to it. Although on one side Mountain highway raises to compensate the half depth, and then it does a dip and rise at Scoresby road.

Yep, had forgotten Bayswater.

But, as you note, the maintenance depot next to Bayswater imposed a massive constraint. There is no such constraint at any of these three stations, and they are very different in arrangement to any of the current program.
historian
It's just a different constraint, water table constraints were present at Bonbeach - Chelsea - Edithvale corridor, hence why this arrangement was adopted.
  Gauntlet Chief Commissioner

Location:
Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations...
historian
They also did this at Mentone - which is unfortunate because the new station is further away from the bus stop and the shops.
  Adogs Chief Train Controller

Had a quick look at Chelsea & Bonbeach & drove past Edithvale today.

Turns out they're a new approach to grade separation. The stations themselves are in half height excavations...
They also did this at Mentone - which is unfortunate because the new station is further away from the bus stop and the shops.
Gauntlet

I can't see how the relocation of the station has anything to do with its depth.  The reason they moved it was to do with wanting to keep the heritage station buildings.

But anyway - the new entrance is only maybe 40m down from the old one.  It's not much of a difference.
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Speaking of new stations and with the level crossings removed at both Mooroolbark and Lilydale, the trafficed congestion as far as I am concerned is now worse than ever, traffic is banked up at Manchester Rd roundabouts and further north coming from Chirnside Park, went thru Lilydale yesterday only to be greeted withtraffic form Victoria Rd right down into Lilydale, no difference whatsoever.  A total waste of time and money.
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Speaking of new stations and with the level crossings removed at both Mooroolbark and Lilydale, the trafficed congestion as far as I am concerned is now worse than ever, traffic is banked up at Manchester Rd roundabouts and further north coming from Chirnside Park, went thru Lilydale yesterday only to be greeted withtraffic form Victoria Rd right down into Lilydale, no difference whatsoever.  A total waste of time and money.
trainbrain
I fear the same here at Bell Street Preston. Traffic was already bad with the LX and a set of lights either side that already banked up at either the LX or lights. After it's done, the traffic will now be banked back still but under the rail line. In Reservoir, the road layout under the skyrail is exactly the same as before , so it still takes a while to get under it. It would have been a great moment to revamp the road crossing at the time, but when we asked at the forum pre - removal, it's always "that's not within the scope of the program". Fair enough but it's an opportunity lost and I feel 2 oval roundabouts would probably have solved it and even better if the station concourse was 50 metres further south, leaving room for a future tram interchange underneath. All that planning, for minimal gain other than the LX removal.

At Bell street, the great blockage is the road intersection of Bell Street/St Georges Road.  An east-west flyover of the road over St G road, would have helped enormously in conjunction with the LX removal. If anything, a follow up program ASAP. One for the LIBS to throw out as an election promise in 2022 (and then cancel)
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

Speaking of new stations and with the level crossings removed at both Mooroolbark and Lilydale, the trafficed congestion as far as I am concerned is now worse than ever, traffic is banked up at Manchester Rd roundabouts and further north coming from Chirnside Park, went thru Lilydale yesterday only to be greeted withtraffic form Victoria Rd right down into Lilydale, no difference whatsoever.  A total waste of time and money.
I fear the same here at Bell Street Preston. Traffic was already bad with the LX and a set of lights either side that already banked up at either the LX or lights. After it's done, the traffic will now be banked back still but under the rail line. In Reservoir, the road layout under the skyrail is exactly the same as before , so it still takes a while to get under it. It would have been a great moment to revamp the road crossing at the time, but when we asked at the forum pre - removal, it's always "that's not within the scope of the program". Fair enough but it's an opportunity lost and I feel 2 oval roundabouts would probably have solved it and even better if the station concourse was 50 metres further south, leaving room for a future tram interchange underneath. All that planning, for minimal gain other than the LX removal.

At Bell street, the great blockage is the road intersection of Bell Street/St Georges Road.  An east-west flyover of the road over St G road, would have helped enormously in conjunction with the LX removal. If anything, a follow up program ASAP. One for the LIBS to throw out as an election promise in 2022 (and then cancel)
Tii
I know that stretch of road, driving a coach along there, it is a shocker. But sometimes a charter I am driving, I am required to drive through here.
  John.Z Assistant Commissioner

Speaking of new stations and with the level crossings removed at both Mooroolbark and Lilydale, the trafficed congestion as far as I am concerned is now worse than ever, traffic is banked up at Manchester Rd roundabouts and further north coming from Chirnside Park, went thru Lilydale yesterday only to be greeted withtraffic form Victoria Rd right down into Lilydale, no difference whatsoever.  A total waste of time and money.
trainbrain
Level Crossings are removed so that train frequencies can be increased without making traffic worse, if the traffic is still bad after the crossing is removed, all it says is that that demand needs to be met in a more efficient manner (like for example, increasing bus frequency and coverage so that more people can use it for local trips).
  Valvegear Oliver Bullied, CME

Location: Richmond Vic
I know that stretch of road, driving a coach along there, it is a shocker.
"trainbrain"
How many horses are hauling your coach?
  BrentonGolding Chief Commissioner

Location: Maldon Junction
I know that stretch of road, driving a coach along there, it is a shocker.
How many horses are hauling your coach?
Valvegear
I was told by a driver that in modern parlance a Coach is a lot like a bus but with the addition of luggage storage underneath, onboard toilet and more comfy seats. For whatever it's worth
  Tii Junior Train Controller

Speaking of new stations and with the level crossings removed at both Mooroolbark and Lilydale, the trafficed congestion as far as I am concerned is now worse than ever, traffic is banked up at Manchester Rd roundabouts and further north coming from Chirnside Park, went thru Lilydale yesterday only to be greeted withtraffic form Victoria Rd right down into Lilydale, no difference whatsoever.  A total waste of time and money.
Level Crossings are removed so that train frequencies can be increased without making traffic worse, if the traffic is still bad after the crossing is removed, all it says is that that demand needs to be met in a more efficient manner (like for example, increasing bus frequency and coverage so that more people can use it for local trips).
Totally agree with increasing bus frequency and train frequency to provide a more comprehensive  PT service I can use as a local resident- it was a bad road area before the LX. So at least one problem will be removed but like rail infrastructure, the road infrastructure around Bell Street contributes to the problem in the area. It's a Vicroads/government issue now, but my regular dealings with them are about as inspiring with the issues I read about with V/line. Bell street was in the grand horror freeway plan of the 60s meant to be a freeway. I wouldn't want that but a road flyover of Bell over St Georges road is doable given the topography.
Roads aside though, bring on more LX work and PT
  trainbrain Chief Commissioner

I know that stretch of road, driving a coach along there, it is a shocker.
How many horses are hauling your coach?
Valvegear
enough to put the wind up you, and blow you away.

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