Qld looks to move coal trains off diesel

 
Topic moved from News by bevans on 16 Dec 2021 14:57
  bevans Site Admin

Location: Melbourne, Australia
Hydrogen power for freight in Queensland could mean lower costs or is this simply the need to be seen as greener?

Qld looks to move coal trains off diesel

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  apw5910 Chief Commissioner

Location: Location: Location.
Hydrogen power for freight in Queensland could mean lower costs or is this simply the need to be seen as greener?

Qld looks to move coal trains off diesel
bevans
What happened to the electrification plans?
  Graham4405 The Ghost of George Stephenson

Location: In exile
Hydrogen power for freight in Queensland could mean lower costs or is this simply the need to be seen as greener?

Qld looks to move coal trains off diesel
What happened to the electrification plans?
apw5910
They're looking to do this for non-electrified lines. I don't believe there have ever been any plans to electrify to Mt Isa for example.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Hydrogen power for freight in Queensland could mean lower costs or is this simply the need to be seen as greener?

Qld looks to move coal trains off diesel
What happened to the electrification plans?
apw5910

Aurizon's planned hydrogen fuelled locomotives are to be used on the non-electrified Moura and Mt Isa Lines. The Moura line is owned by Aurizon, the Mt Isa Line is owned by QR, and neither owners have planning in place to electrify the lines in question.

Additional information here...

https://www.aurizon.com.au/news/2021/aurizon-and-anglo-american-look-to-hydrogen-powered-trains-in-queensland
  freightgate Minister for Railways

Location: Albury, New South Wales
Would there be much involved in extending the overhead to Townsville ?
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

Would there be much involved in extending the overhead to Townsville ?
freightgate

Aurizon spent $170-million to electrify the 107km Rolleston line in 2014, that's $1.58-million per kilometre.

Rockhampton to Townsville on QR's North Coast Line is 702km, so the bill for the Queensland Government and QR would be somewhere near to or above $1.2-billion.
  petan Chief Commissioner

Location: Waiting to see a zebra using a zebra crossing!
Would there be much involved in extending the overhead to Townsville ?
freightgate
For the benefit of Freightgate and others not familiar with QLD distances and therefore overhead electrification costs, that 702km Rockhampton to Townsville as noted by Sulla, is much further that the 643 km Sydney to Albury.

EDIT; also for those not familiar with the 702km Rockhampton to Townsville sector, the only bit already with overhead is the relatively very short coastal line bit where the coalfield line from Coppabella / Moranbah region comes in south of Mackay on its way to the coal port. The rest from Rockhampton to that Mackay district coal field line and north of the coal port area, is without overhead. Thus a very costly job to add overhead 702km Rockhampton to Townsville sector,
  Expost Chief Commissioner

Theyre LOOKING at hydrogen. Its no foregone conclusion.
  Big J Deputy Commissioner

Location: In Paradise
Theyre LOOKING at hydrogen. Its no foregone conclusion.
Expost
I found it interesting that the quote said:
"This visibility study will provide further evidence that this is entirely possible," he said on Monday.

Is this new jargon? or is it a mix up with a feasibility study, as stated earlier in the statement?

Going to your point, at least they doing at future options.
  Sulla1 Chief Commissioner

In 2020 Aurizon committed to having battery and hydrogen locomotives testing by 2025 to meet its Zero Carbon 2050 target...so the clock is ticking to get some sort of prototype up and running. Feasibility/visibility studies aside, Aurizon has a supposedly fixed timeline to work to.

Meanwhile hydrogen-powered roadtrains are expected to be in operation around Townsville by December 2022, with the Sun Metals Refinery purchasing five primemovers to replace its diesel-powered vehicles.

Rail operators need to understand that whatever green credentials they trade under - with their current "lower than road" diesel emissions - will be quickly eroded by the road industry moving to alternative "green" fuels. In fact the rail industry may find itself the dirty transport alternative if it doesn't start responding to changing technologies.

https://www.railpage.com.au/news/s/aurizon-targets-net-zero-operational-emissions-by-2050

https://bigrigs.com.au/index.php/2021/11/08/canberra-backs-hydrogen-powered-road-trains-in-townsville/

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